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[bilako22]

Muzzy, dont those who want to establish the 'TRNC' (or Turkish colony on north Cyprus) prefer to give more rights to Turkish settlers from Anatolia than indigenous Cypriots themselves. I think this constitutes you surrending your Cypriot identity (if you ever had one that is).

Usual greek lies . Evidence?

haha - Bilako, did you type this response without thinking first???

I gave it all the thought that was required.

[miltiades]

Said the Plonker !!

[bilako22]

Cyprus is an island. Its dwellers are Cypriots. You may think you know a lot about "Greeks" or "Turks", but to me and my village dwellers, the land, as its Stewards, is more important to us than your labels.

The word "cypriot" is merely a geographical term and is the same as calling a German or Frenchman "Eurpopean"

[BirKibrisli]

Bir said:

"The "annihilation " threat was, of course,greatly exaggerated.By Denktash and Co whose aim was Taksim from the very beginning..."

The irony is that a purely Cypriot deal, among GCs and TCs with no outside interference, which culminated in partition would not be so unpalatable. What makes the idea of partition totally unaccepatble is that it was projected as new Turkish conquest. It is funny that Denktash could not see this objection, maybe Taksim was not in his plans as much as a reconquest by Turkey. If I am not mistaken the plan formulated by the Turkish general staff in the 50s had the code name Retaking of Cyprus.

On the other side, the Greek side, one often hears older Greek army officers talking about "taking Cyprus" which shows the idea of Enosis to have been equally misleading. They said Enosis when they meant conquest.

Our two motherlands seem to be in tune as to the treatment they mete out to us, following to the letter the old saying: "the one you showed me was not the one you stuck me with".

Denktash was and is a Turanist,Nikitas...He believes in Greater Turkey,uniting all the Turkic people of the world under one flag, in one nation state,under the same leader,preferably himself....I am sure you have had similarly dangerous people on the GC/Greek side.They might not have had the opportunities our Denktash Baba had to shine so brightly...

Hey Birkibrisli, could you please tell me what you mean by the term 'True Republic of Cyprus' ?

Sure,Muzzy...The True Republic is the one signed in 1959 and came into existence in 1960 (August if I am not mistaken)...The one and only agrement we have managed to achieve in our,relatively,short history...

An agreement not worth the paper it was written on./

Yet,my dear Muzzy,it is the only rights we have in this world as TCs....

Make no mistake about it...if we don't demand our rights under that agreement we are lost forever in the great Turkish sea...That might suit you well,but not me...I want to be a Cypriot of Turkish background with head held high,living with dignity and integrity in my own country,Cyprus...

[Nikitas]

Bir said:
"
I know you guys don't really believe this fear is real,but it is.Very much so..."

Bir, I have always believed that the fear of TCs that GCs are going to annihilate them is very real. In past debates with VP I have pointed to this perception and how I believe that whether it is based on facts or not, it must be respected. After all, if we say we are compatriots then we must have empathy for the fears of our compatriots regardless of their factual foundation.

Starting from this point of accepting and respecting this fear, the GCs must demostrate beyond doubt that there will be no danger to TCs. I have thought of several ways to do this, like having a TC as chief of police, a more numerous TC police than GC police so that TCs feel secure, but all this to happen within the context of Cypriots among ourselves, because the GC fear is of Turkey's intentions and plans for the island and as long as the Turkish army is here the fears of the two communities will always afect attempts to live normal lives.

[Kifeas]

Bir said:
"
I know you guys don't really believe this fear is real,but it is.Very much so..."

Bir, I have always believed that the fear of TCs that GCs are going to annihilate them is very real. In past debates with VP I have pointed to this perception and how I believe that whether it is based on facts or not, it must be respected. After all, if we say we are compatriots then we must have empathy for the fears of our compatriots regardless of their factual foundation.

Starting from this point of accepting and respecting this fear, the GCs must demostrate beyond doubt that there will be no danger to TCs. I have thought of several ways to do this, like having a TC as chief of police, a more numerous TC police than GC police so that TCs feel secure, but all this to happen within the context of Cypriots among ourselves, because the GC fear is of Turkey's intentions and plans for the island and as long as the Turkish army is here the fears of the two communities will always afect attempts to live normal lives.

Nikitas, because of the fact of this (unrealistic) fear that the TCs have, the GC side is and has always been willing to examine ways and accept solutions that would somehow reduce our country from that of a purely sovereign and independed nation, in order to alleviate it! Unfortunately, the only way the TCs want this (unrealistic) fear of theirs to be alleviated, is through the re-incorporation and /or maintenance of what we GCs maintain as a (very realist) fear in our minds, which is the unilateral intervention rights of Turkey!

Why the one is a realistic fear, and the other one is not, it can be argued, explained and proved very easily; however, the TCs seem not to be “willing” or are “allowed” to think or even hear about it, simply because it doesn't suit the interests of the "motherland!"

[BirKibrisli]

Bir said:
"
I know you guys don't really believe this fear is real,but it is.Very much so..."

Bir, I have always believed that the fear of TCs that GCs are going to annihilate them is very real. In past debates with VP I have pointed to this perception and how I believe that whether it is based on facts or not, it must be respected. After all, if we say we are compatriots then we must have empathy for the fears of our compatriots regardless of their factual foundation.

Starting from this point of accepting and respecting this fear, the GCs must demostrate beyond doubt that there will be no danger to TCs. I have thought of several ways to do this, like having a TC as chief of police, a more numerous TC police than GC police so that TCs feel secure, but all this to happen within the context of Cypriots among ourselves, because the GC fear is of Turkey's intentions and plans for the island and as long as the Turkish army is here the fears of the two communities will always afect attempts to live normal lives.

Nikitas, because of the fact of this (unrealistic) fear that the TCs have, the GC side is and has always been willing to examine ways and accept solutions that would somehow reduce our country from that of a purely sovereign and independed nation, in order to alleviate it! Unfortunately, the only way the TCs want this (unrealistic) fear of theirs to be alleviated, is through the re-incorporation and /or maintenance of what we GCs maintain as a (very realist) fear in our minds, which is the unilateral intervention rights of Turkey!

Why the one is a realistic fear, and the other one is not, it can be argued, explained and proved very easily; however, the TCs seem not to be “willing” or are “allowed” to think or even hear about it, simply because it doesn't suit the interests of the "motherland!"

The brainwashing is truly too strong,dear Kifeas...And it goes back a long way,as you know well...It will need something of monumental scope to shift it...I know this is not acceptable to you,but something like complete and unilateral disarmament,and collection of all the weapons from the people,might do it...But if you said "who will protect us from Turkey?" I can only ask another question "Can all the armaments the NG has now protect Cyprus from Turkey????" If the realistic answer is "NO" then we might as well not have a NG...I know this is drastic but nothing short of this will make the TCs feel safe....

[Paphitis]

Bir said:
"
I know you guys don't really believe this fear is real,but it is.Very much so..."

Bir, I have always believed that the fear of TCs that GCs are going to annihilate them is very real. In past debates with VP I have pointed to this perception and how I believe that whether it is based on facts or not, it must be respected. After all, if we say we are compatriots then we must have empathy for the fears of our compatriots regardless of their factual foundation.

Starting from this point of accepting and respecting this fear, the GCs must demostrate beyond doubt that there will be no danger to TCs. I have thought of several ways to do this, like having a TC as chief of police, a more numerous TC police than GC police so that TCs feel secure, but all this to happen within the context of Cypriots among ourselves, because the GC fear is of Turkey's intentions and plans for the island and as long as the Turkish army is here the fears of the two communities will always afect attempts to live normal lives.

Nikitas, because of the fact of this (unrealistic) fear that the TCs have, the GC side is and has always been willing to examine ways and accept solutions that would somehow reduce our country from that of a purely sovereign and independed nation, in order to alleviate it! Unfortunately, the only way the TCs want this (unrealistic) fear of theirs to be alleviated, is through the re-incorporation and /or maintenance of what we GCs maintain as a (very realist) fear in our minds, which is the unilateral intervention rights of Turkey!

Why the one is a realistic fear, and the other one is not, it can be argued, explained and proved very easily; however, the TCs seem not to be “willing” or are “allowed” to think or even hear about it, simply because it doesn't suit the interests of the "motherland!"

The brainwashing is truly too strong,dear Kifeas...And it goes back a long way,as you know well...It will need something of monumental scope to shift it...I know this is not acceptable to you,but something like complete and unilateral disarmament,and collection of all the weapons from the people,might do it...But if you said "who will protect us from Turkey?" I can only ask another question "Can all the armaments the NG has now protect Cyprus from Turkey????" If the realistic answer is "NO" then we might as well not have a NG...I know this is drastic but nothing short of this will make the TCs feel safe....

Not only should the CNG not be dispanded, but defence spending should double, perhaps triple.

[BirKibrisli]

Bir said:
"
I know you guys don't really believe this fear is real,but it is.Very much so..."

Bir, I have always believed that the fear of TCs that GCs are going to annihilate them is very real. In past debates with VP I have pointed to this perception and how I believe that whether it is based on facts or not, it must be respected. After all, if we say we are compatriots then we must have empathy for the fears of our compatriots regardless of their factual foundation.

Starting from this point of accepting and respecting this fear, the GCs must demostrate beyond doubt that there will be no danger to TCs. I have thought of several ways to do this, like having a TC as chief of police, a more numerous TC police than GC police so that TCs feel secure, but all this to happen within the context of Cypriots among ourselves, because the GC fear is of Turkey's intentions and plans for the island and as long as the Turkish army is here the fears of the two communities will always afect attempts to live normal lives.

Nikitas, because of the fact of this (unrealistic) fear that the TCs have, the GC side is and has always been willing to examine ways and accept solutions that would somehow reduce our country from that of a purely sovereign and independed nation, in order to alleviate it! Unfortunately, the only way the TCs want this (unrealistic) fear of theirs to be alleviated, is through the re-incorporation and /or maintenance of what we GCs maintain as a (very realist) fear in our minds, which is the unilateral intervention rights of Turkey!

Why the one is a realistic fear, and the other one is not, it can be argued, explained and proved very easily; however, the TCs seem not to be “willing” or are “allowed” to think or even hear about it, simply because it doesn't suit the interests of the "motherland!"

The brainwashing is truly too strong,dear Kifeas...And it goes back a long way,as you know well...It will need something of monumental scope to shift it...I know this is not acceptable to you,but something like complete and unilateral disarmament,and collection of all the weapons from the people,might do it...But if you said "who will protect us from Turkey?" I can only ask another question "Can all the armaments the NG has now protect Cyprus from Turkey????" If the realistic answer is "NO" then we might as well not have a NG...I know this is drastic but nothing short of this will make the TCs feel safe....

Not only should the CNG not be dispanded, but defence spending should double, perhaps triple.

And what would that achieve exactly,dear compatriot,apart from economic hardship for the majority of Cypriots????

[Paphitis]

Bir said:
"
I know you guys don't really believe this fear is real,but it is.Very much so..."

Bir, I have always believed that the fear of TCs that GCs are going to annihilate them is very real. In past debates with VP I have pointed to this perception and how I believe that whether it is based on facts or not, it must be respected. After all, if we say we are compatriots then we must have empathy for the fears of our compatriots regardless of their factual foundation.

Starting from this point of accepting and respecting this fear, the GCs must demostrate beyond doubt that there will be no danger to TCs. I have thought of several ways to do this, like having a TC as chief of police, a more numerous TC police than GC police so that TCs feel secure, but all this to happen within the context of Cypriots among ourselves, because the GC fear is of Turkey's intentions and plans for the island and as long as the Turkish army is here the fears of the two communities will always afect attempts to live normal lives.

Nikitas, because of the fact of this (unrealistic) fear that the TCs have, the GC side is and has always been willing to examine ways and accept solutions that would somehow reduce our country from that of a purely sovereign and independed nation, in order to alleviate it! Unfortunately, the only way the TCs want this (unrealistic) fear of theirs to be alleviated, is through the re-incorporation and /or maintenance of what we GCs maintain as a (very realist) fear in our minds, which is the unilateral intervention rights of Turkey!

Why the one is a realistic fear, and the other one is not, it can be argued, explained and proved very easily; however, the TCs seem not to be “willing” or are “allowed” to think or even hear about it, simply because it doesn't suit the interests of the "motherland!"

The brainwashing is truly too strong,dear Kifeas...And it goes back a long way,as you know well...It will need something of monumental scope to shift it...I know this is not acceptable to you,but something like complete and unilateral disarmament,and collection of all the weapons from the people,might do it...But if you said "who will protect us from Turkey?" I can only ask another question "Can all the armaments the NG has now protect Cyprus from Turkey????" If the realistic answer is "NO" then we might as well not have a NG...I know this is drastic but nothing short of this will make the TCs feel safe....

Not only should the CNG not be dispanded, but defence spending should double, perhaps triple.

And what would that achieve exactly,dear compatriot,apart from economic hardship for the majority of Cypriots????

The defence of our homeland dear compatriot. Our right to defence still remains our fundamental right. and these talks will fail.

You may have a fear of anihilation, but so do we at the hands of the Turkish Army.