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How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby Oracle » Mon May 26, 2008 2:14 pm

Nikitas wrote:"Only the truly uneducated (or Turkish propagandists) would foolishly compare the destruction caused by the Ottoman Empire to that of Alexander the Great's Empire!"

Have you read Greek accounts of Alexander's campaigns? How he avenged the invasion of the Persians that had happened 150 years previoius to his expedition into Asia? There are some parts that astounded me, like the total annihiliation of the community of Greeks who had sided with the Persians and moved to central Asia. He killed every single one of their descendants! That is a pure application of the "dominant gene theory" if ever there was one. And above all do not forget that he, like our other illustrious ancestors, owned slaves.

It is fashionable in modern Greek intellectual circles to praise Alexander, and it is equally fashionabel to run down the Spartans. But the Spartans refused to participate in Alexander's eastward march because their laws prohibited a Spartan army from being commanded by non Spartans. That attitude should be more useful to us today than Alexander's imperial dreams.


I don't run down the Spartans .... :wink:

But I maintain no matter the negativities of the time of Alexander (thousands of years before the Ottomans) ... the disparity between the attitudes and achievements and most of the means such as they were for those times, between the Ottoman's and Alexander's Empires are more than academic.
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Postby BirKibrisli » Mon May 26, 2008 2:25 pm

Get Real! wrote:Who do you think you’re talking to? You think I buy this shit like some of my other foolish compatriots? Do you honestly think that the enormous problems, such as the importation of 150,000 Anatolian mullahs, the desecration of our hundreds of Churches and stolen artifacts, the prostitution of our land and homes, and myriads of other problems that Turkey and your community have created on this island can really be solved with words?


I am talking to you,GR...The person who talks tough but cannot even crawl yet...I have been talking about the mistakes of Turkey and the TCs before you even joined this Forum...My compassion and empathy with the GCs are beyond questioning by destructive warmongers like yourself...

Go and learn what I really stand for,what I really advocate for my homeland before throwing stones at me...Words,especially the kind you peddle about will solve nothing,I agree with you there...
You peddle hatred and bitterness and prejudice and bigotry...keep it up and even I will come to decide that partition is the only way possible on our little motherland!!! :( :(

The Greek Cypriot people have been facing Turkish threats, persecutions, invasions, and occupations, for the last 400 odd years while your lazy oafs have been sitting on their back sides playing the Aga and enjoying the loots ever since we can remember, and you have the audacity today to complain? You haven't even started to see what it feels like to be threatened...


I know very well what the fear from EOKA was...And how it made me feel when I was only 5 years old...My great Uncle was killed in his sickbed in 1964,in the village of Hulu, at the age of 80, by some thugs who happened to be of GC background...don't talk to me about what happened 400 years ago...But I am not blaming the whole Greek and GC people for this act of barbarism... :evil:

The difference between a Mahatma Gandhi and a phony is that the latter promotes peace only AFTER he has the loot secured in his hands…


And the differnce between Gandhi and a fool is the latter promotes WAR when he should be looking for ways to peacefully reach out to his compatriots,at their hour of great need. :evil:
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Postby Nikitas » Mon May 26, 2008 2:26 pm

Oracle, maybe so, but in the end they both owned slaves and in that sense they both belong to the same basket. On the other hand, if I recall correctly, the Byzantines abolised slavery in 1066, roughly 800 years before the liberal west. That was a major Greek achievement.
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Postby Oracle » Mon May 26, 2008 2:35 pm

Nikitas wrote:Oracle, maybe so, but in the end they both owned slaves and in that sense they both belong to the same basket. On the other hand, if I recall correctly, the Byzantines abolised slavery in 1066, roughly 800 years before the liberal west. That was a major Greek achievement.


Nikitas ... one had slaves (let's not go into the differences meted out in their treatment :roll: ) thousands of years before the other ... Surely you need to apply a little hindsight as to the acceptable differences inherent to the two time points in history.

As you rightly point out the Ottomans should have had the benefit of meeting a civilisation (Byzantium) which had already established the wrongs of such a practice .... but chose to ignore it and regress. That says something for the mentality of the Ottomans.
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Postby BirKibrisli » Mon May 26, 2008 2:52 pm

Oracle wrote:You try to shame the GCs into doing something you do not ask of the TCs.

You try to sound liberal, yet fail, as you do not actively attribute responsibility to the Turk-TCs.

Pretence at being exasperated with us is yet another of your tools (witnessed many times) as well as the .... "I told you so! It's all your fault !"

Perhaps we are sick of Turkish intransigence. Perhaps we are sick of having uninvited guests telling us what to do and how to do it. Especially when those guests hold the world record on how not to do things!

Your only goal seems to be to force the GCs to do your bidding!

Take responsibility!


You are wrong..I keep asking TCs to put their Turkishness behind at every opportunity...But I know the hopeless position they are now in and how little they can do realistically to change it...Show some empathy,Oracle...If you think and feel like you do,in your democratic country,how do the TCs feel under the boot of the Turkish Army????

What encouragement are you giving them to resist the occupation???
Can you really expect them to reject their Turkishness,and the only security they think they have in the whole world,and emrace what???The Greek flags???The Greek national anthem??? Get Real indeed... :evil:

If the TCs are going to get out of Turkey's clutches they will do it with the active help and encouragement of the GCs...An ironic truth which you do not seem to have considered...But I think Christofias has finally realised this,and is acting accordingly...I will just sit back now and wait for the lot of you to shoot him down for his realistic and progressive stand... :( :(
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Postby DT. » Mon May 26, 2008 3:01 pm

Nikitas wrote:Bir makes a valid point. We are either independent or we are not, and if we are independent then we have our own national symbols, anthem and so on.

Aditionally we GCs must understand the perceived fear that we inspire in TCs. It is irrelevant whether that fear is justified or not, it is there, the fear itself is a fact and we must deal with it. So far the only politician who has addressed this perception and the need to deal with it is Christofias in an interview on CYBC. The rest of the politicians behave as if this is irrelevant. Well it is very relevant to people who have been brought up with stories of bloodthirsty GCs ready to slaughter them. What is needed is proof for the TCs that this is not the case. HOw we provide that proof is a challenge to our collective inventiveness and ingenuity.


This is strange. I am the first in line for an all out apology on behalf of any eoka B phsycopaths that hurt any TC's. As said a million times before these animals that committed these atrocities should meet their makers in a very ugly way. Same goes for the TC's who comitted atrocities on the GC's during that same period. But for gods sake...wasn't the last violent act on this island a 40,000 troop invasion that landed on our homes? Yiannis and George of Achna did not start the coup, ALexis and ELena of Kyrenia did not kill any TC's, Maria and Stella of Morphou did not propose amendments to the constituion. Yet the only response I get when asked about the atrocities of 74 by a number of TC's on this forum is

"Well you had it coming"
"You reap what you sow"
"You made your bed and the heroic turkish army made you lie in it."
"It was payback for what you did to us"

Why is there a need to be sensitive about the 63 events but such a horrible disregard for the 100fold horrors of 74?
SHould there be a giant poster of Sampson on Troodos to remind our northern cousins of EOKA B just like 2 Turkish fags reminds us all of 74?


What is being done to calm the fears of the GC's for further violence?

It is one thing to stay balanced but another to comletely ignore the trauma felt by 200,000 GC's and the paranoia that has been passed down to younger generations.

I'll be a failure as a parent if my kids grow up hating the TC's. It is a fucking uphill struggle sometimes though.
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Postby Oracle » Mon May 26, 2008 3:04 pm

BirKibrisli wrote:
Oracle wrote:You try to shame the GCs into doing something you do not ask of the TCs.

You try to sound liberal, yet fail, as you do not actively attribute responsibility to the Turk-TCs.

Pretence at being exasperated with us is yet another of your tools (witnessed many times) as well as the .... "I told you so! It's all your fault !"

Perhaps we are sick of Turkish intransigence. Perhaps we are sick of having uninvited guests telling us what to do and how to do it. Especially when those guests hold the world record on how not to do things!

Your only goal seems to be to force the GCs to do your bidding!

Take responsibility!


You are wrong..I keep asking TCs to put their Turkishness behind at every opportunity...But I know the hopeless position they are now in and how little they can do realistically to change it...Show some empathy,Oracle...If you think and feel like you do,in your democratic country,how do the TCs feel under the boot of the Turkish Army????

What encouragement are you giving them to resist the occupation???
Can you really expect them to reject their Turkishness,and the only security they think they have in the whole world,and emrace what???The Greek flags???The Greek national anthem??? Get Real indeed... :evil:

If the TCs are going to get out of Turkey's clutches they will do it with the active help and encouragement of the GCs...An ironic truth which you do not seem to have considered...But I think Christofias has finally realised this,and is acting accordingly...I will just sit back now and wait for the lot of you to shoot him down for his realistic and progressive stand... :( :(


A valid post Bir. Good luck to all of us :wink:

We are worlds apart. The Greek mentality would feel like a failure to beg for assistance in the capacity in which you are placing the TCs.

Seems a bit rich to invade us then ask for assistance ... that I can never understand. But of course we would not invade anyone in the first place.
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Postby Get Real! » Mon May 26, 2008 3:09 pm

BirKibrisli wrote:
Get Real! wrote:Who do you think you’re talking to? You think I buy this shit like some of my other foolish compatriots? Do you honestly think that the enormous problems, such as the importation of 150,000 Anatolian mullahs, the desecration of our hundreds of Churches and stolen artifacts, the prostitution of our land and homes, and myriads of other problems that Turkey and your community have created on this island can really be solved with words?


I am talking to you,GR...The person who talks tough but cannot even crawl yet...I have been talking about the mistakes of Turkey and the TCs before you even joined this Forum...My compassion and empathy with the GCs are beyond questioning by destructive warmongers like yourself...

Go and learn what I really stand for,what I really advocate for my homeland before throwing stones at me...Words,especially the kind you peddle about will solve nothing,I agree with you there...
You peddle hatred and bitterness and prejudice and bigotry...keep it up and even I will come to decide that partition is the only way possible on our little motherland!!! :( :(

The Greek Cypriot people have been facing Turkish threats, persecutions, invasions, and occupations, for the last 400 odd years while your lazy oafs have been sitting on their back sides playing the Aga and enjoying the loots ever since we can remember, and you have the audacity today to complain? You haven't even started to see what it feels like to be threatened...


I know very well what the fear from EOKA was...And how it made me feel when I was only 5 years old...My great Uncle was killed in his sickbed in 1964,in the village of Hulu, at the age of 80, by some thugs who happened to be of GC background...don't talk to me about what happened 400 years ago...But I am not blaming the whole Greek and GC people for this act of barbarism... :evil:

The difference between a Mahatma Gandhi and a phony is that the latter promotes peace only AFTER he has the loot secured in his hands…


And the differnce between Gandhi and a fool is the latter promotes WAR when he should be looking for ways to peacefully reach out to his compatriots,at their hour of great need. :evil:

The ONLY things you ever promote is “The poor Turkish Cypriots have their hands tied up behind their backs”, despite the fact that they desecrate the land on a daily basis in ever-more inventive ways and parlay with Turkey threatening the GC people at will, AND your constant praising of Bananiot the staunch partitionist!

You’re so full of SHIT you give new meaning to the phrase!

The only Turkish Cypriots I have any respect for are Kikapu and Iceman. The first for telling it like it is and the second for mostly remaining quiet for good reasons, but here’s what I think of YOU Mahatma… Image
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Postby BirKibrisli » Mon May 26, 2008 3:10 pm

Oracle wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
Oracle wrote:You try to shame the GCs into doing something you do not ask of the TCs.

You try to sound liberal, yet fail, as you do not actively attribute responsibility to the Turk-TCs.

Pretence at being exasperated with us is yet another of your tools (witnessed many times) as well as the .... "I told you so! It's all your fault !"

Perhaps we are sick of Turkish intransigence. Perhaps we are sick of having uninvited guests telling us what to do and how to do it. Especially when those guests hold the world record on how not to do things!

Your only goal seems to be to force the GCs to do your bidding!

Take responsibility!


You are wrong..I keep asking TCs to put their Turkishness behind at every opportunity...But I know the hopeless position they are now in and how little they can do realistically to change it...Show some empathy,Oracle...If you think and feel like you do,in your democratic country,how do the TCs feel under the boot of the Turkish Army????

What encouragement are you giving them to resist the occupation???
Can you really expect them to reject their Turkishness,and the only security they think they have in the whole world,and emrace what???The Greek flags???The Greek national anthem??? Get Real indeed... :evil:

If the TCs are going to get out of Turkey's clutches they will do it with the active help and encouragement of the GCs...An ironic truth which you do not seem to have considered...But I think Christofias has finally realised this,and is acting accordingly...I will just sit back now and wait for the lot of you to shoot him down for his realistic and progressive stand... :( :(


A valid post Bir. Good luck to all of us :wink:


Amen... :)
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Postby DT. » Mon May 26, 2008 3:12 pm

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