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[BirKibrisli]

The evidence is there for all who can read and understand English to see. Bir’s cheap “brotherly” posts just don’t cut it for me because Cyprus has VERY SERIOUS problems, the most important of which I consider to be the intentionally adjusted DEMOGRAPHICS which is a war crime in its own right.

Bir’s typical “Poor little Turkish Cypriots” attitude thereby washing their hands clean, in conjunction with his constant praising of partitionists like Bananiot, is a slap in the face and an insult to all Greek Cypriots, and I for one have had enough of it.

You might feel that by brotherly, peaceful messages are "cheap" for all you like, GR...That does not make them so...It only shows how bitter and twisted you are,that the only words you want to hear are "Kill" and "annihilate"...Well,I will not oblige you,never ever..I have always stood for unification,one vote one value type true democracy,One people,one nation of Cypriots,all equal in the eyes of the law,regardless of their ethnic background...This dream of mine can only be achieved if we developed underdstanding,trust and respect for each other...The way to do that is via empathy and compassion...You have none of that for the TCs,and hence you and your likes are primarily responsible for where we are now...The status qou is your proud work,because of your racist belief that all things Turkish must evoke only one feeling in GCs:revulsion..
You are deluded enough to expect that that should be the case for TCs as well...And if it is not they should be treated with contempt...What a joke!

Bananiot is anything but a partitionist...His preferred solution is the same as mine...He is simply more of a realist than I am...He believes the best we can achieve under the circumstances if a BBF...I am fast coming to the same conclusion...Thanks to your constant racist and bigoted anti-Turkish venom, total disdain for the TCs,and constant beating of the war drums...I want to come back and live in a united ,democratic Cyprus where people are treated only according to their human values,their social conscience,and their respect and compassion for each other...
Not eternally victimised for their real or imaginary misdeeds from the past,or for their ethnic or religious affiliations...I know you are in the minority,thankfully. Most GCs I know are decent human beings with a balanced understanding of the root causes of our conflict. More importantly they have a good understanding of the position the TCs have found themselves at no fault of their own...I am talking about the greater historical and political forces which have prevented Cypriots from becoming one nation,united in their love of their country and respect and compassion for each other...Those GCs are my brothers and sisters,and
I will live next to them or with them in the same house any day...If you think these words are "cheap" you are totally ignorant of my personality and philosophy of life...

[BirKibrisli]

Bir have you had a taste of real GCs attitude even you a very liberal TC is seen as a threat and a conman for putting forward and supporting TCs fears and concerns unlike another poster who claims he is a TCs but is clearly not.

VP...I refuse to believe that GR represents the majority of the GCs...
He is one misguided,deluded,bitter individual whose blinkered view of Cyprus history leads him to outrages comments against his fellow compatriots...Anybody who puts all the blame, in an internationally and strategically complex problem like ours,squarely on one side,does not deserve to be taken seriously...I for one will treat him as a joke from now on..I suggest you do the same...

[Murataga]

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[Oracle]

No matter how much the invaders may complain about the behaviour of the natives whose country they have blighted for centuries, they have but themselves to blame.

Present day pretence at adopting a civilised approach and judging our every objection to their unwelcome presence on our island, torn asunder by their greed and vile politics, will wash with some, but not the majority, as we have suffered plenty and know our enemy well.

But we do not have to adopt our invaders mentality and sink to their level. We have nothing to be ashamed of; not in our past, nor present conduct.

We did what we had to do to survive against two vast and powerful Empires ... the British and the Ottoman. How many nations of our size have got this far under such odds?

And we have gotten far; we have the world behind us, support by the UN and EU because they have judged us and they judged the Turks, and it is Turkey for whom the guilty on-all-counts verdict has been passed.

And if we went further and condemned those who sided with, aided and abetted the guilty, and continue in mutual co-operation, then it is our prerogative, as the victims of their invasion and constant occupation of our tiny territory, to object.

[Oracle]

I am glad to see Murataga had the decency to delete his post.

[miltiades]

The evidence is there for all who can read and understand English to see. Bir’s cheap “brotherly” posts just don’t cut it for me because Cyprus has VERY SERIOUS problems, the most important of which I consider to be the intentionally adjusted DEMOGRAPHICS which is a war crime in its own right.

Bir’s typical “Poor little Turkish Cypriots” attitude thereby washing their hands clean, in conjunction with his constant praising of partitionists like Bananiot, is a slap in the face and an insult to all Greek Cypriots, and I for one have had enough of it.

You might feel that by brotherly, peaceful messages are "cheap" for all you like, GR...That does not make them so...It only shows how bitter and twisted you are,that the only words you want to hear are "Kill" and "annihilate"...Well,I will not oblige you,never ever..I have always stood for unification,one vote one value type true democracy,One people,one nation of Cypriots,all equal in the eyes of the law,regardless of their ethnic background...This dream of mine can only be achieved if we developed underdstanding,trust and respect for each other...The way to do that is via empathy and compassion...You have none of that for the TCs,and hence you and your likes are primarily responsible for where we are now...The status qou is your proud work,because of your racist belief that all things Turkish must evoke only one feeling in GCs:revulsion..
You are deluded enough to expect that that should be the case for TCs as well...And if it is not they should be treated with contempt...What a joke!

Bananiot is anything but a partitionist...His preferred solution is the same as mine...He is simply more of a realist than I am...He believes the best we can achieve under the circumstances if a BBF...I am fast coming to the same conclusion...Thanks to your constant racist and bigoted anti-Turkish venom, total disdain for the TCs,and constant beating of the war drums...I want to come back and live in a united ,democratic Cyprus where people are treated only according to their human values,their social conscience,and their respect and compassion for each other...
Not eternally victimised for their real or imaginary misdeeds from the past,or for their ethnic or religious affiliations...I know you are in the minority,thankfully. Most GCs I know are decent human beings with a balanced understanding of the root causes of our conflict. More importantly they have a good understanding of the position the TCs have found themselves at no fault of their own...I am talking about the greater historical and political forces which have prevented Cypriots from becoming one nation,united in their love of their country and respect and compassion for each other...Those GCs are my brothers and sisters,and
I will live next to them or with them in the same house any day...If you think these words are "cheap" you are totally ignorant of my personality and philosophy of life...

Bir you can not possibly take GR seriously judging by some of his stated views on how best to resolve the Cyprob.
This is the man who advocates war since he beleives that all other options are now history. This is the man who suggested employing the services of mercenaries to help in a war against Turkey , and suggested that the Cypriot armed forces can strike deep into Southern Turkey while at the same time dealing with 40 thousand Turkish troops stationed in Cyprus , and also dealing with the T/Cs and the settlers. His views are NOT shared by those that are engaged in negotiations NOT shared by any prominent Cypriot diplomat and certainly NOT shared by any responsible Cypriot who believes in vigorous negotiations as against a destructive war that not only it would achieve nothing but would cause irreparable damage to the prospects of a long lasting solution not forgetting the thousands that would perish. He is indeed a warmonger and a dangerous one too.
He confuses bravado with responsible negotiations .
He once dismissed the efforts of the UK Cypriots in raising awareness of the Turkish occupation of part of Cyprus , by rallying demonstrating as merely an excuse to get together for a booze up !!
He dares to call anyone not agreeing with views that could wreak devastation in Cyprus beyond all proportions as traitors !!
The present plight of Cyprus is a direct result of those that ignored realities and marched ahead regardless of consequences .
We are not about to repeat that fiasco.

[Viewpoint]

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Why did you delete your post Murat? I had the chance to read it and it brought home a lot of truth in the underlying problem of why certain people will always be the cause of the continued status quo, only problem is they don't realize this fact.

I also agree with your statement that GCs in general as fine to socialize with as long as you do not raise the Cyprus issue as they change totally and are ready to attack you just like GR.

[Viewpoint]

Bir have you had a taste of real GCs attitude even you a very liberal TC is seen as a threat and a conman for putting forward and supporting TCs fears and concerns unlike another poster who claims he is a TCs but is clearly not.

VP...I refuse to believe that GR represents the majority of the GCs...
He is one misguided,deluded,bitter individual whose blinkered view of Cyprus history leads him to outrages comments against his fellow compatriots...Anybody who puts all the blame, in an internationally and strategically complex problem like ours,squarely on one side,does not deserve to be taken seriously...I for one will treat him as a joke from now on..I suggest you do the same...

Bir you obviously have a continuous headache from banging it up against a brick wall all the time, GR and co are the real GC majority here they can anonymously display their real anger and venom at the the TCs and you should be more cautious in wanting to to share the island as one country with these people because you desire to see us united will expose us to this mentality for which not only you will pay the price but the rest of the TCs will also suffer.

[bilako22]

Bir have you had a taste of real GCs attitude even you a very liberal TC is seen as a threat and a conman for putting forward and supporting TCs fears and concerns unlike another poster who claims he is a TCs but is clearly not.

VP...I refuse to believe that GR represents the majority of the GCs...
He is one misguided,deluded,bitter individual whose blinkered view of Cyprus history leads him to outrages comments against his fellow compatriots...Anybody who puts all the blame, in an internationally and strategically complex problem like ours,squarely on one side,does not deserve to be taken seriously...I for one will treat him as a joke from now on..I suggest you do the same...

Bir you obviously have a continuous headache from banging it up against a brick wall all the time, GR and co are the real GC majority here they can anonymously display their real anger and venom at the the TCs and you should be more cautious in wanting to to share the island as one country with these people because you desire to see us united will expose us to this mentality for which not only you will pay the price but the rest of the TCs will also suffer.

GR represents the mentality and aspirations of all those GCs that voted against AP in 2004.

[BirKibrisli]

Bir you can not possibly take GR seriously judging by some of his stated views on how best to resolve the Cyprob.
This is the man who advocates war since he beleives that all other options are now history. This is the man who suggested employing the services of mercenaries to help in a war against Turkey , and suggested that the Cypriot armed forces can strike deep into Southern Turkey while at the same time dealing with 40 thousand Turkish troops stationed in Cyprus , and also dealing with the T/Cs and the settlers. His views are NOT shared by those that are engaged in negotiations NOT shared by any prominent Cypriot diplomat and certainly NOT shared by any responsible Cypriot who believes in vigorous negotiations as against a destructive war that not only it would achieve nothing but would cause irreparable damage to the prospects of a long lasting solution not forgetting the thousands that would perish. He is indeed a warmonger and a dangerous one too.
He confuses bravado with responsible negotiations .
He once dismissed the efforts of the UK Cypriots in raising awareness of the Turkish occupation of part of Cyprus , by rallying demonstrating as merely an excuse to get together for a booze up !!
He dares to call anyone not agreeing with views that could wreak devastation in Cyprus beyond all proportions as traitors !!
The present plight of Cyprus is a direct result of those that ignored realities and marched ahead regardless of consequences .
We are not about to repeat that fiasco.

GR and those who think like him( in black and white and racist terms on really complex historical issues),and who believe that threats of war will advance the cause of peace,are the real culprits in our failure to find a solution for so long...Knowingly or unknowingly they give credence to the arguments of the racist-fascist-supremacists on both sides,who believe GCs and TCs cannot possibly live together peacefully...Or even side by side without supervision...I have tried to ignore him for some time now,but he seems hell bent on sabotaging every attempt by progressive ,liberal and humanitarian thinkers like yourself to introduce some empathy and compassion into the equation...Or simple logic for that matter...We need to take him on at every opportunity,and expose his rantings for what they are...Dangerous and misguided notions which,taken seriously,would only result in more pain and suffering for most Cypriots...