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Postby Paphitis » Fri May 23, 2008 5:20 pm

Kifeas wrote:Christofias gave in!

Today it should be marked as a dark day in the annals of the Greek Cypriot community! Christofias, knowingly or unknowingly - intentionally or unintentionally, has given in to the Turkish demands for the dissolution of the RoC and the via “virgin-birth” establishment of a new entity which will be based on the partnership of two separate and ethnically based and owned entities! Not only he gave up the sovereignty of the RoC, by recognizing sovereignty to the “TRNC,” as a constituent partner of the new “federal” entity, but he also gave up the RoC as an entity -in its entireness, and accepted its devaluation to a Greek Cypriot constituent state!
The following line in the joined communiqué, after today’s meeting between Christofias and Talat, will be proved detrimental to the future of re-unification of Cyprus, and to the historical rights of the Greek Cypriot community in the northern part of our country! It is a disaster! No matter what will be said about this meeting and the joined communiqué, the damage is tremendous, and history will prove me right! I have no hope to any re-reunification solution! Unfortunately my fears about Christofias are proved to have been justified! He has proven himself inferior to his undertaken position and role!

``They reaffirmed their commitment for a bizonal bicommunal federation with political equality, as defined by relevant Security Council resolutions. This partnership will have a federal government with a single international personality, as well as a Turkish Cypriot constituent state and a Greek Cypriot constituent state which will be of equal status,``

http://www.cna.org.cy/website/english/a ... 2.asp?id=1


Christofias did not "bother" securing that this "partnership" will be on the basis of the two communities, as such, instead of the two states! He further did not "bother" securing that this "partnership" is not an entirely new partnership but a re-development of the existing 1960 bi-communal RoC partnership! He did not bother seeking a definition of what the adjectives "Turkish Cypriot" and "Greek Cypriot" states should imply, living in this way the cultural and political rights of the members of the Greek Cypriot in the north under jeopardy and potential eradication! He even accepted the use of the term "constituent" states, instead of "component" states; allowing in this way the Turkish side to claim and insist that the two states will be the constituents (will constitute) the central government, instead of being mere components of a one and single federal nation-state! He accepted the same philosophy of the rejected by the 76% of the GCs Anan plan 5! What a shame!

PS: And before some idiots will tell me that I did not comment on the closure for a “single international personality,” I say before hand that this is nonsense! It means nothing! It is just like saying that the EU has a one single international personality, or that the UN as an organization has one single international personality! It is meaningless, because if under the veil of this “single international personality,” two separate entities may function and regulate the everyday life of the people (citizens) of this country in separatist and apartheid ways, and under prejudicing constitutions and laws (as the case seems to be,) this is what counts to the individual citizens, and not if the international personality of such a monstrosity will be single or multiple!


Please read the allegation in bold.

I am not convinced that Pres X has done such a thing, but if he has then the implications are severe. Thank heavens that no matter what, any proposals will proceed to a referendum where the people can have their say just like they did in 2004.
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Postby Simon » Fri May 23, 2008 5:24 pm

I agree with Kifeas. The statement below is close to a disaster for GCs.

[quote]This partnership will have a federal government with a single international personality, as well as a Turkish Cypriot constituent state and a Greek Cypriot constituent state which will be of equal status[/quote]


This is basically the Annan Plan. There is a clear shift here and I don't like it. I would prefer partition to the Annan Plan!
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Re: Christofias gave in!

Postby Oracle » Fri May 23, 2008 5:26 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Kifeas wrote:Christofias gave in!

Today it should be marked as a dark day in the annals of the Greek Cypriot community! Christofias, knowingly or unknowingly - intentionally or unintentionally, has given in to the Turkish demands for the dissolution of the RoC and the via “virgin-birth” establishment of a new entity which will be based on the partnership of two separate and ethnically based and owned entities! Not only he gave up the sovereignty of the RoC, by recognizing sovereignty to the “TRNC,” as a constituent partner of the new “federal” entity, but he also gave up the RoC as an entity -in its entireness, and accepted its devaluation to a Greek Cypriot constituent state!
The following line in the joined communiqué, after today’s meeting between Christofias and Talat, will be proved detrimental to the future of re-unification of Cyprus, and to the historical rights of the Greek Cypriot community in the northern part of our country! It is a disaster! No matter what will be said about this meeting and the joined communiqué, the damage is tremendous, and history will prove me right! I have no hope to any re-reunification solution! Unfortunately my fears about Christofias are proved to have been justified! He has proven himself inferior to his undertaken position and role!

``They reaffirmed their commitment for a bizonal bicommunal federation with political equality, as defined by relevant Security Council resolutions. This partnership will have a federal government with a single international personality, as well as a Turkish Cypriot constituent state and a Greek Cypriot constituent state which will be of equal status,``

http://www.cna.org.cy/website/english/a ... 2.asp?id=1


Christofias did not "bother" securing that this "partnership" will be on the basis of the two communities, as such, instead of the two states! He further did not "bother" securing that this "partnership" is not an entirely new partnership but a re-development of the existing 1960 bi-communal RoC partnership! He did not bother seeking a definition of what the adjectives "Turkish Cypriot" and "Greek Cypriot" states should imply, living in this way the cultural and political rights of the members of the Greek Cypriot in the north under jeopardy and potential eradication! He even accepted the use of the term "constituent" states, instead of "component" states; allowing in this way the Turkish side to claim and insist that the two states will be the constituents (will constitute) the central government, instead of being mere components of a one and single federal nation-state! He accepted the same philosophy of the rejected by the 76% of the GCs Anan plan 5! What a shame!

PS: And before some idiots will tell me that I did not comment on the closure for a “single international personality,” I say before hand that this is nonsense! It means nothing! It is just like saying that the EU has a one single international personality, or that the UN as an organization has one single international personality! It is meaningless, because if under the veil of this “single international personality,” two separate entities may function and regulate the everyday life of the people (citizens) of this country in separatist and apartheid ways, and under prejudicing constitutions and laws (as the case seems to be,) this is what counts to the individual citizens, and not if the international personality of such a monstrosity will be single or multiple!


Please read the allegation in bold.

I am not convinced that Pres X has done such a thing, but if he has then the implications are severe. Thank heavens that no matter what, any proposals will proceed to a referendum where the people can have their say just like they did in 2004.


OK ... Now I get it ... you are confusing Kifeas with DT. ... (same avatar).

Well I wanted Kifeas to clarify that very same statement.
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Postby Paphitis » Fri May 23, 2008 5:29 pm

:oops:

Sorry about the confusion.
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Postby Oracle » Fri May 23, 2008 5:34 pm

Paphitis wrote::oops:

Sorry about the confusion.


Be extra careful now because Simon is on the scene and he has a similar avatar also .... :lol:
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Postby Paphitis » Fri May 23, 2008 5:38 pm

Simon wrote:I agree with Kifeas. The statement below is close to a disaster for GCs.

This partnership will have a federal government with a single international personality, as well as a Turkish Cypriot constituent state and a Greek Cypriot constituent state which will be of equal status



This is basically the Annan Plan. There is a clear shift here and I don't like it. I would prefer partition to the Annan Plan!


DT Err.. Kifeas errr.. I mean Simon,

If X has agreed to that, then it is sad day. But I do not believe it has much of a chance of being passed at the referendum.

Geez..... got that in the nick of time. :lol:
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Postby repulsewarrior » Fri May 23, 2008 5:58 pm

...read my Manifesto...

a strong central government as our State to protect us as Individuals, and another level of Government (two (or three) National Assemblies) to represent us in our internal affairs as Persons: Bicommunal

enclaves, for the redistribution of land and population, over the whole island, which define the National Assemblies' jurisdiction: Bizonal
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Postby Simon » Fri May 23, 2008 6:08 pm

I do not think that we can afford to reject another referendum if the TCs say yes again.

There is a danger that after we reject another proposed solution, the international community will say enough is enough and the realities on the island must now be accepted, hence the recognition of the "TRNC". They recognised Kosovo, so if we are seen to be the bad guys again in a referendum, I believe the US, followed by Britain etc would probably recognise the "TRNC". They would possibly spin it by arguing that no solution can ever be agreed as the sides are simply too far apart, and hence the realities on the island must be recognised as TCs cannot be in isolation forever. This is just my opinion, but you must accept that there is a danger of this happening. Therefore, we cannot really afford to reject another referendum.

The truth is Cyprus will never be truly unified, unless a dramatic change occurs in the balance of power.
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Postby Oracle » Fri May 23, 2008 6:14 pm

The statement was:
A joint statement, read out to the media by the UN Secretary General’s Special Representative to Cyprus Taye-Brook Zerihoun,


I am going to wait to hear what our President has to say before I jump to any conclusions ...

Besides they are obviously examining matters that were discussed so nothing could have been finalised.
The statement adds that ``they instructed their representatives to examine, within 15 days, the results of the technical committees.``


And best of all ... A NEW ASSESSMENT .... is being branded.

It concludes that ``the leaders decided to come together again in the second half of June to make a new assessment.``
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Postby Oracle » Fri May 23, 2008 6:50 pm

Yesterday he said this meeting was to create conditions for direct negotiations soon ... again just stalling tactics.

LGR wrote:President Christofias said he hopes tomorrow’s meeting with Talat will be a friendly and a successful political encounter, creating the preconditions for success to start the soonest possible direct negotiations.


Which working groups / technical committees was the statement about? ..... the chap did not make himself clear except to suggest he was only referring to the results of the " technical committees" ... which are not the same as the more relevant "working groups" ....

LGR wrote:The working groups are discussing governance and power sharing, EU matters, security and guarantees, territory, property and economic matters. The technical committees are discussing crime and criminal matters, economic and commercial matters, cultural heritage, crisis management, humanitarian and health matters and the environment.


I still think we need to hear it from our President .....
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