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Postby CopperLine » Fri Sep 26, 2008 12:10 pm

However the take home message seems to be that Cyprus is not considering Nuclear Energy when it has the capacity to explore greener possibilities ....... as should Turkey, if it didn't perhaps have alternative uses as an ulterior motive!


What ulterior motives ? What evidence do you have of any ulterior motives ?[/quote]
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Postby CopperLine » Fri Sep 26, 2008 12:14 pm

Nikitas wrote:Has anyone figure out which part of Turkey is NOT a seismogenic zone and safe enough to have a nuclear power plant? And where will they bury the radioactive waste?


Bare in mind that locating nuclear reactors precisely on seismic faultlines is in keeping with the historic idiocies of the nuclear power industry around the world - just look at the locations of nuclear reactors in Japan, California, Mexico just for starters.
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Postby Oracle » Fri Sep 26, 2008 12:24 pm

CopperLine wrote:
However the take home message seems to be that Cyprus is not considering Nuclear Energy when it has the capacity to explore greener possibilities ....... as should Turkey, if it didn't perhaps have alternative uses as an ulterior motive!


What ulterior motives ? What evidence do you have of any ulterior motives ?


Perhaps ....

http://www.cnp.ca/issues/turkey-nuclear-background.html

and ....

Washingtonpost wrote:Mustafa Kibaroglu, a nuclear proliferation expert at Bilkent University in Ankara. But "if Iran goes nuclear, then who knows?"

In the past, Kibaroglu saw merit in a domestic nuclear industry for Turkey. In a recent interview, however, he argued for alternatives, including improvements to the electrical grid, which leaks as much as a quarter of the power it produces.

"I'm not supporting Turkey's nuclear energy program anymore," he said, "because I'm not clear about what the real intention is. Let's put it that way."
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Postby Kikapu » Fri Sep 26, 2008 12:34 pm

CopperLine wrote:
Nikitas wrote:Has anyone figure out which part of Turkey is NOT a seismogenic zone and safe enough to have a nuclear power plant? And where will they bury the radioactive waste?


Bare in mind that locating nuclear reactors precisely on seismic faultlines is in keeping with the historic idiocies of the nuclear power industry around the world - just look at the locations of nuclear reactors in Japan, California, Mexico just for starters.


CopperLine,

What responsibility, if any, are there for nations wanting to build Nuclear Plants on their territory, but are too close to their neighbouring countries that may become a danger, in the event of a catastrophic event. Can neighbouring nations who may be in the "line of fire" demand that no such construction should take place in their "back yard", even if it is on another's sovereign territory.?

Diablo Canyon Power Plant in San Luis Obispo County, California does lie on a fault line, which I had the pleasure of visiting their control room few years back, but if something bad did happen, it is only going to effect Americans. There is another Nuclear Power plant in California, north of San Diego, that is much closer to Mexico, but still, greater number of Americans are in danger than other nations. Any Nuclear Plant disaster in Southern part of Turkey, would have many neighbouring countries in it's path of destruction.
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Postby CopperLine » Fri Sep 26, 2008 12:39 pm

Kikapu,

Perhaps a one world reply is sufficient : Chernobyl
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Postby Oracle » Fri Sep 26, 2008 12:41 pm

In a study released by Earthquake Forecasts, Inc this February (1999), Karl Buckthought, Ph.D., noted that "the Akkuyu site is near an active fault line, the Ecemis fault [which is] long enough to produce an 8 Richter earthquake" and in a region that "has experienced a number of strong earthquakes over the past 100 years." Dr. Buckthought emphasized that the consequences of a serious nuclear accident "are horrific - millions of people in Turkey and surrounding areas [will be] hit with disabling and lethal radiation" including Cyprus, Greece, and Israel. The study concluded that "[t]aking account of all the data available, we may state that there is an unacceptable level of risk associated with the proposal to place nuclear reactors at Akkuyu Bay."
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Postby Nikitas » Fri Sep 26, 2008 12:47 pm

The underlying truth is that big business is taking the Turkish electricity consumer for a very expensive ride that will get increasingly more expensive with the passing years.

Turkish industry is being guided by the wrong kind of capitalist.
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Postby Cem » Fri Sep 26, 2008 12:51 pm

Oracle wrote:In a study released by Earthquake Forecasts, Inc this February (1999), Karl Buckthought, Ph.D., noted that "the Akkuyu site is near an active fault line, the Ecemis fault [which is] long enough to produce an 8 Richter earthquake" and in a region that "has experienced a number of strong earthquakes over the past 100 years." Dr. Buckthought emphasized that the consequences of a serious nuclear accident "are horrific - millions of people in Turkey and surrounding areas [will be] hit with disabling and lethal radiation" including Cyprus, Greece, and Israel. The study concluded that "[t]aking account of all the data available, we may state that there is an unacceptable level of risk associated with the proposal to place nuclear reactors at Akkuyu Bay."


We have some common worry then, unique to this issue, first and last time.

Chernobyl maybe the biggest nuclear disaster Russia, however it is not the only one.

Ever heard about Chelyabinsk ???
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelyabinsk
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Postby Get Real! » Fri Sep 26, 2008 12:53 pm

Some handy relevant links…

International Atomic Energy Agency
http://www.iaea.org/

International Nuclear Law Association
http://www.world-nuclear.org/sym/2001/r ... n-rest.htm

International School of Nuclear Law
http://www.nea.fr/html/law/isnl/

Regards, GR.
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Postby BirKibrisli » Fri Sep 26, 2008 12:55 pm

Nikitas wrote:Bir,

Cyprus gets earthquakes, and so does southern Turkey. If I remember there was a big one ten years ago in Diyarbakir.

Going nuclear rather than renewable is a trap, it looks financially sound till you calculate the costs of safely storing waste for several thousand years. But everyone is buying into this power production trip.

The other thing which is probably the most important is that nuclear reinforces the centralised production of power, and keeps the consumer hostage of the power companies, whereas PV and wind are by nature diffuse and often owned by the consumer.


In 1999 when there was an earthquake in the North of Turkey I remember I was holidaying near Mersin...I had checked the fault lines which were published in the papers at the time....The area near Mersin is not affected....But that is beside the point...Turkish industry and Turkish capitalists cannot be trusted to do the right thing in this or any other matter...They will cut costs,bribe the officals,and hang Solomon's sword over the whole area including Cyprus...This must not go ahead... :( :(
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