Kikapu wrote:
VP,
Nothing happens in a vacuum. Yours and GR's views are hardly different in the main scope of things. He has taken extreme views on certain things as you have done on others. But I have warned you many times, that time does not stand still nor does it's surroundings and sooner or later, the shit is going to hit the fan, and your views of keeping the division long enough to gain recognition or where in about 100 years or so, people are going to say "what Cyprus problems" is just one of those extreme views. If 1571 has not been forgotten, what makes you think 1974 will.?
There are many of us here on the forum, TC's and GC's who would like nothing better than a just and fair settlement and not the type where one is triumphant and the other seeking revenge as a result. Your views has always been to be victorious in any settlement, regardless of the cost. I have also warned you, that your neighbour knows where you live and what has been taken from him. It is these action that will continue to ferment hate and violence. What Bir feels and talks about are for the good of all Cypriots, therefore he is not wasting his time. I only wish you can at some point follow his lead.
Viewpoint wrote:Who are you to warn anyone? you persistently put forward the GC arguments 100% without wanting to understand that TCs also want a fair solution for all but taking into account concerns of both sides which cannot be pushed to one side as these concerns are redlines and without remedy will automatically guarantee the failure of any future plans, as was the case in the GC rejection of the AP.
Show me anywhere where you have wanted a fair and just solution. You idea of a fair and just solution are full of Red Lines and the Annan Plan. Well, you got your answer on the Annan Plan, but you do not accept the results, so what do you do, continue down the same path as the AP, as it was the only possible "peace plan" that is workable. What you fail to understand is, peace has to be an agreed solution and not imposed one. Having Cypriots themselves sit and discuss their own problems to have a give and take proposals are the only way to get such peace solution and not the type that says "take it or leave it". This is why I have high hopes for peace now, providing we can negotiate ourselves, but already the technical groups are not making any head ways, since according to some sources, the TC's are just presenting scripted proposal directed from Ankara and are not allowed to make any changes. I have told you before, that I'm willing to give Talat a chance to prove his position as the leader of the TC's and will not criticize him just yet on his leadership, hoping he can prove me wrong with his ability to get a fair and just solution.
I will continue to warn you of disasters ahead if a fair and just solution is not found, because you seem to believe that life will continue as is now forever. Well you are wrong and GR's "war path" comments are what I'm talking about. You make the mistake that the present situation can go indefinitely as long as Turkey is there to maintain the present conditions. I do not believe in such scenarios and in time changes will occur and so will the outcomes. I'm looking into the future where as you are stuck in the past and the present.
Viewpoint wrote:Do you argue against GR? when he is on the war path? NO in fact you make excuses and again blindly support GCs.
Once again you show us that you have zero credibility. Where did I make excuses to GR's thread on talking about war. I deliberately stayed away from it, because that not where my focus is nor do I believe in having war to solve our problems in Cyprus. My focus is to have the TC's living in a country where they are fully respected members of the Cypriot society as equal citizens. It is people like you and all your Red Lines that bring out the worse in people like GR. The only thing I can say in GR's defence, is that to him war will come after all possible peace talks are exhausted, and I do not believe he meant the present peace negotiations. Unlike you, I'm a realist and I can understand why some peoples emotions run high when they think there are no other options but war. How you ever cornered an animal and had to fight to defend it self. Try it sometime and see what the results will be.
My only contribution to GR's "war thread" came at the last page that put an end to that thread. I did not use antagonistic words like some of you did on that thread, but a picture of a man flying with wings with jets, as a weapon of choice, rather than all the other weapons GR showed us. That one picture brought GR's "war thread" to an end. So, that was my only contribution, and it had more effect than all the bravado and incendiary comments put forward by most of you. War is the very last thing we need in Cyprus and I believe GR knows that, but it can never be ruled out because different times brings different thinking, hence the fact that Time Does Not Stand Still, if one community is trying to push their will over the other. We have seen this played out in the past with devastating results, so lets not make the same mistakes in the future.
Viewpoint wrote:Your exaggerated analysis of my demands for a solution do not in any way shape or form depict what I see as a solution and only goes to reveal your own short comings in understand why TCs demand the type of solution they do. In life nothing is black and white, yet you annoyingly persist with promoting the I know all and what I say say is gospel to a degree of insanity that you can demand all you wish the bottom line is that unless we can honestly address each others concerns we will never find a solution, just dismissing them will only serve to harden our views
Call it what you want VP, but I stand by my concerns that you can only prolong the present conditions so long. I have been through the 1963 just as Bir and Halil and Deniz and we understand that security for the "Minority" of the Cypriots needs to be protected, but that is far different than having a plan such as the AP where it allows partition to become a reality. It is these "solutions" that I object to, because in the end it will only bring destruction if one side feels cheated. If one side becomes victorious at the expense of the other in any peace negotiations, then the other will become vengeful. This should be a very simple thing to understand on how human beings react when they feel they have been wronged, and that is exactly what the outcome would have been had the AP passed in 2004. Unfortunately, my senses are you don't care too much for the future as long as you are victorious today and your continued insistence on the AP today, only tells me what I want to know what your idea of peace is. Anytime you want to set Red Lines from return of property, right of return, denied Democratic Rights to some and so on is hardly a peace plan that qualifies as being "reunited". It will be more like husband and wife breaking up then they decide to start a new beginning, but their Red Lines are that they must sleep in seperate beds in seperate rooms. Perhaps that is your ideas of a relationship, but it is not mine.
Viewpoint wrote:just as in your case I would not negotiate the use of a restaurant with you let alone a country, but on the opposite end of the scale I would happily surrender my future to Bananiot who has more vision and understanding than all your text GCs put together. Can you see the difference?
You are right, I would not want to share a restaurant with you either. If your cooking is anything like your politics, it will be a very nasty tasting food. I rather have Hali as my partner, at least he has good taste in food.
Sure you like Bananiot over me, because he supports the AP as you do, but having had several discussions with Bananiot about the AP, he seems to have the illusion that it is a Federation and not a Confederation plan with options to have a partition, and a man who does not support Partition and Confederation, I'm lost for words on his take on the AP. But unfortunately for you, your concerns should not be the Bananiot types but the other 76% who disagrees with you and Bananiot. It is them that you need to come to terms with, just as they need to come to terms with the 65% in the north. So it's time to roll up our sleeves and compromise and negotiate for a long lasting peaceful solution. The clock has already started, so lets not waste any more time than we already have for the last 40+ years.
Viewpoint wrote:or will you still blindly continuing with pursue totally GC views 101%
You keep using the 101% a lot to try and make a point. Just to let you know, that in the contexts that you use the 101%, it is redundant to have a number larger than 100%. 100% effort is the maximum you can ever have or be able to produce and anything above is just a wasted number.
