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[Oracle]

My ambition is for Cyprus and Cypriots to cut the umbilical cords which ties us to Turkey and Greece ....

Bir you are living in the past and doing a disservice to GCs .....

We have moved on heaps, and are now equal partners with Greece in the EU.

Only the TCs need to be addressed and helped by your suggestions ..... Counsel them towards becoming fledgelings at least!

[bilako22]

I am talking about how on earth will we get the TCs to accept the withdrawal of the Turkish troops and not insist on unilateral intervension rights...

This is based on your fallacy that Turkish Cypriots control the presence of the Turkish military on Cyprus when in actual fact they control absolutely NOTHING. Turkey is simply using the Turkish Cypriots as an excuse to remain on the island and even if the Turkish Cypriots were to ask her to leave she would find another excuse to get her way.

One way that comes to my mind is to disarm the Cypriot Army after the solution,or as part of the solution,so that the TCs would not be scared to death of being annihilated...

And this is the part where you unveil your mask for all to see! Any country unfortunate enough to be a neighbor of trigger-happy Turkey will ALWAYS need as strong a military as possible… I dare say 10% or even 15% for defense. The BEST guarantee for Turkish Cypriots not to be “annihilated” is to stop their treasonous ways and start acting like bloody Cypriots for once, but you fail to make mention of that “little” problem your community has and pass the buck to the Greek Cypriots so that they may always remain defenseless and vulnerable to accommodate your community’s STUPIDITIES!

But it is okey..The world is not ready for such "foolish" ideas...It is better to talk about war,and the armed struggle for liberating our country...And our right to defend ourselves,even when we know we can't do such a thing realistically...

I’ll take my chances thank you, even at the risk of paying the ultimate price, but I’ll certainly not surrender to the blackmails of an UNIVITED minority constantly swimming upstream and parlaying with Turkey!

If you REALLY want to help your people start teaching some sense into their screwed up heads and quit asking the Greek Cypriots to forever accommodate those irresponsible fools! It's HIGH TIME your people starting facing up to their responsibilities and cut the bullshit, and if they do not listen then let them reap what they sow.

I know for a fact that my people are smart enough to be around for centuries if not millenniums to come but I don’t know about yours.

You can't say on one hand that the TCs have no say over their fate,and on the other ask me to make them see the wrongs of their ways...What good would it do???
I happen to agree with you. Their fate has not been in their hands for a long time...The Tcs have been the biggest losers in this bloody situation. So stop blaming the victims,GR...It is too facile and reprehensible...

I am trying to save all Cypriots from another catastrophy which would certainly follow if you keep going with your talk of war and change of the balance of power etc...Armed struggle by the EOKA and the TMT got us where we are today primarily..Plus Turkey's willingness to please the USA and the NATO...Plus the Greek Junta's stupidity...but that is all history now...Cyprus is in the EU and can afford to make a bold gesture to counter one of the excuses used by Turkey to stay in Cyprus...I guess I am expecting too much sense and sensibility from my compatriots who are hell bent on achieving martyrdom...I am warning you,GR...There are no more virgins left in Heaven,the Islamic fundamentalists have seen to that

What catastrophe? Is losing 10,000 or 20,000 men in a war against Turkey a catastrophe if it’s to remove the foreign invader once and for all from Cyprus? I don’t think so.

Do you know what a catastrophe REALLY is? It’s having a bunch of honor-less Turkish Nationalists forever up your arse backstabbing Cyprus like what most of your people are doing and have been doing for the last 400 odd years…

THAT IS THE CATASTROPHE!

A Catastrophe for me would be seeing one more person's blood shed in this mindless conflict...Let alone 20,000...What guarantee do you have that you will be able to remove the "foreign invader" once and for all???
Unless you have the menpower to occupy a defeated Turkey for the rest of eternity,you will only be inviting a catastrophe which will make the


present one look like a souvlaki party on the beach...

Cyprus will become another Constantinople.

[Nikitas]

"No , No , No . The Turks will just keep going until they win. Hardware and life to them is meaningless, they will sacrifice a million soldiers to win in Cyprus."

I have a deep dislike for the military way of thinking in general. But one thing the strategists say is true, the moment an army moves to fight it creates a long logistics tail. You cut off that tail you disable the army. No ships and planes to bring over hardware and supplies and what you have is 40 000 tourists with rifles. The Turkish general staff know this and that is precisely they have such a maniacal determination to prevent Greek reinforcement of Cyprus. Hence the silly exercises in the south of Crete. They fear having their exposed tail cut off.

You cannot load a rifle with heroism, you need bullets.

[bilako22]

[quote="Nikitas"]"No , No , No . The Turks will just keep going until they win. Hardware and life to them is meaningless, they will sacrifice a million soldiers to win in Cyprus."

I have a deep dislike for the military way of thinking in general. But one thing the strategists say is true, the moment an army moves to fight it creates a long logistics tail. You cut off that tail you disable the army. No ships and planes to bring over hardware and supplies and what you have is 40 000 tourists with rifles. The Turkish general staff know this and that is precisely they have such a maniacal determination to prevent Greek reinforcement of Cyprus. Hence the silly exercises in the south of Crete. They fear having their exposed tail cut off.

You cannot load a rifle with heroism, you need bullets.[/qu

A short tail is far superior to a long one , a fact that the planes from Greece discovered in 1974.

[boomerang]

"No , No , No . The Turks will just keep going until they win. Hardware and life to them is meaningless, they will sacrifice a million soldiers to win in Cyprus."

I have a deep dislike for the military way of thinking in general. But one thing the strategists say is true, the moment an army moves to fight it creates a long logistics tail. You cut off that tail you disable the army. No ships and planes to bring over hardware and supplies and what you have is 40 000 tourists with rifles. The Turkish general staff know this and that is precisely they have such a maniacal determination to prevent Greek reinforcement of Cyprus. Hence the silly exercises in the south of Crete. They fear having their exposed tail cut off.

You cannot load a rifle with heroism, you need bullets.[/qu

A short tail is far superior to a long one , a fact that the planes from Greece discovered in 1974.

On the subject of tails...have you lost yours yet?

[Get Real!]

A short tail is far superior to a long one , a fact that the planes from Greece discovered in 1974.

Never mind Turkey’s tails... in the event of a military conflict it's the tail-less Turkish Cypriots you should be worrying about...

[Nikitas]

"A short tail is far superior to a long one , a fact that the planes from Greece discovered in 1974."

There were no planes from Greece flying to Cyprus to engage the Turkish air force. A few ancient transports moved a few dozen commandos and that was that. Which makes the whole 1974 operation a military joke in the sense that it was essentially unopposed. The daily used 40 mile logistic link between the Turkish army in Cyprus and its home base is far more vulnerable than any others in the Med. That by the way is a near direct quote from a Turkish army officer who shall remain nameless for obvious reasons.

[BirKibrisli]

My ambition is for Cyprus and Cypriots to cut the umbilical cords which ties us to Turkey and Greece ....

Bir you are living in the past and doing a disservice to GCs .....

We have moved on heaps, and are now equal partners with Greece in the EU.

Only the TCs need to be addressed and helped by your suggestions ..... Counsel them towards becoming fledgelings at least!

We all have a long way to before we can consider ourselves Cypriots,an independent an sovereign nation confident in our own culture and traditions...The GCs can start with the symbols of nationhood,Oracle,and do something about the Greek flag and the Greek national anthem...I would say the same thing to the TCs,but they have little say over their own fates,I am afraid...

[BirKibrisli]

"A short tail is far superior to a long one , a fact that the planes from Greece discovered in 1974."

There were no planes from Greece flying to Cyprus to engage the Turkish air force. A few ancient transports moved a few dozen commandos and that was that. Which makes the whole 1974 operation a military joke in the sense that it was essentially unopposed. The daily used 40 mile logistic link between the Turkish army in Cyprus and its home base is far more vulnerable than any others in the Med. That by the way is a near direct quote from a Turkish army officer who shall remain nameless for obvious reasons.

If they know where the weakest link is,Nikitas,they have probably taken all the precautions to make their tail as sharp and strong as possible...
My firm belief is that Wars do not decide anything...Peace, trust,understanding ,and goodwill is the way to go...If,by some miracle,the CNG manages to cut Turkey's tail (and her wings too I imagine) and defeat the 40,000 troops already in the North...Would it lead to a lasting peace or trust or understanding or goodwill...????I dare say not...After the bloodshed and the human misery it would unleash,all we will have would be another standoff,another war waiting to happen...This circle must be broken in Cyprus...Too many generations have been going through all sorts of pain and suffering already..We must never even THINK about a war any more...It would be sheer lunacy...

[Get Real!]

My firm belief is that Wars do not decide anything...Peace, trust,understanding ,and goodwill is the way to go...

Your firm belief can only be stemming from wishful thinking because so far violence has decided pretty much everything in the history of mankind. Even your very own community the Turkish Cypriots, are the product of a violence that began in 1570 against Cyprus.