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[Get Real!]

Muzzyree,

I’m glad you’ve decided to spread your wings beyond the confines of ATCA… about time too so welcome to the CF.


Regards, GR.

[Piratis]

Here:

Land Ownership in Cyprus by Ethnic Group:

60.9% - Greek/Armenian/Maronite Cypriots
12.3% - Turkish Cypriots
0.5% - Others
26.3% - State/Church Land

So the share of TCs would be 12.3% + (18% of 26.3%) = ?

These seem to be the more accurate figures, than the ones above and out of my head, however there is a mistake. The 26.3% is only the State land (public.) Church land is included in the GC land percentage (60.9%,) a well as the Evkaf land is included in the TC percentage (12.3%.)

These % can be examined by independent experts, who can also take into the radical drop in TC land ownership and disputes raised by those with grievances, whatever the outcome both sides will accept without debate, how about that Kifeas?

Sure, but as we all know you refuse to accept UN resolution and legality. Therefore it is obvious that you will accept the experts conclusion only if you like it. If you don't like it you will simply continue to act illegally which has never been a problem to you.

So the Turkish army should first withdraw from Cyprus, legality should be restored, and then we will follow the results given by truly independent experts from truly independent countries about the share of land each community should have.

[Piratis]

That's very generous of you piratis...what would we do without your generosity?

I would be generous if I was willing to gift to you what is ours. So I am not generous.

At the same time I am not a thief like you either, since I don't want to gain anything on your loss.

So why don't you accept your fair share?

How do you know i am a thief piratis? Have you seen me steal anything?
In 1974 my family left loads of property in Limassol and we were given a GC house to live in Kyrenia.

I do not call the refugee family from Varosha and the other refugee family from Morphou living in my houses in Limassol thieves.!! so stop calling me a thief..

As for deciding what is fair share....we shall calculate that together when the time comes

iceman, I highlighted the message of my earlier post.

I noticed that in the case of a "united" Cyprus, TC find all kind of lame excuses to demand gains of land and power on the loss of GCs, claiming that they need all those gains supposedly for their "security" from the "evil" GCs who can not be trusted.

Well, in the case of partition even those lame excuses can not be used. Things are very clear and very known. TCs are 18% and own 18% of land (actually a bit less) and GCs along with the other communities make up the 82%. So if we are going to have partition there would be only one somewhat* fair way to do it, and that would be 18%-82%. If you demand anything more than that, thats clearly an intention of gaining land on our loss.

*And I say "somewhat fair" because we have 1000s of years of history over the whole island, and we are the overwhelming majority over the whole island, and giving to you 18% of it is already a huge compromise from our part and not truly fair. But at least it is not a gross injustice.

[Oracle]

I don't think the EU would allow us to give away part of Cyprus to Turks and their descendants just because they demand that ...

All of Cyprus is for all the Cypriots ....

[Nikitas]

"Wake up to the fact that Cyprus is for all Cypriots! "

Precisely, so why do you want to divide it?

[Nikitas]

"So the Turkish army should first withdraw from Cyprus" or we can go to plan B which would be to bring in an equal force in terms of manpower and firepower from Greece to balance things out and then we can negotiate the legalities.

[74LB]

You solve inter-communal conflicts which was started from your side with cleansing 200.000 people from their homes and lands? You call that solving? The world calls it war crimes!. We are the ones waiting and we have patience you plonker. You will move from our lands 1 day! Now FO back to turkey=fascist state

With all due respect, the conflict did not begin in 1974.

Did you see me mention dates??? But you are right......you started it in 58 together with the brits. Get your facts right 74LB! Your so called peace operation in 74 (when there was no conflict with the TC's) cleansed 200K people from their homes and turkey=fascist state invaded 38% of our island. Also the TC's island. You call that a peace operation?

Apologies then, so tell me the date referred to in your post which I have highlighted for you ?

Or are you saying 200,000 were ethnically cleansed in 1958 and 1974 ?

[bilako22]

You solve inter-communal conflicts which was started from your side with cleansing 200.000 people from their homes and lands? You call that solving? The world calls it war crimes!. We are the ones waiting and we have patience you plonker. You will move from our lands 1 day! Now FO back to turkey=fascist state

With all due respect, the conflict did not begin in 1974.

Did you see me mention dates??? But you are right......you started it in 58 together with the brits. Get your facts right 74LB! Your so called peace operation in 74 (when there was no conflict with the TC's) cleansed 200K people from their homes and turkey=fascist state invaded 38% of our island. Also the TC's island. You call that a peace operation?

Apologies then, so tell me the date referred to in your post which I have highlighted for you ?

Or are you saying 200,000 were ethnically cleansed in 1958 and 1974 ?

He keeps going about some lies concerning 1958 .

[Get Real!]

He keeps going about some lies concerning 1958 .

I respect your right to remain ignorant but then please quit posting altogether.

The Turkish community was whipped into a frenzy by broadcasts from Turkey calling for the partition of Cyprus. Violence between the turks and Cypriots broke out in early June and climaxed when eight Greeks were massacred in a cornfield near the Turkish village of Geunyeli.

http://www.britains-smallwars.com/cyprus/war.html

On 12 June 1958 eight innocent and unarmed Greek Cypriot civilians from Kondemenos village were murdered by T.M.T. terrorists near the Turkish populated village of Geunyeli. That was the first incident involving human lives.

http://www.kypros.org/Cyprus_Problem/p_TMT.html

[bilako22]

He keeps going about some lies concerning 1958 .

I respect your right to remain ignorant but then please quit posting altogether.

The Turkish community was whipped into a frenzy by broadcasts from Turkey calling for the partition of Cyprus. Violence between the turks and Cypriots broke out in early June and climaxed when eight Greeks were massacred in a cornfield near the Turkish village of Geunyeli.

http://www.britains-smallwars.com/cyprus/war.html

On 12 June 1958 eight innocent and unarmed Greek Cypriot civilians from Kondemenos village were murdered by T.M.T. terrorists near the Turkish populated village of Geunyeli. That was the first incident involving human lives.

http://www.kypros.org/Cyprus_Problem/p_TMT.html

Do you have anything to say about the events concerning EOKA and their aspirations for ENOSIS during the 1950s that was a direct threat to the survival of the TCs?