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[BirKibrisli]

Bir said:

"The "annihilation " threat was, of course,greatly exaggerated.By Denktash and Co whose aim was Taksim from the very beginning..."

The irony is that a purely Cypriot deal, among GCs and TCs with no outside interference, which culminated in partition would not be so unpalatable. What makes the idea of partition totally unaccepatble is that it was projected as new Turkish conquest. It is funny that Denktash could not see this objection, maybe Taksim was not in his plans as much as a reconquest by Turkey. If I am not mistaken the plan formulated by the Turkish general staff in the 50s had the code name Retaking of Cyprus.

On the other side, the Greek side, one often hears older Greek army officers talking about "taking Cyprus" which shows the idea of Enosis to have been equally misleading. They said Enosis when they meant conquest.

Our two motherlands seem to be in tune as to the treatment they mete out to us, following to the letter the old saying: "the one you showed me was not the one you stuck me with".

Denktash was and is a Turanist,Nikitas...He believes in Greater Turkey,uniting all the Turkic people of the world under one flag, in one nation state,under the same leader,preferably himself....I am sure you have had similarly dangerous people on the GC/Greek side.They might not have had the opportunities our Denktash Baba had to shine so brightly...

Hey Birkibrisli, could you please tell me what you mean by the term 'True Republic of Cyprus' ?

Sure,Muzzy...The True Republic is the one signed in 1959 and came into existence in 1960 (August if I am not mistaken)...The one and only agrement we have managed to achieve in our,relatively,short history...

[BirKibrisli]

Apropos Turanism, it reminds me of that time that the late Turgut Ozal had visited one of the central Asian republics shortly after the fall of the Soviet empire. The locals dressed him (much to his distaste) in folk dress and then he had to listen to the local leader who said "we are the true Turks, not you" in a friendly tone obviously.

The incident reminded me of the times that GCs tried to tell mainland Greeks that union between Cyprus and Greece is not a one way street, that Cypriots had something valuable to bring to the new entity which would result from this union (presumably between equals). The expression of distaste in their faces was identical to that of Ozal during that quaint ceremony!

There was never a true intention of Enosis or Taksim, in each case it was thinly veiled conquest by the motherlands. And Cypriots like dumb asses fought and killed each other in a proxy fight that the motherlands had no stomach to carry out among themselves. We are a funny lot!

I remember the incident with Ozal...They told him something like " you left looking like Mongols,now you come back looking like everyone else in Europe...."words to that effect...

Do you think we are ever likely to learn our lessons,Nikitas???
Or will be always be suckers for our mothers' false affections??????

[Rebel.Without.A.Pause]

Muzzy, dont those who want to establish the 'TRNC' (or Turkish colony on north Cyprus) prefer to give more rights to Turkish settlers from Anatolia than indigenous Cypriots themselves. I think this constitutes you surrending your Cypriot identity (if you ever had one that is).

Usual greek lies . Evidence?

haha - Bilako, did you type this response without thinking first???

[Viewpoint]

Bir said:

"The "annihilation " threat was, of course,greatly exaggerated.By Denktash and Co whose aim was Taksim from the very beginning..."

The irony is that a purely Cypriot deal, among GCs and TCs with no outside interference, which culminated in partition would not be so unpalatable. What makes the idea of partition totally unaccepatble is that it was projected as new Turkish conquest. It is funny that Denktash could not see this objection, maybe Taksim was not in his plans as much as a reconquest by Turkey. If I am not mistaken the plan formulated by the Turkish general staff in the 50s had the code name Retaking of Cyprus.

On the other side, the Greek side, one often hears older Greek army officers talking about "taking Cyprus" which shows the idea of Enosis to have been equally misleading. They said Enosis when they meant conquest.

Our two motherlands seem to be in tune as to the treatment they mete out to us, following to the letter the old saying: "the one you showed me was not the one you stuck me with".

Denktash was and is a Turanist,Nikitas...He believes in Greater Turkey,uniting all the Turkic people of the world under one flag, in one nation state,under the same leader,preferably himself....I am sure you have had similarly dangerous people on the GC/Greek side.They might not have had the opportunities our Denktash Baba had to shine so brightly...

Hey Birkibrisli, could you please tell me what you mean by the term 'True Republic of Cyprus' ?

Sure,Muzzy...The True Republic is the one signed in 1959 and came into existence in 1960 (August if I am not mistaken)...The one and only agrement we have managed to achieve in our,relatively,short history...

The Gcs didn't want this agreement back then what makes you believe they would let you return to it today? have they ever put this on the table as is? how long do you think it would be before they raised Akritas 2?

[repulsewarrior]

Bir said:

"The "annihilation " threat was, of course,greatly exaggerated.By Denktash and Co whose aim was Taksim from the very beginning..."

The irony is that a purely Cypriot deal, among GCs and TCs with no outside interference, which culminated in partition would not be so unpalatable. What makes the idea of partition totally unaccepatble is that it was projected as new Turkish conquest. It is funny that Denktash could not see this objection, maybe Taksim was not in his plans as much as a reconquest by Turkey. If I am not mistaken the plan formulated by the Turkish general staff in the 50s had the code name Retaking of Cyprus.

On the other side, the Greek side, one often hears older Greek army officers talking about "taking Cyprus" which shows the idea of Enosis to have been equally misleading. They said Enosis when they meant conquest.

Our two motherlands seem to be in tune as to the treatment they mete out to us, following to the letter the old saying: "the one you showed me was not the one you stuck me with".

...true

during the negociations for the Treaty of Zurich, Turkey Greece and Britain, were quite prepared to divide the island as it is today.

It was Makarios who kept it a whole

[repulsewarrior]

vp, get over it, Enosis is won. there is no longer a quest to unify Cyprus with Greece, and in essence this 'wider' Greece is a reality with the union of the 'occidental' world into the EU.

[Viewpoint]

vp, get over it, Enosis is won. there is no longer a quest to unify Cyprus with Greece, and in essence this 'wider' Greece is a reality with the union of the 'occidental' world into the EU.

What are you talking about? its out of contextö the GCs do not want to share with TCs as equals or allow us the right to say no when the majority try to force their will on us.

[repulsewarrior]

There were GC's and TC's, (thanks to the Intolerance of the interlocutors). Now there are Cypriots, since 1960, who are members of a European State (since 2004).

Ironic that Turkey will continue to depend on Greece and Cyprus, to temper the extremes in the EU, toward their own membership.

[Viewpoint]

There were GC's and TC's, (thanks to the Intolerance of the interlocutors). Now there are Cypriots, since 1960, who are members of a European State (since 2004).

Ironic that Turkey will continue to depend on Greece and Cyprus, to temper the extremes in the EU, toward their own membership.

Again you write words with no meaning. We have never been just Cypriots that belief has not developed in the majority as the GCs wanted to make us all Greek. 34 years of division has made us less Cypriot and more bound to our countries and people. The south is like another country we are less a part of your country as you are of the TRNC.

[repulsewarrior]

Cyprus is an island. Its dwellers are Cypriots. You may think you know a lot about "Greeks" or "Turks", but to me and my village dwellers, the land, as its Stewards, is more important to us than your labels.