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[Piratis]

Third, Piratis I don't know when the terms Turkish Cypriot or Greek Cypriot were introduced. I suspect that it was post-1915 or possibly post 1922-23, but I doubt that they were terms used before then. Something though to investigate. I'd be intrigued to find out when the descriptor 'Cypriot' was introduced, with or without linguistic or ethnic prefix. Again I suspect not until the twentieth century; well see.

CopperLine, references to Greeks and Cypriots in Cyprus goes back 1000s of years. Homer referred to the goddess of Cyprus Aphrodite as the "Cyprian" goddess in the 8th century BC, and Stasinos wrote the "Cyprian Epics" at about the same time, "κοινό Κυπρίων" (Common for all Cypriots) is what appears on coins 1000s of years old etc etc. So there is no question about that.

The question is when it was decided that the Muslims that lived in Cyprus, many of whom had Greek as their first language, were the "Turkish Cypriot Community"?

IN the Dillirga area there such TCs who fit your description . My grandparents and their parents , who were all Moslem , used Greek as their one and only language. I would say that once the British took Cyprus and the Hellanic dream of Enosis started to become a strong movement these Moslems looked into themselves and realised that they were Turks.

If your grandparents and their parents had Greek as their first language this means they were Greek. Many Greek Cypriots were forced to change religion during the Ottoman rule because Muslims paid only half the taxes and they were treated much better in general.

If they "looked into themselves" then they would find nothing Turkish about themselves. Apparently religion was used by some (whom?) to turn those Muslims Cypriots into Turks.

I remember Bir saying about TMT banning the Greek language among the Turkish Cypriots, but it is obvious that similar practices were going on for several decades before the founding of the TMT.

[Nikitas]

Denktash in his book details how fines were imposed on TCs for speaking Greek and tells a little anecdote of a man who could not speak a word of Turkish. The unfortunate fellow got fed up with the fines and he sat in the coffee shop in silence.

Denktash also details how village names were changed to establish a "historical footprint" on the island and thus strengthen Turkish claims.

There is a lot of "manufactured" stuff on which the TRNC is based and a quick search through the sites the regime operates directly or through proxies turns up a fair number of stalinist propaganda ploys. One such being the avoidance of the word "Greek" even when referring to obviously Greek elements like ancient sites or Greek Orthodox churches in north Cyprus. One such site details how Lapithos is the ancient Lambousa which meant the "shining city" but does not mention in which language. It is a funny way to do business!

[bilako22]

Denktash in his book details how fines were imposed on TCs for speaking Greek and tells a little anecdote of a man who could not speak a word of Turkish. The unfortunate fellow got fed up with the fines and he sat in the coffee shop in silence.

Denktash also details how village names were changed to establish a "historical footprint" on the island and thus strengthen Turkish claims.

There is a lot of "manufactured" stuff on which the TRNC is based and a quick search through the sites the regime operates directly or through proxies turns up a fair number of stalinist propaganda ploys. One such being the avoidance of the word "Greek" even when referring to obviously Greek elements like ancient sites or Greek Orthodox churches in north Cyprus. One such site details how Lapithos is the ancient Lambousa which meant the "shining city" but does not mention in which language. It is a funny way to do business!

I can tell you for a fact that anyone who dared to come to our village during the time of Denktash and tried to tell us not to use the beautiful Cypriot Greek language would have been told to fuck off. Even now , there hundreds of Turks in the Dillirga villages who enjoy using Greek.

[bilako22]

Third, Piratis I don't know when the terms Turkish Cypriot or Greek Cypriot were introduced. I suspect that it was post-1915 or possibly post 1922-23, but I doubt that they were terms used before then. Something though to investigate. I'd be intrigued to find out when the descriptor 'Cypriot' was introduced, with or without linguistic or ethnic prefix. Again I suspect not until the twentieth century; well see.

CopperLine, references to Greeks and Cypriots in Cyprus goes back 1000s of years. Homer referred to the goddess of Cyprus Aphrodite as the "Cyprian" goddess in the 8th century BC, and Stasinos wrote the "Cyprian Epics" at about the same time, "κοινό Κυπρίων" (Common for all Cypriots) is what appears on coins 1000s of years old etc etc. So there is no question about that.

The question is when it was decided that the Muslims that lived in Cyprus, many of whom had Greek as their first language, were the "Turkish Cypriot Community"?

IN the Dillirga area there such TCs who fit your description . My grandparents and their parents , who were all Moslem , used Greek as their one and only language. I would say that once the British took Cyprus and the Hellanic dream of Enosis started to become a strong movement these Moslems looked into themselves and realised that they were Turks.

If your grandparents and their parents had Greek as their first language this means they were Greek. Many Greek Cypriots were forced to change religion during the Ottoman rule because Muslims paid only half the taxes and they were treated much better in general.

If they "looked into themselves" then they would find nothing Turkish about themselves. Apparently religion was used by some (whom?) to turn those Muslims Cypriots into Turks.

I remember Bir saying about TMT banning the Greek language among the Turkish Cypriots, but it is obvious that similar practices were going on for several decades before the founding of the TMT.

It seems that you know very little about the Greek speaking TCs.
Try www.yesilirmak.net. They became Greek speakers due to lack of education .

[DT.]

Third, Piratis I don't know when the terms Turkish Cypriot or Greek Cypriot were introduced. I suspect that it was post-1915 or possibly post 1922-23, but I doubt that they were terms used before then. Something though to investigate. I'd be intrigued to find out when the descriptor 'Cypriot' was introduced, with or without linguistic or ethnic prefix. Again I suspect not until the twentieth century; well see.

CopperLine, references to Greeks and Cypriots in Cyprus goes back 1000s of years. Homer referred to the goddess of Cyprus Aphrodite as the "Cyprian" goddess in the 8th century BC, and Stasinos wrote the "Cyprian Epics" at about the same time, "κοινό Κυπρίων" (Common for all Cypriots) is what appears on coins 1000s of years old etc etc. So there is no question about that.

The question is when it was decided that the Muslims that lived in Cyprus, many of whom had Greek as their first language, were the "Turkish Cypriot Community"?

IN the Dillirga area there such TCs who fit your description . My grandparents and their parents , who were all Moslem , used Greek as their one and only language. I would say that once the British took Cyprus and the Hellanic dream of Enosis started to become a strong movement these Moslems looked into themselves and realised that they were Turks.

If your grandparents and their parents had Greek as their first language this means they were Greek. Many Greek Cypriots were forced to change religion during the Ottoman rule because Muslims paid only half the taxes and they were treated much better in general.

If they "looked into themselves" then they would find nothing Turkish about themselves. Apparently religion was used by some (whom?) to turn those Muslims Cypriots into Turks.

I remember Bir saying about TMT banning the Greek language among the Turkish Cypriots, but it is obvious that similar practices were going on for several decades before the founding of the TMT.

It seems that you know very little about the Greek speaking TCs.
Try www.yesilirmak.net. They became Greek speakers due to lack of education .

Taken from the website provided by Bilako

Fighting broke out between the pro Greek and the Republican Greek Cypriots. Eventually the Republic of Cyprus government was overthrown and the Greeks began a genocide against the Turkish Cypriots, so that Cyprus will be turned in to a Greek island

SO let me get this straight, We overthrew the govt and between the coup and the invasion we began a genocide?

When exactly are you claiming this genocide really happened?

Have some respect for the history of this world and the peoples that have experienced and suffered from genocide. Jews and Russians would have your throats for diluting their suffering to this.

[Get Real!]

Taken from the website provided by Bilako

Fighting broke out between the pro Greek and the Republican Greek Cypriots. Eventually the Republic of Cyprus government was overthrown and the Greeks began a genocide against the Turkish Cypriots, so that Cyprus will be turned in to a Greek island

SO let me get this straight, We overthrew the govt and between the coup and the invasion we began a genocide?

When exactly are you claiming this genocide really happened?

You think they know what they're talking about?

[Sotos]

Third, Piratis I don't know when the terms Turkish Cypriot or Greek Cypriot were introduced. I suspect that it was post-1915 or possibly post 1922-23, but I doubt that they were terms used before then. Something though to investigate. I'd be intrigued to find out when the descriptor 'Cypriot' was introduced, with or without linguistic or ethnic prefix. Again I suspect not until the twentieth century; well see.

CopperLine, references to Greeks and Cypriots in Cyprus goes back 1000s of years. Homer referred to the goddess of Cyprus Aphrodite as the "Cyprian" goddess in the 8th century BC, and Stasinos wrote the "Cyprian Epics" at about the same time, "κοινό Κυπρίων" (Common for all Cypriots) is what appears on coins 1000s of years old etc etc. So there is no question about that.

The question is when it was decided that the Muslims that lived in Cyprus, many of whom had Greek as their first language, were the "Turkish Cypriot Community"?

IN the Dillirga area there such TCs who fit your description . My grandparents and their parents , who were all Moslem , used Greek as their one and only language. I would say that once the British took Cyprus and the Hellanic dream of Enosis started to become a strong movement these Moslems looked into themselves and realised that they were Turks.

If your grandparents and their parents had Greek as their first language this means they were Greek. Many Greek Cypriots were forced to change religion during the Ottoman rule because Muslims paid only half the taxes and they were treated much better in general.

If they "looked into themselves" then they would find nothing Turkish about themselves. Apparently religion was used by some (whom?) to turn those Muslims Cypriots into Turks.

I remember Bir saying about TMT banning the Greek language among the Turkish Cypriots, but it is obvious that similar practices were going on for several decades before the founding of the TMT.

It seems that you know very little about the Greek speaking TCs.
Try www.yesilirmak.net. They became Greek speakers due to lack of education .

So when did the parents of your grandparents lived? Wasn't is during Ottoman rule? During Ottoman rule there was good Greek education but not Turkish education? And if people learn some other language like I learned English that other language becomes their ONE AND ONLY language? You don't make any sense!

[DT.]

Bilako...you need to stop posting for a second a start thinking a little. There's very little you've managed to say that has been helpful to your side. On the contrary I believe you are frustrating your fellow TC's with the mistakes and easily corrected false historical facts you keep providing us with.

[Piratis]

There's very little you've managed to say that has been helpful to your side.

Maybe thats because he is Greek

[DT.]

There's very little you've managed to say that has been helpful to your side.

Maybe thats because he is Greek

Nah, he wouldn't have made it this obvious.