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[Piratis]

Had I never met you Bananiot, I’d wager that you’re a British female who got dumped by a GC boyfriend…

He has more wisdom in his little finger than you have in your whole body, what you do not realize that if there were more like Bananiot the TCs would be happy to live a unitary state but because the majority of Gcs are like you and your motley crew we need plenty of safeguards to tell you what you can and cannot do in a BBF.

The kind of Bananiot is the kind that never dares to oppose the powerful, the perfect slave and colonial subject.

After many centuries of foreign rulers Greek Cypriots managed to survive on this island exactly because most of us are not like Bananiot. If we were like Bananiot then during the Ottoman rule we would all became Muslims in order to pay less taxes.

Seriously, what would you expect a Bananiot of 1600, when the Ottoman empire was at its most powerful level, to suggest to his fellow Cypriots to do? If all Greeks were like Bananiot there would be no Cypriots, no Greeks and no Greece today.

[halil]

The vast majority of Cypriots supported union with Greece and EOKA, and that is a very simple fact.

He means GC's wanted Enosis .

What will happen than TC's was aginst the Enosis .

it doesn't make sense as long as there was a Enosis idea . Somehow they should clush .There was no way . playing with words are very good but realities are here and real .No one can find excuse . who was trigger first or other . İt is not simple as that .
results are here today .

[Nikitas]

Bananiot said:

"As a result we paid a massive price for our incompetence and in the process waved the dream of enosis goodbye. For ever!"

Well, you can say that the situation in north Cyprus is a version of Enosis.

And ultimately the south has one last arrow in its quiver, which is union with Greece should the situation demand it. So the idea is not lost forever.

The problem is not Enosis or not, the problem is whether we take ourselves seriously as a STATE. We never did. Both communities regarded an independent Cyprus as a bit of a joke and looked to the two motherlands for inspiration. Since 1974 the GC side has matured, when it realised that the motherland had a totally different interpretation of Enosis than was in the minds of GCs. The TCs are still in a time warp convinced that without the deadly embrace of Turkey they cannot exist.

[Oracle]

Bananiot said:

"As a result we paid a massive price for our incompetence and in the process waved the dream of enosis goodbye. For ever!"

Well, you can say that the situation in north Cyprus is a version of Enosis.

And ultimately the south has one last arrow in its quiver, which is union with Greece should the situation demand it. So the idea is not lost forever.

The problem is not Enosis or not, the problem is whether we take ourselves seriously as a STATE. We never did. Both communities regarded an independent Cyprus as a bit of a joke and looked to the two motherlands for inspiration. Since 1974 the GC side has matured, when it realised that the motherland had a totally different interpretation of Enosis than was in the minds of GCs. The TCs are still in a time warp convinced that without the deadly embrace of Turkey they cannot exist.

We never took ourselves seriously, and consequently nor did others, precisely because we never had full self-determination.

When Makarios tried to address that and lead us towards fuller self-determination, he was thwarted, and the TCs ran in to the arms of Turkey ... the ultimate "back to the womb" ... where they have stayed ever since, as far removed from self-determination as possible.

TCs and GCs clearly want different solutions .....

[observer]

Bananiot said:

"As a result we paid a massive price for our incompetence and in the process waved the dream of enosis goodbye. For ever!"

Well, you can say that the situation in north Cyprus is a version of Enosis.

And ultimately the south has one last arrow in its quiver, which is union with Greece should the situation demand it. So the idea is not lost forever.

The problem is not Enosis or not, the problem is whether we take ourselves seriously as a STATE. We never did. Both communities regarded an independent Cyprus as a bit of a joke and looked to the two motherlands for inspiration. Since 1974 the GC side has matured, when it realised that the motherland had a totally different interpretation of Enosis than was in the minds of GCs. The TCs are still in a time warp convinced that without the deadly embrace of Turkey they cannot exist.

We never took ourselves seriously, and consequently nor did others, precisely because we never had full self-determination.

When Makarios tried to address that and lead us towards fuller self-determination, he was thwarted, and the TCs ran in to the arms of Turkey ... the ultimate "back to the womb" ... where they have stayed ever since, as far removed from self-determination as possible.

TCs and GCs clearly want different solutions .....

Er ... not quite. When Makarios tried to steer towards self determination the GCs staged a coup and he had to be resued by a British helicopter and flee Cyprus.

[Viewpoint]

Had I never met you Bananiot, I’d wager that you’re a British female who got dumped by a GC boyfriend…

He has more wisdom in his little finger than you have in your whole body, what you do not realize that if there were more like Bananiot the TCs would be happy to live a unitary state but because the majority of Gcs are like you and your motley crew we need plenty of safeguards to tell you what you can and cannot do in a BBF.

The kind of Bananiot is the kind that never dares to oppose the powerful, the perfect slave and colonial subject.

After many centuries of foreign rulers Greek Cypriots managed to survive on this island exactly because most of us are not like Bananiot. If we were like Bananiot then during the Ottoman rule we would all became Muslims in order to pay less taxes.

Seriously, what would you expect a Bananiot of 1600, when the Ottoman empire was at its most powerful level, to suggest to his fellow Cypriots to do? If all Greeks were like Bananiot there would be no Cypriots, no Greeks and no Greece today.

Piratis you could never know the difference because you do not have the depth and understanding that Bananiot displays, you are narrow minded and do not see things what they really are, you speak of black and white text book democracies and human rights when in reality the world is full of many different colours and are rarely text book word for word.

He is someone I would not have any problems allowing to rule a unitary state, but you on the other hand I want safeguards and guarantees that you will abide by the rules and not stab me in the back, there is a hugh difference and unless you can see this you will be going around in circles for as long as you live without a solution waiting for a swing in power.

[Oracle]

Bananiot said:

"As a result we paid a massive price for our incompetence and in the process waved the dream of enosis goodbye. For ever!"

Well, you can say that the situation in north Cyprus is a version of Enosis.

And ultimately the south has one last arrow in its quiver, which is union with Greece should the situation demand it. So the idea is not lost forever.

The problem is not Enosis or not, the problem is whether we take ourselves seriously as a STATE. We never did. Both communities regarded an independent Cyprus as a bit of a joke and looked to the two motherlands for inspiration. Since 1974 the GC side has matured, when it realised that the motherland had a totally different interpretation of Enosis than was in the minds of GCs. The TCs are still in a time warp convinced that without the deadly embrace of Turkey they cannot exist.

We never took ourselves seriously, and consequently nor did others, precisely because we never had full self-determination.

When Makarios tried to address that and lead us towards fuller self-determination, he was thwarted, and the TCs ran in to the arms of Turkey ... the ultimate "back to the womb" ... where they have stayed ever since, as far removed from self-determination as possible.

TCs and GCs clearly want different solutions .....

Er ... not quite. When Makarios tried to steer towards self determination the GCs staged a coup and he had to be resued by a British helicopter and flee Cyprus.

When did the GCs stage a"coup" observer ? ... do enlighten me on that new version of the old chestnut ...

You will find that somewhere in-between, were revealed the outright plans for partition of the island by Turkey and perhaps this "Junta-inspired-coup" was a pre-emptive strike to that!

[Piratis]

Had I never met you Bananiot, I’d wager that you’re a British female who got dumped by a GC boyfriend…

He has more wisdom in his little finger than you have in your whole body, what you do not realize that if there were more like Bananiot the TCs would be happy to live a unitary state but because the majority of Gcs are like you and your motley crew we need plenty of safeguards to tell you what you can and cannot do in a BBF.

The kind of Bananiot is the kind that never dares to oppose the powerful, the perfect slave and colonial subject.

After many centuries of foreign rulers Greek Cypriots managed to survive on this island exactly because most of us are not like Bananiot. If we were like Bananiot then during the Ottoman rule we would all became Muslims in order to pay less taxes.

Seriously, what would you expect a Bananiot of 1600, when the Ottoman empire was at its most powerful level, to suggest to his fellow Cypriots to do? If all Greeks were like Bananiot there would be no Cypriots, no Greeks and no Greece today.

Piratis you could never know the difference because you do not have the depth and understanding that Bananiot displays, you are narrow minded and do not see things what they really are, you speak of black and white text book democracies and human rights when in reality the world is full of many different colours and are rarely text book word for word.

He is someone I would not have any problems allowing to rule a unitary state, but you on the other hand I want safeguards and guarantees that you will abide by the rules and not stab me in the back, there is a hugh difference and unless you can see this you will be going around in circles for as long as you live without a solution waiting for a swing in power.

No mate, what you want to impose in Cyprus is no shade of Democracy, it is simply undemocratic. And of course you would prefer Bananiot, firstly because you could impose on him whatever you wanted, and secondly because he would never rebel to fight for his rights.

[Viewpoint]

Had I never met you Bananiot, I’d wager that you’re a British female who got dumped by a GC boyfriend…

He has more wisdom in his little finger than you have in your whole body, what you do not realize that if there were more like Bananiot the TCs would be happy to live a unitary state but because the majority of Gcs are like you and your motley crew we need plenty of safeguards to tell you what you can and cannot do in a BBF.

The kind of Bananiot is the kind that never dares to oppose the powerful, the perfect slave and colonial subject.

After many centuries of foreign rulers Greek Cypriots managed to survive on this island exactly because most of us are not like Bananiot. If we were like Bananiot then during the Ottoman rule we would all became Muslims in order to pay less taxes.

Seriously, what would you expect a Bananiot of 1600, when the Ottoman empire was at its most powerful level, to suggest to his fellow Cypriots to do? If all Greeks were like Bananiot there would be no Cypriots, no Greeks and no Greece today.

Piratis you could never know the difference because you do not have the depth and understanding that Bananiot displays, you are narrow minded and do not see things what they really are, you speak of black and white text book democracies and human rights when in reality the world is full of many different colours and are rarely text book word for word.

He is someone I would not have any problems allowing to rule a unitary state, but you on the other hand I want safeguards and guarantees that you will abide by the rules and not stab me in the back, there is a hugh difference and unless you can see this you will be going around in circles for as long as you live without a solution waiting for a swing in power.

No mate, what you want to impose in Cyprus is no shade of Democracy, it is simply undemocratic. And of course you would prefer Bananiot, firstly because you could impose on him whatever you wanted, and secondly because he would never rebel to fight for his rights.

With Bananiot I would be happy "imposing" a unitary state with one man one vote, is that also undemocratic? You are unable to see the colours because you are coloured blind, the type of solution we want is moulded by people like you, thats why we want a BBF with political equality.

[DT.]

Had I never met you Bananiot, I’d wager that you’re a British female who got dumped by a GC boyfriend…

He has more wisdom in his little finger than you have in your whole body, what you do not realize that if there were more like Bananiot the TCs would be happy to live a unitary state but because the majority of Gcs are like you and your motley crew we need plenty of safeguards to tell you what you can and cannot do in a BBF.

Even if the GC's were like Bananiot VP what would you want? You've stressed in more than one post that you do not wish to live somewhere where the majority of people speak Greek.

I take it form that then, that even if we were all like bananiot you would still not prefer a unitary state. COnsidering other posts you've written in which you've said that your views represent the majority of TC's, then I hereby declare your above statement "BS"