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Christofias gave in!

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Postby Piratis » Sat May 24, 2008 4:43 pm

Bananiot wrote:For a start, I would like to point out to oracle that she can rest assure I am not one bit interested in what there is between her ... lines. Also, I wish she would stop taking the cue from others and jump into debates expecting us to pay special attention to her and above all read between her lines. It is getting rather tedious. For every one.

One needs to have a certain amount of political culture in order to understand, first the need for the meeting between the two leaders and secondly the fine technicalities the joined communiqué negotiated. One such person would have understood first that the meeting became a necessity in order to prevent the worse, that is, the slow down in the Working Groups and the Technical Committees. The two leaders stepped in in order to save the process which started last month and this by itself shows that both are genuine about finding a solution.

Then, both showed courage in not insisting on certain vocal slogans that were heard over the last period. Talat in effect put an end to the virgin birth talk. This was good for the Greek side and people that are really interested in solution appreciated this move by Talat. Christofias, unlike his present day supporters in government (DIKO, EDEK) did not mince his words either. His two partners in government would have been more than happy to see the end of the current effort, but Christofias had the interest of the process in mind and was quite happy to meet Talat again on the day Talat had asked for face to face negotiations of the two leaders to begin. This is something that we have not been seeing in the past and the emphasis was not on scoring points but on tackling pressing issues. So, depending on your prospective, you either like what you see or you see weak presidents in front of you who are selling your country because of their acemilikki.

The business about “component” and “constituent” underlines the almost totally legalistic view we have of a serious, political problem. This is because we have been bogged down for many decades by incompetent lawyers who would be looking for a hard to find job when the Cyprob is history. This applies to both, Greek and Turkish side.

P.S. Pantheman: I know now exactly who you are and I would be more that interested to hear you face to face.


Bananiot, on one hand you talk about "tyrany of the words" and call some terms as legalistic things that do not matter, and at the same time all you have to give in support of what you believe is empty words like "reunification" when in practice what you support is the worst kind of partition.

What reunifications means is one Cyprus with no borders, where all Cypriots are equal citizens without racist discriminations and are free to settle anywhere in their country that they want to with full political rights.

What happened in germany is called reunification. What you are trying to apply to Cyprus is partition in practice.

Bananiot knows only too well that the alternative to a BBF is not a clean partition along 82-18 % of land,but the preservation of the status quo at best and the annexation of 38% of Cyprus by Turkey at worst...


In that scale the Annan plan would be the "very worst".

In the first two cases we would not sign away our lands, and we would be able to defend ourselves by having our international voice and our veto rights in EU. Our economy would not collapse either.

With something like Annan plan, not only we would again have partition in practice, but that partition would be legal, meaning that our chances of getting back our lands would be even less, and also we would lose our international voice which is the only thing we have to defend ourselves from Turkey. Not only that but our economy would totally collapse as well.
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Postby Get Real! » Sat May 24, 2008 4:47 pm

BirKibrisli wrote:The indisputable truth of the matter is if the solution of Cyprob depended on Bananiot and myself,we would come up with something that would come close to the ideal solution for all Cypriots...

You give yourselves too much credit! It’s obvious that neither of you have a clear understanding of the EXACT CULPRIT of the Cyprus tragedy, and therefore have NO PLAN to prevent it from reoccurring. If you have not even managed to identify the Cyprus problem how can you stop it from ever happening again?

Under a political arrangement that establishes a clear “Turkish Cypriot Zone” it would be child’s play for the enemies of Cyprus to trigger a hostile environment to encourage a breakaway and thus partition. Under a political arrangement such as a BBF that you and Bananiot support, it would take Turkey a SINGLE $20 explosion in the right place and at the right time to start the Cyprus tragedy once again, yet you are both oblivious to such obvious dangers and have no answers for them.

Finally, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that those that do NOT express the desire to see Cyprus governed by a modern DEMOCRACY (the well known and proven near-panacea) under the EU, cannot be trusted for they have concealed motives.
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Postby miltiades » Sat May 24, 2008 4:48 pm

Oracle wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:...The indisputable truth of the matter is if the solution of Cyprob depended on Bananiot and myself,we would come up with something that would come close to the ideal solution for all Cypriots...
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What sheer arrogance you possess Birkibrisli and without a wink or smiley to mitigate! :wink: Admirable gal or blind faith in ones suitability; I cannot fathom.

Reading between the lines (a task defeating some :lol: ) I guess behind every post, lurks a virtual politician.

But some have moved beyond the realms of discussing ideas and proposals, and have appointed themselves as our Dictators ...

Carry on huffing and puffing, gentlemen! :roll:

I think Bir is right , he is a moderate and a realist and so is Bananiot.Neither has expressed even one iota of hatred against the opposite site . I think that if we all shared their determination for a peaceful solution based on mutual respect of each others concerns the Cyprob would have been solved .
Especially for Oracle here is a smiley and a wink as well !!
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Postby Oracle » Sat May 24, 2008 4:51 pm

Bananiot wrote:For a start, I would like to point out to oracle that she can rest assure I am not one bit interested in what there is between her ... lines. Also, I wish she would stop taking the cue from others and jump into debates expecting us to pay special attention to her and above all read between her lines. It is getting rather tedious. For every one.


You are suffering from the same condition as CopperLine. You wish to ignore me; you think you will gain more importance from the big guys by ignoring me; but you can't help sneaking a look :lol:

Relax! You can look, but not act upon it. I do not need the reassurance of a reply. I am here for my own amusement. :wink:

Besides, I wasn't even trying to gain your attention ..... :roll:

Anyway, carry on with your banter, I don't want to hold you up from thinking about your next post, as I love reading all the replies which destroy your arguments so effectively.... :lol:
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Postby Get Real! » Sat May 24, 2008 4:56 pm

Anyone who is NOT a Cypriot Nationalist can only possibly be a Nationalist of some foreign entity… make no mistake.
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Postby repulsewarrior » Sat May 24, 2008 4:57 pm

enclaves solves the threat of a Turkish invasion because there is no border, but many frontiers. It allows for free movement and association, and it allows for the diversity of each society, giving citizens an opportunity to be close to the land "under their feet" which they will develop to have its own distinction.
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Postby Oracle » Sat May 24, 2008 5:19 pm

True!
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Postby miltiades » Sat May 24, 2008 5:36 pm

Get Real! wrote:Anyone who is NOT a Cypriot Nationalist can only possibly be a Nationalist of some foreign entity… make no mistake.

Here in the UK we could then apply the same logic , IF YOU ARE NOT A MEMBER OF THE BRITISH NATIONALIST PARTY THEN ........
Why didn't I think about it from this angle :roll:
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Postby Get Real! » Sat May 24, 2008 6:20 pm

miltiades wrote:
Get Real! wrote:Anyone who is NOT a Cypriot Nationalist can only possibly be a Nationalist of some foreign entity… make no mistake.

Here in the UK we could then apply the same logic , IF YOU ARE NOT A MEMBER OF THE BRITISH NATIONALIST PARTY THEN ........
Why didn't I think about it from this angle :roll:

England is currently free, at peace, and has a strong enough military to keep it that way for a long time, so the British can afford to be off their guard and just get on with life but I can't say the same for Cyprus unfortunately.

Cyprus continues to be divided along a ceasefire line and 37% of her territory is under Turkish occupation so to compare the two scenarios is as daft as you trying to contemplate it.
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Postby pantheman » Sat May 24, 2008 6:51 pm

Bananiot wrote:
P.S. Pantheman: I know now exactly who you are and I would be more that interested to hear you face to face.


Banaiot,

I am happy that you do. I have no fear from threats from you or anyone else, I am big enough and hard enough to take care of myself. If you think you want to make an issue of it feel free to come get me, since you know EXACTLY who I am. I make no secret and if you want I will even give you directions.

You think my threatening me here I was going to pee my pants? Wrong again pal. You have to do better than that.
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