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[Muzzy70]

Alexiss I think the political circles in Turkey, and the TRNC for that matter, know that Turkish membership of the EU is highly unlikely, with or without a solution to the Cyprus question. The problem of inter-communal conflict was most certainly solved in 1974 as was the issue of enosis. This is not an issue about a taste of our own medicine, but as a community it is inevitable that we won't wait forever.

[Piratis]

Piratis & Alexiss: Try and be rational fellas. Any failure concerning the upcoming talks WILL result in a T/C referendum for that community to decide it's own fate. There has been no solution to the Cyprus 'problem' for so long now because there was never the will for compromise on the part of both communities. Hopefully this will change but the biggest obstacle to a solution is the clear G/C refusal to accept the T/C's as political equals and a total unwillingness to share power. That, dear friends, is why the Annan Plan was rejected by the Greek Cypriot community. You either accept us or you don't. If you don't then unfortunately the division WILL be permanent.

You can decide your own fate any time you want. What you can not decide is the fate of lands that belong by 80% to us. What you can do is only illegally occupy them, and face the consequences of your illegalities.

We have no problem to accept each TC as equal citizen of this country, and for the TC minority to have their proportional share in power.

What we will not accept if for TCs to rule over lands that belong to us, and for for each TC to have 4.5 times more say than each GC. In a democracy 1 person = 1 vote, regardless of the race of the person.

[Piratis]

but as a community it is inevitable that we won't wait forever.

When did you "wait" my friend? Didn't you declare the pseudo state in 1983 and now pretend that there are two separate countries in Cyprus?

Turkey and TCs keep trying to legalize partition and keep failing because it is not up to you to legalize your own crimes.

[wallace]

Alexiss I think the political circles in Turkey, and the TRNC for that matter, know that Turkish membership of the EU is highly unlikely, with or without a solution to the Cyprus question. The problem of inter-communal conflict was most certainly solved in 1974 as was the issue of enosis. This is not an issue about a taste of our own medicine, but as a community it is inevitable that we won't wait forever.

You solve inter-communal conflicts which was started from your side with cleansing 200.000 people from their homes and lands? You call that solving? The world calls it war crimes!. We are the ones waiting and we have patience you plonker. You will move from our lands 1 day! Now FO back to turkey=fascist state

[Muzzy70]

Piratis, sadly there will be no prospect of a solution until you acknowledge the role that your community played in the sad history of the island. The T/C's did not embark on a lunatic adventure to secure Cyprus' subjection to another state. We did not accept the independence agreements in 1960 with the intention of dishonouring them as soon as we could. We did not prepare and try to impose a clandestine plan to overthrow the Republic and to abrigate the treaties on which it was based. We did not attack and try to annihilate by force the other Cypriot community. We did not persecute them for years afterwards when they refused to succumb. We did not secretly bring into the island thousands of foreign troops in an attempt to create a fait accompli of its annexation to another state. And, it was not we who either provoked or launched the bloody coup in 1974 which compellled Turkey to intervene in Cyprus in order to protect the Turkish Cypriot community from annihalation from a regime headed by a homicidal maniac.

I would like to meet you in the event of a just Cyprus solution where some rationality and understanding about where each community is coming from is paramount in any conversation about the Cyprus issue. We married, we seperated and now we're trying to get back together.......but if that fails then divorce is the only option.

[74LB]

Alexiss I think the political circles in Turkey, and the TRNC for that matter, know that Turkish membership of the EU is highly unlikely, with or without a solution to the Cyprus question. The problem of inter-communal conflict was most certainly solved in 1974 as was the issue of enosis. This is not an issue about a taste of our own medicine, but as a community it is inevitable that we won't wait forever.

You solve inter-communal conflicts which was started from your side with cleansing 200.000 people from their homes and lands? You call that solving? The world calls it war crimes!. We are the ones waiting and we have patience you plonker. You will move from our lands 1 day! Now FO back to turkey=fascist state

With all due respect, the conflict did not begin in 1974.

[alexISS]

Alexiss I think the political circles in Turkey, and the TRNC for that matter, know that Turkish membership of the EU is highly unlikely

That's true, but I'm sure you know that what matters most for the Turkish government is not the actual accession, but remaining on the accession track.

The problem of inter-communal conflict was most certainly solved in 1974 as was the issue of enosis.

The "conflict problem" could also be "solved" in many other ways, ie expelling the ones who started the conflicts, and those were a bunch of TC extremists, but that "solution" would not suit Turkey's interests, would it?

As for the "enosis" issue, if I'm not mistaken the TC community had an equally extremist desire called "Taksim". So you "solved" the "enosis" issue by materializing "Taksim", which was your own version of "enosis"... well done!

This is not an issue about a taste of our own medicine, but as a community it is inevitable that we won't wait forever.

Not forever, but how about waiting for 30 more years, as many as you've kept the Greek Cypriots waiting?!?

[Paphitis]

Once again a thread descends into farce ! Again we have G/C's going on about 'majority' poulation(s) etc, etc. Wake up to the fact that Cyprus is for all Cypriots!

A correction Iceman. The Annan Plan which was on the table at Copenhagen was far less favourable to the T/C community than the one which was put to a referendum. The G/C's were always a shoe in for EU membership.

Piratis & Alexiss: Try and be rational fellas. Any failure concerning the upcoming talks WILL result in a T/C referendum for that community to decide it's own fate. There has been no solution to the Cyprus 'problem' for so long now because there was never the will for compromise on the part of both communities. Hopefully this will change but the biggest obstacle to a solution is the clear G/C refusal to accept the T/C's as political equals and a total unwillingness to share power. That, dear friends, is why the Annan Plan was rejected by the Greek Cypriot community. You either accept us or you don't. If you don't then unfortunately the division WILL be permanent.

Please post some proof to this remarkable statement that there WILL be a referendum for the TCs to determine their future if the talks fail. And please explain to us what this referendum will determine.

[Piratis]

Piratis, sadly there will be no prospect of a solution until you acknowledge the role that your community played in the sad history of the island. The T/C's did not embark on a lunatic adventure to secure Cyprus' subjection to another state. We did not accept the independence agreements in 1960 with the intention of dishonouring them as soon as we could. We did not prepare and try to impose a clandestine plan to overthrow the Republic and to abrigate the treaties on which it was based. We did not attack and try to annihilate by force the other Cypriot community. We did not persecute them for years afterwards when they refused to succumb. We did not secretly bring into the island thousands of foreign troops in an attempt to create a fait accompli of its annexation to another state. And, it was not we who either provoked or launched the bloody coup in 1974 which compellled Turkey to intervene in Cyprus in order to protect the Turkish Cypriot community from annihalation from a regime headed by a homicidal maniac.

I would like to meet you in the event of a just Cyprus solution where some rationality and understanding about where each community is coming from is paramount in any conversation about the Cyprus issue. We married, we seperated and now we're trying to get back together.......but if that fails then divorce is the only option.

All we ever did was to fight for our freedom from the foreign oppressors of your kind and later the British, and try to liberate our island like the other Greek islands and territories where liberated before us.

I like it how you define the struggle of the Cypriot people for freedom and self-determination as a "lunatic adventure to secure Cyprus' subjection to another state". The subjection of Cyprus was that to the Turks and later the British, which was imposed on the Cypriot people by force and against our will. How was it fine for Cyprus to be part of the Ottoman or British empires against the desires of the Cypriot people, but not fine for Cyprus to be part of a free Greek state, just like the overwhelming majority of the population of Cyprus wanted?


The Cypriots never ventured out of their own island to harm anybody. It is the Turks who kept raiding our island, and then with a full scale invasion slaughtered 10s of thousands of Cypriots and then oppressed us for 3 centuries. Then, in 1958, only after a short brake of 80 years, the Turks attacked us again in order to help the British to oppress our revolution and deny to the Cypriot people their right for self-determination. Not only that but they also started to demand that we should be exterminated from half of our island!

Yes, in the conflict that you started you also had some 100s of casulaties, about the same number as the casualties you caused to GCs. What did you expect? That you will attack us, kill us, collaborate with foreigners in order to deny to us our freedom and we would not react?

In 1974 Turkey invaded in order to steal 1/3rd of our island. No TC was killed in 1974 before the Turkish invasion had started. The few 100s of casulties that TCs had in 1974 were all after Turkey with the help of TCs started to kill Greek Cypriots by the 1000s and ethnically cleansing us by the 100s of thousands.

So you coming here pretending to be the victim that now has to be rewarded is ridiculous. You have always been the aggressors, from day one when you set your foot on our island, to the 3 centuries of oppression and massacres against us that followed, to 1958 when you initiated the inter-communal conflict, to 1974 when you illegally and criminally stole our lands, and until today that you continue to insist on crimes and illegalities.

If you want peace you should finally stop trying to harm us and have gains on our loss and try to undemocratically impose your will on Cyprus. Your minority can exist in Cyprus peacefully, with the 100% of your human rights, your minority rights and your proportional power share like every other minority in EU. Unfortunately you instead insist on using force in order to violate our rights and gain land and power on our loss. Apparently nothing has changed since the very first day when you set your foot on this island.

[Muzzy70]

Er no Piratis, I don't. God help Cyprus with insular and blinkered people like you. There will never be a settlement at this rate with people like you. Carry on stereotyping and burying your head(s) in the sand and there will only be one solution: division and the recognition of the TRNC. Get a move on, change your brains or you will have no one to negotiate with ! You are so blind that you cannot see the endgame.