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[repulsewarrior]

perfect for an enclave, no?

(organise the development of the land as an island, repopulating, allowing homes for Settlers not houses, and retribution for the displaced, as communities.)

[repulsewarrior]

...how many enclaves would Cyprus need to secure a population three (and more) times the size?

With Basic Human Rights and the Rule of Law, is it not possible sometime in the long term for each National Assembly to create within their Jurisdictional Territory more distinctions to their society by adding to their geography a wider array of enclaves where self representation will support the population as persons.

A Unitary State with a Principal of Bicommunality is interesting to me, because as an Individual my Rights are defended, and as a People we are Sovereign in our representation. While as a Person I can sustain an identity with its National distinction in service to this State. ...(What about the Maronites, for example?)

enclaves secure that there will be no borders, only frontiers.

[Bill]

Still no answer then from anybody regarding houses recently built on Tc land.

What 's going to happen to the young couples who have spent so much money building their dream homes.

Will the government offer compensation to the TC land owner ~ will the TC land owner accept compensation .

If he says no he wants his land back what happens then .

I must admit there's some very fine houses built in this particular area ~ I'm particularly interested in one that's using the steel frame construction method and have been following it's build for a few months now ( I visited again today ) and it's nearing completion .

This is a serious question and I would have hoped someone would be gracious enough to give me a reasonable answer.

Bill

[Sotos]

Turks forced us out of our homes so they can have the partition they wanted. They are 18% and they took 36% and we had to live in the rest. You wanted us to live in tents Bill? Who is responsible is Turkey and they have to pay compensations to everybody harmed as the ECHR said for the Loizidou case! Why should we suffer even more because Turks wanted partition and they stole our homes? We will make our best with what we are left with until they give us back north Cyprus and pay us compensations for all these years that they illegally occupied Cyprus!

[Bill]

Turks forced us out of our homes so they can have the partition they wanted. They are 18% and they took 36% and we had to live in the rest. You wanted us to live in tents Bill? Who is responsible is Turkey and they have to pay compensations to everybody harmed as the ECHR said for the Loizidou case! Why should we suffer even more because Turks wanted partition and they stole our homes? We will make our best with what we are left with until they give us back north Cyprus and pay us compensations for all these years that they illegally occupied Cyprus!

I have no problem with Turkish land being requisitioned for refugee housing and I'm fully aware that a lot of refugees were in fact housed in tents until suitable housing could be found/built .
The ROC did a marvelous job in what I can only describe as a mammoth task at the time.

As I said in my post I can understand / appreciate refugee houses still being built well into the eighties but not so recently as now at this moment ~ after all it was the ROC that stated that TC land would be held in trust until a solution is found.

I still think the whole situation is just one big mess and if there's a solution it's going to take many years to sort out the problem of who owns what and for that matter how much it's worth if they can't get it back.

Anyway back to these young couples who have built on Turkish Cypriot land ~ any idea's what will happen to them if there's a solution ~ they have taken a huge risk ~ possibly due to thinking there will never be a solution ~ and to be honest they are probably right.

Bill

[repulsewarrior]

...I doubt they are right, but there will always be buyers at resale in a marketplace where there is competition. They will be paid a fair price taking into consideration what is available as housing stock. The problem for them will be limited unless a solution is found, in relative terms, quickly. The risk is the same. People who seek this kind of "discount" will in the end have something that is worth less than a home built on land with a clear title.

on another subject, is Cyprus earthquake prone? If so, a steel structure is not necessarily a good idea, requiring sophisticated engineering to make them safe in these conditions...

[Sotos]

Turks forced us out of our homes so they can have the partition they wanted. They are 18% and they took 36% and we had to live in the rest. You wanted us to live in tents Bill? Who is responsible is Turkey and they have to pay compensations to everybody harmed as the ECHR said for the Loizidou case! Why should we suffer even more because Turks wanted partition and they stole our homes? We will make our best with what we are left with until they give us back north Cyprus and pay us compensations for all these years that they illegally occupied Cyprus!

I have no problem with Turkish land being requisitioned for refugee housing and I'm fully aware that a lot of refugees were in fact housed in tents until suitable housing could be found/built .
The ROC did a marvelous job in what I can only describe as a mammoth task at the time.

As I said in my post I can understand / appreciate refugee houses still being built well into the eighties but not so recently as now at this moment ~ after all it was the ROC that stated that TC land would be held in trust until a solution is found.

I still think the whole situation is just one big mess and if there's a solution it's going to take many years to sort out the problem of who owns what and for that matter how much it's worth if they can't get it back.

Anyway back to these young couples who have built on Turkish Cypriot land ~ any idea's what will happen to them if there's a solution ~ they have taken a huge risk ~ possibly due to thinking there will never be a solution ~ and to be honest they are probably right.

Bill

What changed since the 80s? The Turks still keep our lands. We have a lot of land in the occupied areas not just one plot. Do you think one refugee house they gave to the parents should be enough? What should the children do? Stay with their parents in that same house for ever?! We take no risk because everything we do is legal. The Turks are doing the illegalities and they are responsible for all these!

[Sega]

i'm not sure your 90% is correct. what about the % of foreign owned land pre 74. not all property in the north is greek cypriot owned. there is nothing illegal about buying a pre 74 turkish owned property. The orams case has now been transfered to the e.u courts. greek cypriots are not the legitimate owners of all the property in the north.

Most of the property anyway.

[Bill]

What changed since the 80s? The Turks still keep our lands. We have a lot of land in the occupied areas not just one plot. Do you think one refugee house they gave to the parents should be enough? What should the children do? Stay with their parents in that same house for ever?! We take no risk because everything we do is legal. The Turks are doing the illegalities and they are responsible for all these!

Sorry ~ two wrongs don't make it right .

The GC's made a promise that except for essential building work ie the airport and major road works which would have been requisitioned whether there was a Cyprus problem or not TC land and properties would remain in trust until a solution .

Are you saying that these young couples will give up their homes if there's a solution and return to the north ~ to start all over again .

Bill

[repulsewarrior]

Bill, deeds, or shall I say clear title is unchanged as legislation. yes there will be reciprocity, since youv'e raised the point, it is likely that the government chooses to put itself in a position where in this case some negociations will arise from the question of ownership. it implies that there is land in the north which will not be recoverable, and as such the same will be suffered by some in the south. although we are making a lot of assumptions, since the title of this land (the particular example) is not directly known to us.