Bananiot wrote:Kikapu, I disagree with you on this one. The meeting between Talat and Christofias and the outcome were very significant. Ex President Papadopoulos came out of his naphthalene to voice his strong concerns on what went on in the meeting (just like Kifeas and the rest of the forum rejectionists) because Christofias has taken the path towards the only solution possible. I think we should give credit where is due and Papadopoulos was quite analytical when I saw him on tv. If I were him I would be worried stiff too and believe me he is. Christofias has reiterated his support for BBF with two politically equal communities and it became clear that very soon we will see a clash between AKEL and DISI on one hand and the rejectionists on the other. This will eventually clear the air and perhaps for the first time we can expect people to speak out their mind in clear terms dropping the populist act. In other words, two philosophies on the kind of solution we want will clash and may the best one win!
P.S. Pantheman thinks I threatened him and this brought the beast out of him. He also thinks that the word "Turk" is a dirty word and uses it to describe anyone he deslikes. This is typical of all fascist Greek Cypriots and we hear this quite often used in the streets by the layman. I am sure, a face to face meeting with this person will soften him and perhaps make a civilised person out of him. Forgot to mention, I have met almost all the people of the forum and no sticks were needed, even when I met Kifeas.
Bananiot, the first thing I want to criticize, is your attempt to associate my negative reaction to Friday meeting's outcome with that of Papadopoulos or anyone else! This because my reaction on this forum came way earlier than any other reaction by anyone else from the political spectrum of this country, and this is clear if you check the posting time of it on Friday afternoon, vs. the comments aired on TV later in the night and yesterday. Secondly, my negative reaction on this forum was far mote analytical, explanatory and substantiated, than most of the other negative reactions we heard of from those you are referring to, including that of Papadopoulos on TV and whose comments I have personally not been able yet to fully understand! Therefore, to associate my views with anyone else’s, or that I take line from any sort of "rejectionists," as you call them, is rather ingenuine and misleading.
Thirdly, I personally offered an alternative second perspective to the meeting's communiqué, which was still more analytical and substantiated than most of those we later heard on TV, on behalf of those seeking to defend the other (“positive”) view. I personally wish to maintain the hope that Christofias is having in mind what I suspect he may have, that is why he had chosen to take this path to accept the disputed phrasing in his joined communiqué with Talat! Otherwise, we have to accept that we are faced with an outrageous case of incompetency!
Forth, you mislead by saying that Papadopoulos is worried just because, as you say, "Christofias has reiterated his support for BBF with two politically equal communities!" It was first Papadopoulos, with the "8th of July" agreement, that accepted this notion, and therefore this was not his source of worry! It is what came afterwards in the communiqué that worries him, simply because it left the space wide open for the Turkish side to rightfully interpret it in whichever way it pleases, including the claim that Christofias has accepted a confederative type of solution founded as a partnership between (constituted by) two separate, already "existing" and ethnically based "constituent states, via their infamous "virgin-birth" conception! Of course this can be disputed, and I was the first to almost ruin such an assumption, in this thread!
As I said, I only hope Christofias indeed has in mind what I suspect he may do, and is not just sheer incompetence on his and Iacovou's behalf! If the second is true, then we are well into partition; simply because such a solution idea as the Turkish side seems to imagine it, cannot ever pass from the GC public -and rightfully so because it is worst than partition even with the same territorial arrangement, but with all the responsibility loaded on the GC side's shoulders for the non-solution!
