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[Oracle]

Oracle,
The problem is that you are quite incapable of distinguishing speculation, wishful thinking, and conspiracies on the one hand from fact, historical record and evidence on the other hand.

It doesn't matter how many speculative articles you post it does not amount to evidence of Turkey having nuclear power plants, a nuclear programme still less a weapons programme.

Fact : Turkey does not have any nuclear power plants
Fact : Turkey doe not have a weapons programme
Fact : The Turkish government can't even decide whether it wants to develop a civil nuclear project.

So even the title of this thread is misleading - "when Turkey goes nuclear". A more accurate title might be 'IF Turkey goes nuclear' - but then that would undermine your reckless speculation...

And your problem CopperLine is that you are oblivious to the fact this is a discussion forum. Of course we will present speculative material ... so that we can discuss it and extract what we can believe.

I have not presented anything as FACT .... unlike you, off the top of your wish list!. Where is your evidence for those FACTS?

As for wishful thinking, you are as guilty as anyone else ... but there's nothing wrong with that!

However you are incapable of allowing people to discuss, speculate and extrapolate for the sake of dissection to make sense of contradictory views; and then perhaps come to a conclusion. People are free to mull over anything they deem as evidence in the absence of absolute knowledge, before they conclude. Weighing up the evidence means just that.

Why do you feel the constant need to disrupt my threads with inane criticisms ... not of the material, but your imagined reasons for my choosing it?

You presume you know better than others .. on everything! and stifle any debate which worries you ... What is the point of coming on a forum to derail instead of present further observations? You are capable of more, I am sure!

Relax, debate, use your full faculties and worry less about what others think. I cannot influence grown rational human beings, any more than you can.

I present whatever articles interest me, and which I consider are worth discussing and hearing others' take, on the theme proposed. You give me no joy to respond to.

Turkey will go nuclear, have no doubt ... plants have already been approved ... so your "if" is already too late.

Now, stop complaining I may have a lisp, instead of delighting in another topic to discuss.

[CBBB]

There has to be some efficient way of harnessing free resources to provide electricity, whether that be sun, wind or waves (not waves here though).

It really only needs the political will (and a load of money), but it is has to be possible.

Saw a Discovery Channel programme a couple of days ago about solar concentrators which looks very promising, but it will be necessary to override the current bias towards nuclear fission and oil/coal/gas due to their lower initial capital cost.

Having said that, if they can perfect fusion, that could be the answer.

[Oracle]

Oracle,
The problem is that you are quite incapable of distinguishing speculation, wishful thinking, and conspiracies on the one hand from fact, historical record and evidence on the other hand.

It doesn't matter how many speculative articles you post it does not amount to evidence of Turkey having nuclear power plants, a nuclear programme still less a weapons programme.

Fact : Turkey does not have any nuclear power plants
Fact : Turkey doe not have a weapons programme
Fact : The Turkish government can't even decide whether it wants to develop a civil nuclear project.

So even the title of this thread is misleading - "when Turkey goes nuclear". A more accurate title might be 'IF Turkey goes nuclear' - but then that would undermine your reckless speculation...

CopperLine can't see beyond his own nose ....

Turkey to build first nuclear plant on Mediterranean coast: minister

Turkey has decided to build its first nuclear power plant at a controversial location on the Mediterranean coast that had been previously dropped, Energy Minister Hilmi Guler said Tuesday.


"The place where everything is currently ready (for construction) is Akkuyu," Guler told the NTV news channel.

An earlier plan to build a nuclear reactor at Akkuyu, in the southern province of Mersin, was dropped in July 2000 amid financial difficulties and protests from environmentalists in Turkey and neighbouring Greece and Cyprus. Opponents raised safety concerns, arguing that the proposed site is only 25 kilometres (15 miles) from a seismic fault line.


The government is expected to make the tender announcement on February 21 and the winning company should start construction later this year. The plant is expected to become operational in 2013 or 2014.


Guler said preparatory work was also underway to build a second reactor in northern Turkey, near the Black Sea city of Sinop.


Ankara plans to build three nuclear plants with a total capacity of about 5,000 megawatts in hopes of preventing a possible energy shortage and reducing dependence on foreign supplies.

Guler said three billion Turkish lira (2.5 billion dollars, 1.7 billion euros) had been allocated to also build a nuclear technology centre at Sinop. The long-term plan is aimed at developing scientific projects to use nuclear technology in fields such as medicine, engineering and agriculture.


Amid opposition from environmentalists, parliament passed a bill last year setting the legal framework for nuclear plants, authorising the energy ministry to run and finalise construction tenders and decide on the plants capacity and location. The law guarantees that the state will buy the plants production for 15 years.


Officials have said that although the government prefers the private sector to undertake the project, a joint venture between the private and public sectors or construction by the public sector alone could also be considered.

[zan]

Oracle,
The problem is that you are quite incapable of distinguishing speculation, wishful thinking, and conspiracies on the one hand from fact, historical record and evidence on the other hand.

It doesn't matter how many speculative articles you post it does not amount to evidence of Turkey having nuclear power plants, a nuclear programme still less a weapons programme.

Fact : Turkey does not have any nuclear power plants
Fact : Turkey doe not have a weapons programme
Fact : The Turkish government can't even decide whether it wants to develop a civil nuclear project.

So even the title of this thread is misleading - "when Turkey goes nuclear". A more accurate title might be 'IF Turkey goes nuclear' - but then that would undermine your reckless speculation...

CopperLine can't see beyond his own nose ....

Turkey to build first nuclear plant on Mediterranean coast: minister

Turkey has decided to build its first nuclear power plant at a controversial location on the Mediterranean coast that had been previously dropped, Energy Minister Hilmi Guler said Tuesday.


"The place where everything is currently ready (for construction) is Akkuyu," Guler told the NTV news channel.

An earlier plan to build a nuclear reactor at Akkuyu, in the southern province of Mersin, was dropped in July 2000 amid financial difficulties and protests from environmentalists in Turkey and neighbouring Greece and Cyprus. Opponents raised safety concerns, arguing that the proposed site is only 25 kilometres (15 miles) from a seismic fault line.


The government is expected to make the tender announcement on February 21 and the winning company should start construction later this year. The plant is expected to become operational in 2013 or 2014.


Guler said preparatory work was also underway to build a second reactor in northern Turkey, near the Black Sea city of Sinop.


Ankara plans to build three nuclear plants with a total capacity of about 5,000 megawatts in hopes of preventing a possible energy shortage and reducing dependence on foreign supplies.

Guler said three billion Turkish lira (2.5 billion dollars, 1.7 billion euros) had been allocated to also build a nuclear technology centre at Sinop. The long-term plan is aimed at developing scientific projects to use nuclear technology in fields such as medicine, engineering and agriculture.


Amid opposition from environmentalists, parliament passed a bill last year setting the legal framework for nuclear plants, authorising the energy ministry to run and finalise construction tenders and decide on the plants capacity and location. The law guarantees that the state will buy the plants production for 15 years.


Officials have said that although the government prefers the private sector to undertake the project, a joint venture between the private and public sectors or construction by the public sector alone could also be considered.

Hasn't Greece got plans to drill for oil in disputed waters as well...I think Cyprus has plans too somewhere...

[Cem]

CopperLine can't see beyond his own nose ....

Turkey to build first nuclear plant on Mediterranean coast: minister

Turkey has decided to build its first nuclear power plant at a controversial location on the Mediterranean coast that had been previously dropped, Energy Minister Hilmi Guler said Tuesday.


"The place where everything is currently ready (for construction) is Akkuyu," Guler told the NTV news channel.

An earlier plan to build a nuclear reactor at Akkuyu, in the southern province of Mersin, was dropped in July 2000 amid financial difficulties and protests from environmentalists in Turkey and neighbouring Greece and Cyprus. Opponents raised safety concerns, arguing that the proposed site is only 25 kilometres (15 miles) from a seismic fault line.


The government is expected to make the tender announcement on February 21 and the winning company should start construction later this year. [b]The plant is expected to become operational in 2013 or 2014.


Guler said preparatory work was also underway to build a second reactor in northern Turkey, near the Black Sea city of Sinop.


Ankara plans to build three nuclear plants with a total capacity of about 5,000 megawatts in hopes of preventing a possible energy shortage and reducing dependence on foreign supplies.

Guler said three billion Turkish lira (2.5 billion dollars, 1.7 billion euros) had been allocated to also build a nuclear technology centre at Sinop. The long-term plan is aimed at developing scientific projects to use nuclear technology in fields such as medicine, engineering and agriculture.


Amid opposition from environmentalists, parliament passed a bill last year setting the legal framework for nuclear plants, authorising the energy ministry to run and finalise construction tenders and decide on the plants capacity and location. The law guarantees that the state will buy the plants production for 15 years.


Officials have said that although the government prefers the private sector to undertake the project, a joint venture between the private and public sectors or construction by the public sector alone could also be considered.[/b]

Kindly type keywords "Akkuyu and Nuclear" in the google search engine and then you will find a lot links to turkish/foreign websites, most of them being anti-nuke, debating the issue, while giving you the chronology of Turkey's ambition to go nuclear one day.

What is meant by "going nuclear" simply refers to the civilian uses of this form of energy as well as the risks associated with it.

MOreover, what you have posted above simply suggests that nothing in the line of nuclear cooperation between Pakistan and Turkey is likely to happen. On the contrary, Turkey, being one of the most highly indebted countries in the world, is subject to pressure from the western nuclear lobbies, it looks.

So, on this account, she is still tied to west, don't worry.

Here is a useful link in turkish.http://www.antimai.org/cv/akkuyu1.htm

If you are so keen in playing nuclear Sherlock Holmes, then take the trouble of having its contents translated. It is written by an electrical engineer with some experience in the U.S plants and who raises concerns against the building of such sites.

Since you also sourced from antiwar, well there is the turkish counterpart of this :
http://www.savaskarsitlari.org/arsiv.as ... vSayfaNo=1

Interestingly, one of the countries very keen to grab the lion's share from this nuke business is France, Yes France your sweet partner in the E.U, on which gullible GCs trust as a military partner in an eventual conflict with Turkey.

That France which stopped the inauguration of new plants on her soil since 1997.

I am still optimistic that this project like its predecessors may fall by wayside for :

1)There is a new and quite serious global financial storm brewing ahead. Turkey is very likely to be hit as being financially fragile. Considering the financial volume of such project, it is likely to be postponed in this case, if not totally abandoned.

2) Turkey has a very nasty and voluminous track record of unbelievable accidents with high casualties due to the negligence of the past political rulers. Given the proximity of the default line to the planned construction site (Akkuyu) an earthquake can happen anytime during the initial phase of the construction which may deter its completion and even may prompt neighboring countries such Greece and Israel to mobilize their anti-nuke lobbies to force Turkey to abandon the project.

3) In any case, we have still got 6 years ahead so take my advice:

Don't trouble yourself, until the trouble really troubles you.

[Oracle]

Collaboration with Pakistan is not to the exclusion of all else. It's not one or the other.

Turkey is hedging her bets East and West ...

This will lead to her end .... torn apart!

Only financial constraints will limit what Turkey does ... her will is for a nuclear future (already expressed) and nuclear weapons to equalise her perceived threat from Iran.

It is up to us to spread the word of her desires and add a further limitation ...

[humanist]

I blame the British and Americans .......... they have been encouraging Turkey all along to become the bullly of the mediteranian