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[CopperLine]

However the take home message seems to be that Cyprus is not considering Nuclear Energy when it has the capacity to explore greener possibilities ....... as should Turkey, if it didn't perhaps have alternative uses as an ulterior motive!

What ulterior motives ? What evidence do you have of any ulterior motives ?

Perhaps ....

http://www.cnp.ca/issues/turkey-nuclear-background.html

and ....

Mustafa Kibaroglu, a nuclear proliferation expert at Bilkent University in Ankara. But "if Iran goes nuclear, then who knows?"

In the past, Kibaroglu saw merit in a domestic nuclear industry for Turkey. In a recent interview, however, he argued for alternatives, including improvements to the electrical grid, which leaks as much as a quarter of the power it produces.

"I'm not supporting Turkey's nuclear energy program anymore," he said, "because I'm not clear about what the real intention is. Let's put it that way."

Well the second set of info from Mustafa Kibaroglu is as vague and insubstantial as Oracle's original speculation. The link to nucaware is similarly banal : the link between civil nuclear ambitions and the possibilities of military development are as old as the industry itself. (the articles Oracle links to giving 'evidence' of ulterior motives are ten years old, and one refers to a hint from a former Turkish general that he'd support a weapons programme. So an ex Turkish general in 1998 expresses support for a nuclear weapons programme and Oracle has discovered that the pope has catholic tendencies).

You have a problem of logic and politics again Oracle : that some Turks, generals included, might support a weapons programme, even ten years ago, does not mean that Turkey has an ulterior motive for a civil nuclear energy programme. You also have a problem with the history of an industry. To date there is no nuclear generation in Turkey http://www.nea.fr/html/general/profiles/turkey.html, Turkey is subject to IAEA and NPT regulation and oversight so you'd think that these organisations would be first to know about 'ulterior' motives of weapons programmes. But no one can speculate quite as fantastically as Oracle

[BirKibrisli]

The underlying truth is that big business is taking the Turkish electricity consumer for a very expensive ride that will get increasingly more expensive with the passing years.

Turkish industry is being guided by the wrong kind of capitalist.

I wrote the post above before I saw this,Nikitas...

[Cem]

In a study released by Earthquake Forecasts, Inc this February (1999), Karl Buckthought, Ph.D., noted that "the Akkuyu site is near an active fault line, the Ecemis fault [which is] long enough to produce an 8 Richter earthquake" and in a region that "has experienced a number of strong earthquakes over the past 100 years." Dr. Buckthought emphasized that the consequences of a serious nuclear accident "are horrific - millions of people in Turkey and surrounding areas [will be] hit with disabling and lethal radiation" including Cyprus, Greece, and Israel. The study concluded that "[t]aking account of all the data available, we may state that there is an unacceptable level of risk associated with the proposal to place nuclear reactors at Akkuyu Bay."

We have some common worry then, unique to this issue, first and last time.

Chernobyl may be the biggest nuclear disaster in Russia, however it is not the only one. Ever heard about Chelyabinsk ???
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelyabinsk

In case Cyprus, Greece and Israel are also affected by the radiation, then issues such as Cyprus problem, Greco-Turkish dispute over Aegean islands' territorial rights and Palestinian-Israeli conflict would be automatically solved.

Look at the brighter side

[CopperLine]

Turkish industry is being guided by the wrong kind of capitalist.

Is there a 'right' kind of capitalist ? [/quote]

[Kikapu]

Kikapu,

Perhaps a one world reply is sufficient : Chernobyl

Preciesly CopperLine.!

I'm sure when the Nuclear Power Plant in Chernobyl was built in the 50's behind the "iron curtain", not too many neighbouring nations had any choice, including those under the Soviet control, but since Chernobyl, people are more aware of the dangers that can involve their own countries from Nuclear fallout, caused by other across their borders..

[CopperLine]

Just to be clear, radiation does not discriminate, fallout is indiscriminate. It is in my view the epitome of irresponsibility to implement technologies that (a) we do not yet know how to control and (b) are utterly incapable of addressing the waste question. In opposition to nuclear energy one might find a unity of interest between GCs, TCs, Turks, Greeks, Syrians, etc, etc.

We live in hope (and struggle).

[CopperLine]

Kikapu,

Perhaps a one world reply is sufficient : Chernobyl

Preciesly CopperLine.!

I'm sure when the Nuclear Power Plant in Chernobyl was built in the 50's behind the "iron curtain", not too many neighbouring nations had any choice, including those under the Soviet control, but since Chernobyl, people are more aware of the dangers that can involve their own countries from Nuclear fallout, caused by other across their borders..

I think we agree. As far as I am aware there are no international legal instruments which allow one state to prevent (or veto) the development of such technologies in another state. There are some bi-lateral agreements, for example, on dam building which promise 'consultation' with downriver states, but that is as strong as it gets.

[Oracle]

In a study released by Earthquake Forecasts, Inc this February (1999), Karl Buckthought, Ph.D., noted that "the Akkuyu site is near an active fault line, the Ecemis fault [which is] long enough to produce an 8 Richter earthquake" and in a region that "has experienced a number of strong earthquakes over the past 100 years." Dr. Buckthought emphasized that the consequences of a serious nuclear accident "are horrific - millions of people in Turkey and surrounding areas [will be] hit with disabling and lethal radiation" including Cyprus, Greece, and Israel. The study concluded that "[t]aking account of all the data available, we may state that there is an unacceptable level of risk associated with the proposal to place nuclear reactors at Akkuyu Bay."

We have some common worry then, unique to this issue, first and last time.

Chernobyl may be the biggest nuclear disaster in Russia, however it is not the only one. Ever heard about Chelyabinsk ???
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelyabinsk

In case Cyprus, Greece and Israel are also affected by the radiation, then issues such as Cyprus problem, Greco-Turkish dispute over Aegean islands' territorial rights and Palestinian-Israeli conflict would be automatically solved.

Look at the brighter side

Looks like you wouldn't think twice about pressing the red button ....

[Oracle]

Precise assessment of a state's capabilities is difficult because most weapons of mass destruction (WMD) programs remain secret and cannot be verified independently.

I suppose it all boils down to trust ......

Trust Turkey?

[CopperLine]

No it does not 'all boil down to trust'. It boils down to evidence and verification. That's why international organisations have developed to inspect, seek evidence and verify compliance rather than pursue the Oracle strategy of reckless and baseless speculation.

Whilst absolute precision in assessments is probably impossible, it is equally impossible to hide a weapons programme.