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[magikthrill]

The Turkish Cypriot vice president had the right to veto any legislation.

Garbitsch, were there any limitations on this veto?

Either way I don't think it's ridiculous to limit a TCs maximum stature to vice-president preventing a TC from ever being president.

[garbitsch]

Why cannot this be the case? The president will only have some symbolic powers, and the terms of a Greek president can be longer than of a Turkish one.

[garbitsch]

Magik, you will get shocked when you hear that the majority of the Turkish settlers had voted YES in the Annan plan. Remember this plan granted United Cyprus Rep. citizenship to most of the Turkish settlers

[Main_Source]

Garbitsch, your points made sense, yes....but I dont see how that and what Insan were trying to say were the same thing. Insan just let his guard down a bit and showed his true colours.

Also, Cyprus was never owned by Greece because Greece as a country isnt even 200 years old yet...but Greeks have been present in Cyprus for thousands of years. The culture of Cyprus, through its many different colonial rulers has always been Greek. This logic of Turkey deserves Cyprus more because Greece has never ruled it is quite ignorant.

At the end of the day though, the national view in Turkey (judging from that ATCA website) is that real Greeks no longer exist and we are all decendents of Slavs...so how can you even start to try and make these people understand.

Anyway, Im not surprised a lot of settler voted for the Annan plan...it favoured them and Turkey heavily lol....it meant that 2/3 of them would keep the homes thay stole AND join the EU!!!

[garbitsch]

Main_Source, I am not denying the presence of Hellens in Cyprus for thousands years. What I am trying to say, no Community has the right to claim over the whole Cyprus, just because they are more populated. My second point is that the Greeks allegate T.Cs that they are not descendants of Ottoman Turks, but the Greeks who were either forced or had chosen to convert into Islam. Both sides have such accusations, each has an amount of truth, but this doesn't mean that GCs are not Greeks or T.Cs are not Turks.I believe, a reasonable person should not take these claims serious.

[garbitsch]

Magik, I am quoting the executive powers of T.C vice president from the RoC constitution: Note the article "d".

Article 49
The executive power exercised by the Vice-President of the Republic consists of the following matters, that is to say:-
(a) designation and termination of appointment of Turkish Ministers;
(b) asking the President of the Republic for the convening of the Council of Ministers as in Article 55 provided and being present and taking part in the discussions at all meetings of the Council of Ministers without any right to vote;
(c) proposing to the President of the Republic subjects for inclusion in the agenda as in Article 56 provided;
(d) right of final veto on decisions of the Council of Ministers concerning foreign affairs, defence or security as in Article 57 provided;
(e) right of return of decisions of the Council of Ministers as in Article 57 provided;
(f) right of final veto on laws or decisions of the House of Representatives concerning foreign affairs, defence or security as in, Article 50 provided;
(g) right of return of laws or decisions of the House of Representatives or of the Budget as in Article 51 provided;
(h) right of recourse to the Supreme Constitutional Court as in Articles 137, 138 and 143 provided;
(i) right of reference to the Supreme Constitutional Court as in Article 141 provided;
(j) publication of the communal laws and decisions of the Turkish Communal Chamber as in Article 104 provided;
(k) right of reference to the Supreme Constitutional Court of any law or decision of the Turkish Communal Chamber as in Article 142 provided;
(l) right of recourse to the Supreme Constitutional Court in connection with any matter relating to any conflict or contest of power or competence arising between the House of Representatives and the Communal Chambers or any of them and between any organs of, or authorities in, the Republic as in Article 139 provided;
(m) the prerogative of mercy in capital cases as in Article 53 provided;
(n) the exercise of any of the powers specified in Article 47 conjointly with the President of the Republic;
(o) addressing messages to the House of Representatives as in Article 79 provided.

I hope this answers your question.

[garbitsch]

Article 57, paragraph 3:

3. If a decision relates to foreign affairs, defence or security as in Article 50 set out, the President or the Vice-President of the Republic or both shall have a right of veto which they shall exercise within four days of the date when the decision has been transmitted to their respective offices.

[-mikkie2-]

The facts are that unless the refugees are given the CHOICE to return to their former homes then no GC will subscribe to 'donating' their land for the sake of a botched solution.

If the TC's cannot understand, comprehend or accept this basic, fundamental reason and fact as to why the GC's in their majority voted NO to the plan then there is no hope for a solution.

Any other talk on solving the problem might as well be about the weather.

So, is the weather getting warmer in Cyprus? I shall be visiting soon.

[garbitsch]

How about we take our rights, you take your land. Will this sound fair to you?

[erolz]

So, is the weather getting warmer in Cyprus? I shall be visiting soon.

Yep it's getting warmer - due to global warming. By the time we reach a settlement there will only be 25% of Cyprus left above water anyway, so we can all start fighting over that instead