Cyprus-Forum.com

[Rebel.Without.A.Pause]

The TC genocide card is basically a joke. There was never a TC genocide and keeping the Turkish army in Cyprus to prevent any kind of genocide is a card played by Turkish Cypriots like VP to simply keep the north of our island as a colony of Turkey.

Turkey tore to shreds the credibility of its guarantor power of Cyprus by ethnically cleansing the north and commiting so many war crimes. At the period when the invasion started it was the Turkish army and Turkish Cypriots paramilitaries who commited the first war crimes - no matter WHAT could have potentially happened and what the Greek junta on the island said at the time. Therefore, why would any Turkish Cypriot with common sense (subsequently exclusing the likes of VP) expect Greek Cypriots to even contemplate a further guarantorship of Turkey after it used its previous one to simply colonise part of the island??? Do any level headed Turkish Cypriots or Greek Cypriots think a genocide or ethnic cleansing of any community could happen now that Cyprus is part of the EU and so much focus would take place on any such issues by the international community??

[bilako22]

Preventing genocide would be exactly what a multinational force with a clear firepower advantage over ALL other forces in Cyprus would accomplish just as well, if not better than the Turkish troops. The proposals were for the status quo on the ground to remain, even th TRNC to continue as it is, while a solution was being worked out.

The genocide card is a little overplayed.

We saw what happened in Bosnia . No thanks.

[Kikapu]

And how about you Greeks who were stupid enough to give Turkey a reason to come to Cyprus by fighting amongst yourselves?

It's nice when you can write something that is close to the truth.!!

Lets have more.!!

[Viewpoint]

The TC genocide card is basically a joke. There was never a TC genocide and keeping the Turkish army in Cyprus to prevent any kind of genocide is a card played by Turkish Cypriots like VP to simply keep the north of our island as a colony of Turkey.

Turkey tore to shreds the credibility of its guarantor power of Cyprus by ethnically cleansing the north and commiting so many war crimes. At the period when the invasion started it was the Turkish army and Turkish Cypriots paramilitaries who commited the first war crimes - no matter WHAT could have potentially happened and what the Greek junta on the island said at the time. Therefore, why would any Turkish Cypriot with common sense (subsequently exclusing the likes of VP) expect Greek Cypriots to even contemplate a further guarantorship of Turkey after it used its previous one to simply colonise part of the island??? Do any level headed Turkish Cypriots or Greek Cypriots think a genocide or ethnic cleansing of any community could happen now that Cyprus is part of the EU and so much focus would take place on any such issues by the international community??

I did not play the genocide card and I accept that the TA will leave what I do object to is making them leave now before a comprehensive solution is found, their leaving will be part and parcel of that. The have maintained a peaceful existence for all for the past 34 years, god only knows what would have happen if they did not arrive.

[Sotos]

Yes God only knows what would have happened. My guess is that Cyprus would be a peaceful place with no big problems. thats what would have happened! But thats just my guess like you can have some guess also. What we know as fact is what happened! Not what would have happened! and what happened is thousands of people died and many more ethnically cleansed and you still occupy our homes!!

[Viewpoint]

Yes God only knows what would have happened. My guess is that Cyprus would be a peaceful place with no big problems. thats what would have happened! But thats just my guess like you can have some guess also. What we know as fact is what happened! Not what would have happened! and what happened is thousands of people died and many more ethnically cleansed and you still occupy our homes!!

The period between 1960 to 1974 was not to Rosy either and does not bode well for what would have happened to us if the TA did not arrive. Now you cannot deny both dies have existed peaceful and prospered.

[Kikapu]

The period between 1960 to 1974 was not to Rosy either and does not bode well for what would have happened to us if the TA did not arrive. Now you cannot deny both dies have existed peaceful and prospered.

That's not true VP. Had Turkey carried out her Guarantorship duties to the letter of the law that she signed up to do and restored the Cypriot Government after the '74 coup, the country and it's citizens would have prospered many times over than what we have today, as well as many more Cypriots, TC's and GC's would have remained in Cyprus and not fled overseas. What we had in Cyprus for the last 34 years is security and existence and not peace. If we had peace, there wouldn't be any need for today's peace negotiations to take place. Don't confuse security with peace in Cyprus, although it is true to say, that under normal circumstances, peace and security does go hand in hand.

[Viewpoint]

The period between 1960 to 1974 was not to Rosy either and does not bode well for what would have happened to us if the TA did not arrive. Now you cannot deny both dies have existed peaceful and prospered.

That's not true VP. Had Turkey carried out her Guarantorship duties to the letter of the law that she signed up to do and restored the Cypriot Government after the '74 coup, the country and it's citizens would have prospered many times over than what we have today, as well as many more Cypriots, TC's and GC's would have remained in Cyprus and not fled overseas. What we had in Cyprus for the last 34 years is security and existence and not peace. If we had peace, there wouldn't be any need for today's peace negotiations to take place. Don't confuse security with peace in Cyprus, although it is true to say, that under normal circumstances, peace and security does go hand in hand.

You yourself hit the nail on the head without security there cannot be peace, that's why 1960 to 1974 was hell for us our security was under seize by GCs who were pursuing their dream of enosis. Turkey brought about a form of solution to a situation that had not been corrected for over 11 years, ample time to bring about a democratic and human rights abiding country but that was not the aim of the GCs and subsequently the TCs who were reactive more that proactive in countering with the Taksim ideology.

You refer to Turkeys guarantor rights which exist even today, she came and brought about a peaceful existence for all 1000 times better than the previous mayhem and suffering, you say she should resolve things and leave, can you honestly say has anything been resolved even as we speak the problems have not been resolved and both sides appear to be trying to close the chasm which clearly exists and may never be bridged, so why should she go? just to please the GCs? giving them the free hand they long for? that swing Piratis and his kind talk about? ain't gonna happen it about time people realized that the TA will only leave when a comprehensive solution has been signed and not before.

[humanist]

Muzzy 70

Wake up to the fact that Cyprus is for all Cypriohttp:

Here's to the coment. Am all for it :)

[Kikapu]

The period between 1960 to 1974 was not to Rosy either and does not bode well for what would have happened to us if the TA did not arrive. .

That's not true VP. Had Turkey carried out her Guarantorship duties to the letter of the law that she signed up to do and restored the Cypriot Government after the '74 coup, the country and it's citizens would have prospered many times over than what we have today, as well as many more Cypriots, TC's and GC's would have remained in Cyprus and not fled overseas. What we had in Cyprus for the last 34 years is security and existence and not peace. If we had peace, there wouldn't be any need for today's peace negotiations to take place. Don't confuse security with peace in Cyprus, although it is true to say, that under normal circumstances, peace and security does go hand in hand.

You yourself hit the nail on the head without security there cannot be peace, that's why 1960 to 1974 was hell for us our security was under seize by GCs who were pursuing their dream of enosis. Turkey brought about a form of solution to a situation that had not been corrected for over 11 years, ample time to bring about a democratic and human rights abiding country but that was not the aim of the GCs and subsequently the TCs who were reactive more that proactive in countering with the Taksim ideology.

You refer to Turkeys guarantor rights which exist even today, she came and brought about a peaceful existence for all 1000 times better than the previous mayhem and suffering, you say she should resolve things and leave, can you honestly say has anything been resolved even as we speak the problems have not been resolved and both sides appear to be trying to close the chasm which clearly exists and may never be bridged, so why should she go? just to please the GCs? giving them the free hand they long for? that swing Piratis and his kind talk about? ain't gonna happen it about time people realized that the TA will only leave when a comprehensive solution has been signed and not before.

I was only answering one part of your earlier post, which was "now you cannot deny both dies have existed peaceful and prospered" and not the whole Cyprus problem. I did not even bring up the departure of the Turkish Troops since it was not relevant to what I was responding to. But now that you brought up the security factor, security can also be provided by others and not just by Turkey, but that's another topic for another time. And yes, my family and myself did suffer in the early 60's and it has often been a question in my mind, as to why Turkey, Britain and Greece did not do anything to correct the problems before it got much bigger as time went by, to a point where Greece with the Junta became also part of the problem, and yet Turkey and Britain stood by not doing anything. When Turkey finally did come, she also became part of the problem and not part of a solution. Any open minded person can see how the island of Cyprus was the intent for Greece, Turkey and Britain, and not the Cypriot people themselves. Their actions speak for themselves.