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The 12th June 1958 - The FIRST inter-communal slayings...

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Postby Get Real! » Wed May 21, 2008 10:28 pm

iceman wrote:no matter what you say,it will not change the fact that,unlike GR's accusation,it was not the Turks who drew FIRST BLOOD..

Stiill waiting for CREDIBLE EVIDENCE please...
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Postby Oracle » Wed May 21, 2008 10:35 pm

iceman wrote:Stop playing the stupid Stella..
You know damn well what he meant...
"In August 1958 EOKA indiscriminately killed Turkish Cypriots and TMT (killed) Greeks"


.... So the TMT killed Greeks ... (why brackets, was the killing less painful?). Were those also indiscriminate or was it only EOKA that killed "indiscriminately"?

..... Did the TMT also kill Greek Cypriots or just Greeks?
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Postby iceman » Wed May 21, 2008 10:36 pm

Kifeas wrote:
iceman wrote:
Get Real! wrote:

Is there an English version of this web page where you have taken these photos from?

http://www.kibrisliturksehitler.com/


No there is no English version of the website...Unlike your side we do not use the dead for international propaganda.
What is there to translate?these are the people killed by your "freedom fighters"


Most of these people were probably TCs that joined the British colonialists in order to serve as auxiliary police force in combating the 1955-59 Eoka struggle, and have either been killed in action or assassinated by Eoka fighters.

To the extent that one accepts the Eoka guerilla struggle as a legitimate liberation /self determination one, these individuals were legitimate targets! The Eoka struggle has been accepted and acknowledged by the entire world, but the Turks and the British, to have been a legitimate anti-colonial liberation /self determination struggle!

I am one of those that regard the 1955-59 armed Eoka struggle and the enosis campaign as wrongful from a political perspective. However, they were both perfectly qualified as legitimate anti-colonial liberation /self determination causes. The fact that mistakes, wrongful murders, and collateral damage have occurred during the struggle, is unfortunate, but it is also a fact of life in all such similar liberation struggles! If one knows of one such struggle in the world history, please name it here!


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I dont care how you like to justify your cause.YOU CAN NOT LEGITIMISE MURDER.
All i know is these people were TC's and they were murdered by EOKA.!!!
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Postby Get Real! » Wed May 21, 2008 10:38 pm

Oracle wrote:
iceman wrote:Stop playing the stupid Stella..
You know damn well what he meant...
"In August 1958 EOKA indiscriminately killed Turkish Cypriots and TMT (killed) Greeks"


.... So the TMT killed Greeks ... (why brackets, was the killing less painful?). Were those also indiscriminate or was it only EOKA that killed "indiscriminately"?

..... Did the TMT also kill Greek Cypriots or just Greeks?

Iceman ASSUMES that's what the author meant but of course we will never know with such poor writing skills. Anyway, Makarios' articles are not worth the paper they're written on so let's not waste anymore time on this fool.
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Postby iceman » Wed May 21, 2008 10:41 pm

Oracle wrote:
iceman wrote:Stop playing the stupid Stella..
You know damn well what he meant...
"In August 1958 EOKA indiscriminately killed Turkish Cypriots and TMT (killed) Greeks"


.... So the TMT killed Greeks ... (why brackets, was the killing less painful?). Were those also indiscriminate or was it only EOKA that killed "indiscriminately"?

..... Did the TMT also kill Greek Cypriots or just Greeks?


Lets get one thing clear here...
I condemn TMT killing Greek Cypriots just as i condemn EOKA killing Turkish Cypriots....
But at least have the decency to accept the fact,you lot started the killings for your "cause"
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Postby Get Real! » Wed May 21, 2008 10:43 pm

iceman wrote:
Oracle wrote:
iceman wrote:Stop playing the stupid Stella..
You know damn well what he meant...
"In August 1958 EOKA indiscriminately killed Turkish Cypriots and TMT (killed) Greeks"


.... So the TMT killed Greeks ... (why brackets, was the killing less painful?). Were those also indiscriminate or was it only EOKA that killed "indiscriminately"?

..... Did the TMT also kill Greek Cypriots or just Greeks?


Lets get one thing clear here...
I condemn TMT killing Greek Cypriots just as i condemn EOKA killing Turkish Cypriots....
But at least have the decency to accept the fact,you lot started the killings for your "cause"

EOKA specifically circulated an order early on that no Turkish Cypriot be killed or harmed.
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Postby iceman » Wed May 21, 2008 10:48 pm

Get Real! wrote:
iceman wrote:
Oracle wrote:
iceman wrote:Stop playing the stupid Stella..
You know damn well what he meant...
"In August 1958 EOKA indiscriminately killed Turkish Cypriots and TMT (killed) Greeks"


.... So the TMT killed Greeks ... (why brackets, was the killing less painful?). Were those also indiscriminate or was it only EOKA that killed "indiscriminately"?

..... Did the TMT also kill Greek Cypriots or just Greeks?


Lets get one thing clear here...
I condemn TMT killing Greek Cypriots just as i condemn EOKA killing Turkish Cypriots....
But at least have the decency to accept the fact,you lot started the killings for your "cause"

EOKA specifically circulated an order early on that no Turkish Cypriot be killed or harmed.


so,are you saying the TC casualties were mistakes? Or was your EOKA henchmen disobeying orders?
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Postby Oracle » Wed May 21, 2008 10:49 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Oracle wrote:
iceman wrote:Stop playing the stupid Stella..
You know damn well what he meant...
"In August 1958 EOKA indiscriminately killed Turkish Cypriots and TMT (killed) Greeks"


.... So the TMT killed Greeks ... (why brackets, was the killing less painful?). Were those also indiscriminate or was it only EOKA that killed "indiscriminately"?

..... Did the TMT also kill Greek Cypriots or just Greeks?

Iceman ASSUMES that's what the author meant but of course we will never know with such poor writing skills. Anyway, Makarios' articles are not worth the paper they're written on so let's not waste anymore time on this fool.


Which fool?

GR! .... Would you please answer my previous post to you (page 2)?
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Postby Kifeas » Wed May 21, 2008 10:51 pm

iceman wrote:
Kifeas wrote:
iceman wrote:
Get Real! wrote:

Is there an English version of this web page where you have taken these photos from?

http://www.kibrisliturksehitler.com/


No there is no English version of the website...Unlike your side we do not use the dead for international propaganda.
What is there to translate?these are the people killed by your "freedom fighters"


Most of these people were probably TCs that joined the British colonialists in order to serve as auxiliary police force in combating the 1955-59 Eoka struggle, and have either been killed in action or assassinated by Eoka fighters.

To the extent that one accepts the Eoka guerilla struggle as a legitimate liberation /self determination one, these individuals were legitimate targets! The Eoka struggle has been accepted and acknowledged by the entire world, but the Turks and the British, to have been a legitimate anti-colonial liberation /self determination struggle!

I am one of those that regard the 1955-59 armed Eoka struggle and the enosis campaign as wrongful from a political perspective. However, they were both perfectly qualified as legitimate anti-colonial liberation /self determination causes. The fact that mistakes, wrongful murders, and collateral damage have occurred during the struggle, is unfortunate, but it is also a fact of life in all such similar liberation struggles! If one knows of one such struggle in the world history, please name it here!


Kifeas
I dont care how you like to justify your cause.YOU CAN NOT LEGITIMISE MURDER.
All i know is these people were TC's and they were murdered by EOKA.!!!


Even if those TCs had joined the British in order to fight against the Eoka struggle, and were members of colonial forces that would arrest people, close them in concentration camps and participate in torturing acts against them for being collaborators of the Eoka struggle? Are you aware of the fact that the British had chosen to recruit and use the TCs for these acts, in a deliberate effort to turn the Eoka campaign against TCs, and the two communities against each other?
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Postby Get Real! » Wed May 21, 2008 10:56 pm

iceman wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
iceman wrote:
Oracle wrote:
iceman wrote:Stop playing the stupid Stella..
You know damn well what he meant...
"In August 1958 EOKA indiscriminately killed Turkish Cypriots and TMT (killed) Greeks"


.... So the TMT killed Greeks ... (why brackets, was the killing less painful?). Were those also indiscriminate or was it only EOKA that killed "indiscriminately"?

..... Did the TMT also kill Greek Cypriots or just Greeks?


Lets get one thing clear here...
I condemn TMT killing Greek Cypriots just as i condemn EOKA killing Turkish Cypriots....
But at least have the decency to accept the fact,you lot started the killings for your "cause"

EOKA specifically circulated an order early on that no Turkish Cypriot be killed or harmed.


so,are you saying the TC casualties were mistakes? Or was your EOKA henchmen disobeying orders?

I'm saying that EOKA started attacking the British colonialists and specifically requested their fighters not to engage with or harm TCs, but at some stage TC auxiliary police had to be dealt with for attacking EOKA.
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