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[insan]

..sorry, not a Turkish Cypriot state...a Turkish state.

This mentality can only lead you to lose more and more everyday.

[Main_Source]

well Insan, you seem so nationalistic and clutch at straws in most of of your posts...that this is the only logical reason you oppose unity so much.

[insan]

well Insan, you seem so nationalistic and clutch at straws in most of of your posts...that this is the only logical reason you oppose unity so much.

That's how much you are able to understand. It's you who adore the National Fighters for Enosis. We well know who is who. The unity you dream of is a GC state with a TC minority. Of course I oppose such kind of unity. GC nation with a TC minority.

Keep dreaming!

[Main_Source]

yep...I have respect for the general freedom fighters of EOKA up to around 1960. I have openly opposed the work of EOKA B...but If I was a nationalist, I would not want unification or socialise with TC. The fact is though is that I do...and as much as we can disagree about EOKA/EOKA B or whatever, I can put that behind me and keep those views to myself...as I am sure many TC have views that I disagree strongly with. I dont let this become a hangup and generally want a unified island.

I am not like you, who clutches at all straws to implant a seed of fear and hate in the minds of TC, as to therefore promote an ill feeling toward unification.

Ask yourself again who is the corrupt one here?

[insan]

yep...I have respect for the general freedom fighters of EOKA up to around 1960. I have openly opposed the work of EOKA B...but If I was a nationalist, I would not want unification or socialise with TC. The fact is though is that I do...and as much as we can disagree about EOKA/EOKA B or whatever, I can put that behind me and keep those views to myself...as I am sure many TC have views that I disagree strongly with. I dont let this become a hangup and generally want a unified island.

I am not like you, who clutches at all straws to implant a seed of fear and hate in the minds of TC, as to therefore promote an ill feeling toward unification.

Ask yourself again who is the corrupt one here?

You clearly demand return of all refugees. You clearly still hate from turkey and demand nullification of treaty of guarantee and treaty of alliance. You still claim that TC community is a minority in cyprus and not the politically equal constituent partner of GC community. It's not me who clutches at all straws to implant a seed of fear and hate in the minds of TC, as to therefore promote an ill feeling toward unification. It's you who don't have any respect towards TC community. After all, you lie to us that you want to leave the past behind and have good relationships with TCs. Where? In a GC state where TCs will be degraded to a minority status. Having good relationships with some individuals in other community is one thing, trying to degrade TCs in a minority status then calling it a "genuine" reunification is nothing more than deluding yorself. TCs are not naive as you think.

I have Greek and Armenian friends here in Istanbul. I had some GC friends while I was in Cyprus in 2003 and 2004. Even if the "TRNC" was a seperate state I would have had Greek and GC friends. Even when I was in London, I had some GC, Brit, Irish, Spanish and Scottish friends. I feel myself as a world citizen. I even have never minded living in south Cyprus as a world citizen. I made many attempts to find a job myself and settle down to South but neither of the companies wished to work with me in South. Even if they hired me I would still defend the same things for TC community.The kind of reunification you demand would be a disaster for TC community.

Some 5-6 thousands TCs are able to live in any country in this world. They neither mind the social circumstances nor being a minority. Do you know that I'm a 36 years old TC and I've never used my vote in any elections?

If the GC community was in a situation like TC community is in; I would defend the same views for GC community. Nevertheless, in this current situation, I believe that I also defend the position of GC community.

[Saint Jimmy]

In a GC state where TCs will be degraded to a minority status.

The kind of reunification you demand would be a disaster for TC community.

Insan, I would very much like to know how you see the future of the TC community in such a GC state, where it would be degraded to minority status (this is just for discussion's sake, I'm not advocating that position).
In essence, my question is 'what do you think would happen in such a state, so as to constitute a disaster for the TC community'?
Do you care to elaborate?

P.S.: this is a genuine effort to understand your line of thinking. I am not implying anything...

[magikthrill]

Don't you know that %95 of TCs want to exchange their properties and live in a safe bi-communal, bi-zonal federation where two communities will have political equality as it is envisaged in Annan Plan.

insan im not denying what youre saying but how is it possible for 95% would exchange their properties if 35% rejected the Annan plan which only required a portion of TCs to exchange their property???

[Main_Source]

so somebody who thinks that all GC are Hellenistic ultra nationalists had GC friends!? WOW!...you must have nerves of steel!

Its a load of crap.

Like VP, who says a year ago he was happy to unify with Greeks....but since then he has never had one good thing to say about GCs in his posts.

Insan, the only thing that is obvious here is that you are a paranoid rant and raver who see's things from the perspective of a Turkish nationalist.

[insan]

In a GC state where TCs will be degraded to a minority status.

The kind of reunification you demand would be a disaster for TC community.

Insan, I would very much like to know how you see the future of the TC community in such a GC state, where it would be degraded to minority status (this is just for discussion's sake, I'm not advocating that position).
In essence, my question is 'what do you think would happen in such a state, so as to constitute a disaster for the TC community'?
Do you care to elaborate?

P.S.: this is a genuine effort to understand your line of thinking. I am not implying anything...

Jimmy, first of all overwhelming majority of TC community does not want to be a minority in a GC state. Moreover they don't believe that TC community is a minority in Cyprus because just a 100 years ago TCs were the governors of Cyprus and they governed Cyprus for 400 years. Now you guess how would TC community feel itself as a minority in a GC state. They would resist and fight not to live as a minority in a GC state. TCs in their history, have never been a minority, have never been governed by GCs. Though you may repeat the same cliche that TCs are minority among settlers and governed by Turkey but be sure of that you confuse settlers and others. You confuse necessary cooperation with Turkey with being ruled by Turkey. %99 of TCs are happy with the presence of Turkish army. %90 of TCs prefer to live under embargos instead of living as a minority in a GC state. These are the facts. These facts are the consequences of 435 years of TC history in Cyprus. Losing Cyprus to Brits during the turmoil of ww1 was a pain for TC community. Overwhelming majority of TCs can never think to be governed by GC community. Incase they are forced to be a minority in Cyprus, most of them would resist with all the powers they have until win or lose. If they lose, most of them will prefer to immigrate instead of staying Cyprus as a minority under GC rule.

[insan]

Don't you know that %95 of TCs want to exchange their properties and live in a safe bi-communal, bi-zonal federation where two communities will have political equality as it is envisaged in Annan Plan.

insan im not denying what youre saying but how is it possible for 95% would exchange their properties if 35% rejected the Annan plan which only required a portion of TCs to exchange their property???

Those who rejected the plan are not against exchange of properties. Overwhelming majority of TC refugees don't think any other alternatives than the exchange of their properties.