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[BirKibrisli]

Who do you think you’re talking to? You think I buy this shit like some of my other foolish compatriots? Do you honestly think that the enormous problems, such as the importation of 150,000 Anatolian mullahs, the desecration of our hundreds of Churches and stolen artifacts, the prostitution of our land and homes, and myriads of other problems that Turkey and your community have created on this island can really be solved with words?

I am talking to you,GR...The person who talks tough but cannot even crawl yet...I have been talking about the mistakes of Turkey and the TCs before you even joined this Forum...My compassion and empathy with the GCs are beyond questioning by destructive warmongers like yourself...

Go and learn what I really stand for,what I really advocate for my homeland before throwing stones at me...Words,especially the kind you peddle about will solve nothing,I agree with you there...
You peddle hatred and bitterness and prejudice and bigotry...keep it up and even I will come to decide that partition is the only way possible on our little motherland!!!

The Greek Cypriot people have been facing Turkish threats, persecutions, invasions, and occupations, for the last 400 odd years while your lazy oafs have been sitting on their back sides playing the Aga and enjoying the loots ever since we can remember, and you have the audacity today to complain? You haven't even started to see what it feels like to be threatened...

I know very well what the fear from EOKA was...And how it made me feel when I was only 5 years old...My great Uncle was killed in his sickbed in 1964,in the village of Hulu, at the age of 80, by some thugs who happened to be of GC background...don't talk to me about what happened 400 years ago...But I am not blaming the whole Greek and GC people for this act of barbarism...

The difference between a Mahatma Gandhi and a phony is that the latter promotes peace only AFTER he has the loot secured in his hands…

And the differnce between Gandhi and a fool is the latter promotes WAR when he should be looking for ways to peacefully reach out to his compatriots,at their hour of great need.

The ONLY things you ever promote is “The poor Turkish Cypriots have their hands tied up behind their backs”, despite the fact that they desecrate the land on a daily basis in ever-more inventive ways and parlay with Turkey threatening the GC people at will, AND your constant praising of Bananiot the staunch partitionist!

You’re so full of SHIT you give new meaning to the phrase!

The only Turkish Cypriots I have any respect for are Kikapu and Iceman. The first for telling it like it is and the second for mostly remaining quiet for good reasons, but here’s what I think of YOU Mahatma…

All I can say is "poor Kikapu and Iceman"...They have the respect of someone like YOU...They deserve much much better,GR...You have done them a great disservice...They have my condolences...They are great guys...

[Kikapu]

You try to shame the GCs into doing something you do not ask of the TCs.

You try to sound liberal, yet fail, as you do not actively attribute responsibility to the Turk-TCs.

Pretence at being exasperated with us is yet another of your tools (witnessed many times) as well as the .... "I told you so! It's all your fault !"

Perhaps we are sick of Turkish intransigence. Perhaps we are sick of having uninvited guests telling us what to do and how to do it. Especially when those guests hold the world record on how not to do things!

Your only goal seems to be to force the GCs to do your bidding!

Take responsibility!

You are wrong..I keep asking TCs to put their Turkishness behind at every opportunity...But I know the hopeless position they are now in and how little they can do realistically to change it...Show some empathy,Oracle...If you think and feel like you do,in your democratic country,how do the TCs feel under the boot of the Turkish Army????

What encouragement are you giving them to resist the occupation???
Can you really expect them to reject their Turkishness,and the only security they think they have in the whole world,and emrace what???The Greek flags???The Greek national anthem??? Get Real indeed...

If the TCs are going to get out of Turkey's clutches they will do it with the active help and encouragement of the GCs...An ironic truth which you do not seem to have considered...But I think Christofias has finally realised this,and is acting accordingly...I will just sit back now and wait for the lot of you to shoot him down for his realistic and progressive stand...

Bir,

I support your efforts in trying to make the TC's see their future in Cyprus and not being part of Turkey. You have always stood for Cypriots and continue to do so, so I reject all attacks against your character for being a True Cypriot and a true human being for the cause for all Cypriots. You have demonstrated over and over again that best place for the TC's is along side the GC's. Unfortunately forces beyond our control, what we wish for cannot be obtained because most TC's do not have the ability to help themselves from the clutches of those who have control over them. The only thing is going to free the True TC's is a True Settlement that is fair and just for all, otherwise the status quo will continue and no matter if all the Greek Flags came down in the south or the Greek National Anthem is no longer played, the TC's are stuck in the north. This is why I believe that Cyprus entering the EU in 2004 was the best thing that could have happened to find a settlement, because without that event, the north and south still be closed off today, so we have made progress but still have ways to go.

I know Greek flags as well as the Turkish flags are allowed to be flown in Cyprus under the 1960 Constitution, but for the life of me, I don't know why the Greek National Anthem is being played. Then again I don't understand why we have 2 huge flags painted on "graffiti mountain"in the north. they are both nothing but a "fuck you" from one community to the other. but I have hopes that with compromises made by both sides, we will see results emerging from these talks, because everyone has too much to lose, specially Turkey, if these talks fail. Thanks to the EU entry of Cyprus, we no longer need to hear Denktash say that 1974 settled the Cyprus disputes. The best days for Cyprus are yet to happen.

[Kifeas]

Who do you think you’re talking to? You think I buy this shit like some of my other foolish compatriots? Do you honestly think that the enormous problems, such as the importation of 150,000 Anatolian mullahs, the desecration of our hundreds of Churches and stolen artifacts, the prostitution of our land and homes, and myriads of other problems that Turkey and your community have created on this island can really be solved with words?

I am talking to you,GR...The person who talks tough but cannot even crawl yet...I have been talking about the mistakes of Turkey and the TCs before you even joined this Forum...My compassion and empathy with the GCs are beyond questioning by destructive warmongers like yourself...

Go and learn what I really stand for,what I really advocate for my homeland before throwing stones at me...Words,especially the kind you peddle about will solve nothing,I agree with you there...
You peddle hatred and bitterness and prejudice and bigotry...keep it up and even I will come to decide that partition is the only way possible on our little motherland!!!

The Greek Cypriot people have been facing Turkish threats, persecutions, invasions, and occupations, for the last 400 odd years while your lazy oafs have been sitting on their back sides playing the Aga and enjoying the loots ever since we can remember, and you have the audacity today to complain? You haven't even started to see what it feels like to be threatened...

I know very well what the fear from EOKA was...And how it made me feel when I was only 5 years old...My great Uncle was killed in his sickbed in 1964,in the village of Hulu, at the age of 80, by some thugs who happened to be of GC background...don't talk to me about what happened 400 years ago...But I am not blaming the whole Greek and GC people for this act of barbarism...

The difference between a Mahatma Gandhi and a phony is that the latter promotes peace only AFTER he has the loot secured in his hands…

And the differnce between Gandhi and a fool is the latter promotes WAR when he should be looking for ways to peacefully reach out to his compatriots,at their hour of great need.

The ONLY things you ever promote is “The poor Turkish Cypriots have their hands tied up behind their backs”, despite the fact that they desecrate the land on a daily basis in ever-more inventive ways and parlay with Turkey threatening the GC people at will, AND your constant praising of Bananiot the staunch partitionist!

You’re so full of SHIT you give new meaning to the phrase!

The only Turkish Cypriots I have any respect for are Kikapu and Iceman. The first for telling it like it is and the second for mostly remaining quiet for good reasons, but here’s what I think of YOU Mahatma…

Get Real, first of all, you are doing a terrible mistake in the way you judge and critisise Birkibrisli! Very terrible indeed!

Secondly, the way you appear lately in the forums is that of a totally misguided person! You open up discussion topics and reply to posts in an incensed way, akin to a fanatic, which you are not! The GC side has some very strong cards in its hands, both political and legal, to be in the need of making warmongering propaganda!

I suggest you take a break and some deep breaths and some exercising, and I am sure you will reconsider many of the arguments you are lately putting forward!

[halil]

You try to shame the GCs into doing something you do not ask of the TCs.

You try to sound liberal, yet fail, as you do not actively attribute responsibility to the Turk-TCs.

Pretence at being exasperated with us is yet another of your tools (witnessed many times) as well as the .... "I told you so! It's all your fault !"

Perhaps we are sick of Turkish intransigence. Perhaps we are sick of having uninvited guests telling us what to do and how to do it. Especially when those guests hold the world record on how not to do things!

Your only goal seems to be to force the GCs to do your bidding!

Take responsibility!

You are wrong..I keep asking TCs to put their Turkishness behind at every opportunity...But I know the hopeless position they are now in and how little they can do realistically to change it...Show some empathy,Oracle...If you think and feel like you do,in your democratic country,how do the TCs feel under the boot of the Turkish Army????

What encouragement are you giving them to resist the occupation???
Can you really expect them to reject their Turkishness,and the only security they think they have in the whole world,and emrace what???The Greek flags???The Greek national anthem??? Get Real indeed...

If the TCs are going to get out of Turkey's clutches they will do it with the active help and encouragement of the GCs...An ironic truth which you do not seem to have considered...But I think Christofias has finally realised this,and is acting accordingly...I will just sit back now and wait for the lot of you to shoot him down for his realistic and progressive stand...

Bir,

I support your efforts in trying to make the TC's see their future in Cyprus and not being part of Turkey. You have always stood for Cypriots and continue to do so, so I reject all attacks against your character for being a True Cypriot and a true human being for the cause for all Cypriots. You have demonstrated over and over again that best place for the TC's is along side the GC's. Unfortunately forces beyond our control, what we wish for cannot be obtained because most TC's do not have the ability to help themselves from the clutches of those who have control over them. The only thing is going to free the True TC's is a True Settlement that is fair and just for all, otherwise the status quo will continue and no matter if all the Greek Flags came down in the south or the Greek National Anthem is no longer played, the TC's are stuck in the north. This is why I believe that Cyprus entering the EU in 2004 was the best thing that could have happened to find a settlement, because without that event, the north and south still be closed off today, so we have made progress but still have ways to go.

I know Greek flags as well as the Turkish flags are allowed to be flown in Cyprus under the 1960 Constitution, but for the life of me, I don't know why the Greek National Anthem is being played. Then again I don't understand why we have 2 huge flags painted on "graffiti mountain"in the north. they are both nothing but a "fuck you" from one community to the other. but I have hopes that with compromises made by both sides, we will see results emerging from these talks, because everyone has too much to lose, specially Turkey, if these talks fail. Thanks to the EU entry of Cyprus, we no longer need to hear Denktash say that 1974 settled the Cyprus disputes. The best days for Cyprus are yet to happen.

Kikapu,
Key is in our hands not in EU ..... Wake up .....................

[BirKibrisli]

You try to shame the GCs into doing something you do not ask of the TCs.

You try to sound liberal, yet fail, as you do not actively attribute responsibility to the Turk-TCs.

Pretence at being exasperated with us is yet another of your tools (witnessed many times) as well as the .... "I told you so! It's all your fault !"

Perhaps we are sick of Turkish intransigence. Perhaps we are sick of having uninvited guests telling us what to do and how to do it. Especially when those guests hold the world record on how not to do things!

Your only goal seems to be to force the GCs to do your bidding!

Take responsibility!

You are wrong..I keep asking TCs to put their Turkishness behind at every opportunity...But I know the hopeless position they are now in and how little they can do realistically to change it...Show some empathy,Oracle...If you think and feel like you do,in your democratic country,how do the TCs feel under the boot of the Turkish Army????

What encouragement are you giving them to resist the occupation???
Can you really expect them to reject their Turkishness,and the only security they think they have in the whole world,and emrace what???The Greek flags???The Greek national anthem??? Get Real indeed...

If the TCs are going to get out of Turkey's clutches they will do it with the active help and encouragement of the GCs...An ironic truth which you do not seem to have considered...But I think Christofias has finally realised this,and is acting accordingly...I will just sit back now and wait for the lot of you to shoot him down for his realistic and progressive stand...

Bir,

I support your efforts in trying to make the TC's see their future in Cyprus and not being part of Turkey. You have always stood for Cypriots and continue to do so, so I reject all attacks against your character for being a True Cypriot and a true human being for the cause for all Cypriots. You have demonstrated over and over again that best place for the TC's is along side the GC's. Unfortunately forces beyond our control, what we wish for cannot be obtained because most TC's do not have the ability to help themselves from the clutches of those who have control over them. The only thing is going to free the True TC's is a True Settlement that is fair and just for all, otherwise the status quo will continue and no matter if all the Greek Flags came down in the south or the Greek National Anthem is no longer played, the TC's are stuck in the north. This is why I believe that Cyprus entering the EU in 2004 was the best thing that could have happened to find a settlement, because without that event, the north and south still be closed off today, so we have made progress but still have ways to go.

I know Greek flags as well as the Turkish flags are allowed to be flown in Cyprus under the 1960 Constitution, but for the life of me, I don't know why the Greek National Anthem is being played. Then again I don't understand why we have 2 huge flags painted on "graffiti mountain"in the north. they are both nothing but a "fuck you" from one community to the other. but I have hopes that with compromises made by both sides, we will see results emerging from these talks, because everyone has too much to lose, specially Turkey, if these talks fail. Thanks to the EU entry of Cyprus, we no longer need to hear Denktash say that 1974 settled the Cyprus disputes. The best days for Cyprus are yet to happen.

Hello, Kikapu....
I was about to go to bed,but seeing your wise post,cannot go without a little comment...Yes,there is no excuse for all those Turkish flags in the North,and the monstrosities on the mountains are certainly beyond the pale...But the simple fact is the TCs have no say over those flags. They have been robbed of any independence or autonomous will-power by 34 years of occupation,and more than 50 years of brainwashing...This is what the GCs are failing to appreciate..It is distressing for me to hear of all this talk of war,even from people I am very fond of...It makes me despair for the future of our homeland,and for any just solution in the near future...But perhaps Christofias will surprise everyone and show enough grit and determination to threat the TCs respectfully and with compassion...I am not talking about the vipers who have disgraced our country,but those who had absolutely no say in what happened to them for over 50 years...Here is to a better future than what we have had for donks...

[Get Real!]

Who do you think you’re talking to? You think I buy this shit like some of my other foolish compatriots? Do you honestly think that the enormous problems, such as the importation of 150,000 Anatolian mullahs, the desecration of our hundreds of Churches and stolen artifacts, the prostitution of our land and homes, and myriads of other problems that Turkey and your community have created on this island can really be solved with words?

I am talking to you,GR...The person who talks tough but cannot even crawl yet...I have been talking about the mistakes of Turkey and the TCs before you even joined this Forum...My compassion and empathy with the GCs are beyond questioning by destructive warmongers like yourself...

Go and learn what I really stand for,what I really advocate for my homeland before throwing stones at me...Words,especially the kind you peddle about will solve nothing,I agree with you there...
You peddle hatred and bitterness and prejudice and bigotry...keep it up and even I will come to decide that partition is the only way possible on our little motherland!!!

The Greek Cypriot people have been facing Turkish threats, persecutions, invasions, and occupations, for the last 400 odd years while your lazy oafs have been sitting on their back sides playing the Aga and enjoying the loots ever since we can remember, and you have the audacity today to complain? You haven't even started to see what it feels like to be threatened...

I know very well what the fear from EOKA was...And how it made me feel when I was only 5 years old...My great Uncle was killed in his sickbed in 1964,in the village of Hulu, at the age of 80, by some thugs who happened to be of GC background...don't talk to me about what happened 400 years ago...But I am not blaming the whole Greek and GC people for this act of barbarism...

The difference between a Mahatma Gandhi and a phony is that the latter promotes peace only AFTER he has the loot secured in his hands…

And the differnce between Gandhi and a fool is the latter promotes WAR when he should be looking for ways to peacefully reach out to his compatriots,at their hour of great need.

The ONLY things you ever promote is “The poor Turkish Cypriots have their hands tied up behind their backs”, despite the fact that they desecrate the land on a daily basis in ever-more inventive ways and parlay with Turkey threatening the GC people at will, AND your constant praising of Bananiot the staunch partitionist!

You’re so full of SHIT you give new meaning to the phrase!

The only Turkish Cypriots I have any respect for are Kikapu and Iceman. The first for telling it like it is and the second for mostly remaining quiet for good reasons, but here’s what I think of YOU Mahatma…

Get Real, first of all, you are doing a terrible mistake in the way you judge and critisise Birkibrisli! Very terrible indeed!

Secondly, the way you appear lately in the forums is that of a totally misguided person! You open up discussion topics and reply to posts in an incensed way, akin to a fanatic, which you are not! The GC side has some very strong cards in its hands, both political and legal, to be in the need of making warmongering propaganda!

I suggest you take a break and some deep breaths and some exercising, and I am sure you will reconsider many of the arguments you are lately putting forward!

The evidence is there for all who can read and understand English to see. Bir’s cheap “brotherly” posts just don’t cut it for me because Cyprus has VERY SERIOUS problems, the most important of which I consider to be the intentionally adjusted DEMOGRAPHICS which is a war crime in its own right.

Bir’s typical “Poor little Turkish Cypriots” attitude thereby washing their hands clean, in conjunction with his constant praising of partitionists like Bananiot, is a slap in the face and an insult to all Greek Cypriots, and I for one have had enough of it.

[Kifeas]

You try to shame the GCs into doing something you do not ask of the TCs.

You try to sound liberal, yet fail, as you do not actively attribute responsibility to the Turk-TCs.

Pretence at being exasperated with us is yet another of your tools (witnessed many times) as well as the .... "I told you so! It's all your fault !"

Perhaps we are sick of Turkish intransigence. Perhaps we are sick of having uninvited guests telling us what to do and how to do it. Especially when those guests hold the world record on how not to do things!

Your only goal seems to be to force the GCs to do your bidding!

Take responsibility!

You are wrong..I keep asking TCs to put their Turkishness behind at every opportunity...But I know the hopeless position they are now in and how little they can do realistically to change it...Show some empathy,Oracle...If you think and feel like you do,in your democratic country,how do the TCs feel under the boot of the Turkish Army????

What encouragement are you giving them to resist the occupation???
Can you really expect them to reject their Turkishness,and the only security they think they have in the whole world,and emrace what???The Greek flags???The Greek national anthem??? Get Real indeed...

If the TCs are going to get out of Turkey's clutches they will do it with the active help and encouragement of the GCs...An ironic truth which you do not seem to have considered...But I think Christofias has finally realised this,and is acting accordingly...I will just sit back now and wait for the lot of you to shoot him down for his realistic and progressive stand...

Bir,

I support your efforts in trying to make the TC's see their future in Cyprus and not being part of Turkey. You have always stood for Cypriots and continue to do so, so I reject all attacks against your character for being a True Cypriot and a true human being for the cause for all Cypriots. You have demonstrated over and over again that best place for the TC's is along side the GC's. Unfortunately forces beyond our control, what we wish for cannot be obtained because most TC's do not have the ability to help themselves from the clutches of those who have control over them. The only thing is going to free the True TC's is a True Settlement that is fair and just for all, otherwise the status quo will continue and no matter if all the Greek Flags came down in the south or the Greek National Anthem is no longer played, the TC's are stuck in the north. This is why I believe that Cyprus entering the EU in 2004 was the best thing that could have happened to find a settlement, because without that event, the north and south still be closed off today, so we have made progress but still have ways to go.

I know Greek flags as well as the Turkish flags are allowed to be flown in Cyprus under the 1960 Constitution, but for the life of me, I don't know why the Greek National Anthem is being played. Then again I don't understand why we have 2 huge flags painted on "graffiti mountain"in the north. they are both nothing but a "fuck you" from one community to the other. but I have hopes that with compromises made by both sides, we will see results emerging from these talks, because everyone has too much to lose, specially Turkey, if these talks fail. Thanks to the EU entry of Cyprus, we no longer need to hear Denktash say that 1974 settled the Cyprus disputes. The best days for Cyprus are yet to happen.

I would personally welcome any initiative on the part of Christofias in introducing a separate Cypriot national anthem! I have a feeling that this may be one of the steps he will take in the process, should a solution that will sort these things out for once and for good, will not be appearing on the horizon any time soon! As for the Greek flags, they are not used by the state, but mostly by private establishments, associations, clubs and individuals! The state institutions are primarily using the Cypriot flag! There are a few exceptions, but as a rule, this is the case! There is no way one can force these people not to use any symbols they choose, more so when it comes to the Greek flag! I personally wouldn’t welcome any such prohibition, firstly because it violates the freedom of expression and secondly because it will bring about exactly the opposite outcome, i.e. more heavy of the prohibited symbols, simply out of reaction!

[Kifeas]

Get Real, first of all, you are doing a terrible mistake in the way you judge and critisise Birkibrisli! Very terrible indeed!

Secondly, the way you appear lately in the forums is that of a totally misguided person! You open up discussion topics and reply to posts in an incensed way, akin to a fanatic, which you are not! The GC side has some very strong cards in its hands, both political and legal, to be in the need of making warmongering propaganda!

I suggest you take a break and some deep breaths and some exercising, and I am sure you will reconsider many of the arguments you are lately putting forward!

The evidence is there for all who can read and understand English to see. Bir’s cheap “brotherly” posts just don’t cut it for me because Cyprus has VERY SERIOUS problems, the most important of which I consider to be the intentionally adjusted DEMOGRAPHICS which is a war crime in its own right.

Bir’s typical “Poor little Turkish Cypriots” attitude thereby washing their hands clean, in conjunction with his constant praising of partitionists like Bananiot, is a slap in the face and an insult to all Greek Cypriots, and I for one have had enough of it.

Get Real, there is no such evidence as you suggest, and Bir’s posts are not “cheap” brotherly ones! They may not cut it for you, simply because you have lately become so incensed that you have lost vision of what is right from wrong, and what is the significant from the insignificant! Bir is probably among the last ones you may possibly hold responsible for the truly serious problems that Cyprus indeed faces! If you just look around you, even among some of your friends or relatives, I am sure you will find plenty to blame, if you so wish, for being truly responsible for this country’s mess! Start first from those throwing stones and /or yelling to any and every TC passing by outside the Apoel football club or outside the stadium parking lots! I am sure you know at least a few around you! “Idou pedeion doxis lambron,” to grab at least one of them from his ears (and balls if he has) and throw him into the nearest police station! It is about time you stop throwing misguided arrows around you, and start aiming more accuratelly!

[Kikapu]

I would personally welcome any initiative on the part of Christofias in introducing a separate Cypriot national anthem! I have a feeling that this may be one of the steps he will take in the process, should a solution that will sort these things out for once and for good, will not be appearing on the horizon any time soon! As for the Greek flags, they are not used by the state, but mostly by private establishments, associations, clubs and individuals! The state institutions are primarily using the Cypriot flag! There are a few exceptions, but as a rule, this is the case! There is no way one can force these people not to use any symbols they choose, more so when it comes to the Greek flag! I personally wouldn’t welcome any such prohibition, firstly because it violates the freedom of expression and secondly because it will bring about exactly the opposite outcome, i.e. more heavy of the prohibited symbols, simply out of reaction!

I'm sure if a solution is found, the first things to go will be the Greek National Anthem in the south and the 2 flags on the "graffiti mountain" in the north. As you said, private individuals will fly the Greek flag and the Turkish flags no matter what and I'm not against that, and in all honesty, even though I saw quiet a few Greek flags in the south last year, it was not as much as I expected nor did I feel offended. I see people flying their country flags from their cars right now in Switzerland getting ready for the Euro Football and no one is objecting. I was glad however, that when we took the boat ride in Ayia Napa to sail close to Famagusta, it only had one true flag, which was the Cypriot Flag.

[Viewpoint]

Bir have you had a taste of real GCs attitude even you a very liberal TC is seen as a threat and a conman for putting forward and supporting TCs fears and concerns unlike another poster who claims he is a TCs but is clearly not.