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Postby boomerang » Mon May 26, 2008 12:55 am

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CopperLine wrote:Typically Boomerang just turns to a tirade of abuse. Failure to agree with Boomerang, or to consider the same material in the same way as Boomerang results in a stream of invective.

Let's get back to the substance : the history of expropriations, land grabs and dispossessions is as bloody as it is widespread. Some seize land and throw residents off directly, others do it by proxy. Some enjoy the expropriations immediately, others in a generation or two. Does the passage of time between dispossession of one and enjoyment by another make any difference to the violence of the act ?

Yes the British dispossessed the aboriginals, but it is the current generations of immigrants - Greek Cypriots like Boomerang included - who enjoy the benefits. The Turkish army dispossessed Greek Cypriots and it is British and German etc homebuyers who enjoy the benefits. Does the fact that the Australian aboriginals were dispossessed over a couple centuries (and continue to be dispossessed today) make a difference to their loss ? If you Boomerang want to put a time-break on land dispossessions then tell us what it should be and why.

There is nothing particularly different and certainly not unique what has happened in Cyprus and it may be instructive to us what has happened in other parts of the world and how they have been resolved.

So long as people cling to the absurd notion that the Cyprus experience is unique and unparalleled then we're screwed and beyond help.

For a man who appears , on the surface , to have a respectable level of education , you appear to fall in the category of educated fools.
To compare Australian developments over hundreds of years with the invasion of Cyprus by Turkey is paramount to comparing the holocaust with Tom and Jerry having a melee !!!
If by saying that similar events to those that took place in Cyprus in 1974 are historically common occurrences then the same can be applied to child molesting and murder that have also been a regularly recurring events through out history , it doesn't excuse such despicable crimes.


You Greeks certainly stick together. The events in Australia were far worse than the events of 1974 .The aboriginal people were virtually killed off so that Europeans can steal their lands. And guess what , some of the biggest beneficiaries are the same Greeks who condemn the Turks of doing something far less in scale .


No country for stupid people?...I beg to differ...thats why they created the fowl country.... :lol:

Hey stupid what about the events of the 1500's...a care to enlighten us my little ottoman Cypriot?

read...Ottoman Cypriot=wannabe turk...confused?...so is stupid above :lol:
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Postby bilako22 » Mon May 26, 2008 10:33 am

boomerang wrote:
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miltiades wrote:The Plonker wrote :
""""""Typical shit from you , LAND GRABBING THIEF !!!!!!
The mind boggles !!!


From one plonker to another , tell me that what happened in Australia is not land grabbing on a massive scale , and on a scale that is much greater than Cyprus.


Hey stupid you are right...Now I am packing my bags and expect the same from you...I am coming to Cyprus and you go back to wherever you came from...deal?

Sometimes its better to keep your mouth shut and give the impression you are stupid rather than opening it and removing all doubt...you would do well to remember this... :lol:


From one stupid guy to another , you are full of bullshit and have no intention of leaving kangaroo land . Lier. You want your lands in Cyprus returned whilst depriving the real owners of Australia theirs.


See I don't call you stupid for nothing...you have earned the title fair and square... :lol:

Keep'em coming stupid... :lol:[/qu

More shit from you . Having failed in your pathetic arguments you know resort to personal insults . What an arsehole .


Hey stupid you have a case?...show it to me again... :lol:


PS...I just love quoting you... :lol:


Kangaroo eater, you must be some ignorant poor soul to live in aboriginal country and pretend not to know its history and how you managed to benefit from it . I love it when people like you patronise us about the events of 1974 whilst at the same time are benefiting from the genocide of the aboriginal people.
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Postby bilako22 » Mon May 26, 2008 10:35 am

boomerang wrote:
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CopperLine wrote:Typically Boomerang just turns to a tirade of abuse. Failure to agree with Boomerang, or to consider the same material in the same way as Boomerang results in a stream of invective.

Let's get back to the substance : the history of expropriations, land grabs and dispossessions is as bloody as it is widespread. Some seize land and throw residents off directly, others do it by proxy. Some enjoy the expropriations immediately, others in a generation or two. Does the passage of time between dispossession of one and enjoyment by another make any difference to the violence of the act ?

Yes the British dispossessed the aboriginals, but it is the current generations of immigrants - Greek Cypriots like Boomerang included - who enjoy the benefits. The Turkish army dispossessed Greek Cypriots and it is British and German etc homebuyers who enjoy the benefits. Does the fact that the Australian aboriginals were dispossessed over a couple centuries (and continue to be dispossessed today) make a difference to their loss ? If you Boomerang want to put a time-break on land dispossessions then tell us what it should be and why.

There is nothing particularly different and certainly not unique what has happened in Cyprus and it may be instructive to us what has happened in other parts of the world and how they have been resolved.

So long as people cling to the absurd notion that the Cyprus experience is unique and unparalleled then we're screwed and beyond help.

For a man who appears , on the surface , to have a respectable level of education , you appear to fall in the category of educated fools.
To compare Australian developments over hundreds of years with the invasion of Cyprus by Turkey is paramount to comparing the holocaust with Tom and Jerry having a melee !!!
If by saying that similar events to those that took place in Cyprus in 1974 are historically common occurrences then the same can be applied to child molesting and murder that have also been a regularly recurring events through out history , it doesn't excuse such despicable crimes.


You Greeks certainly stick together. The events in Australia were far worse than the events of 1974 .The aboriginal people were virtually killed off so that Europeans can steal their lands. And guess what , some of the biggest beneficiaries are the same Greeks who condemn the Turks of doing something far less in scale .


No country for stupid people?...I beg to differ...thats why they created the fowl country.... :lol:

Hey stupid what about the events of the 1500's...a care to enlighten us my little ottoman Cypriot?

read...Ottoman Cypriot=wannabe turk...confused?...so is stupid above :lol:


Whilst looking into Ottoman history did you manage to spare time for the Australian aboriginal?
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Postby bilako22 » Mon May 26, 2008 10:40 am

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CopperLine wrote:Your lawyer question is a leading question. So normally one wouldn't answer it - but in any case both options are way off the mark.

And I've absolutely no idea what you were on about in your copperline-downer fantasy. Are you on something hallucinogenic ?


1...A leading question you say huh?...well I rest my case then... :lol:

2...ofcource you have no idea what I am talking about...coz you are still shitting ala el fresco... :lol:


Nobody has any idea what you are talking about. Must have eaten too many kangaroos.
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Postby boomerang » Mon May 26, 2008 2:37 pm

bilako22 wrote:
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CopperLine wrote:Your lawyer question is a leading question. So normally one wouldn't answer it - but in any case both options are way off the mark.

And I've absolutely no idea what you were on about in your copperline-downer fantasy. Are you on something hallucinogenic ?


1...A leading question you say huh?...well I rest my case then... :lol:

2...ofcource you have no idea what I am talking about...coz you are still shitting ala el fresco... :lol:


Nobody has any idea what you are talking about. Must have eaten too many kangaroos.


Ignorance is bliss huh, hey stupid?... :lol:
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Postby bilako22 » Tue May 27, 2008 12:25 am

boomerang wrote:
bilako22 wrote:
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CopperLine wrote:Your lawyer question is a leading question. So normally one wouldn't answer it - but in any case both options are way off the mark.

And I've absolutely no idea what you were on about in your copperline-downer fantasy. Are you on something hallucinogenic ?


1...A leading question you say huh?...well I rest my case then... :lol:

2...ofcource you have no idea what I am talking about...coz you are still shitting ala el fresco... :lol:


Nobody has any idea what you are talking about. Must have eaten too many kangaroos.


Ignorance is bliss huh, hey stupid?... :lol:


It is in your case , arsehole. Ignorance of the history of Australia.
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Postby boomerang » Tue May 27, 2008 1:10 am

bilako22 wrote:
boomerang wrote:
bilako22 wrote:
boomerang wrote:
CopperLine wrote:Your lawyer question is a leading question. So normally one wouldn't answer it - but in any case both options are way off the mark.

And I've absolutely no idea what you were on about in your copperline-downer fantasy. Are you on something hallucinogenic ?


1...A leading question you say huh?...well I rest my case then... :lol:

2...ofcource you have no idea what I am talking about...coz you are still shitting ala el fresco... :lol:


Nobody has any idea what you are talking about. Must have eaten too many kangaroos.


Ignorance is bliss huh, hey stupid?... :lol:


It is in your case , arsehole. Ignorance of the history of Australia.

FACT SHEET: ARMENIAN GENOCIDE
KNIGHTS OF VARTAN ARMENIAN RESEARCH CENTER
The University of Michigan-Dearborn
Dearborn, MI 48128


The Armenian Genocide was carried out by the "Young Turk" government of the Ottoman Empire in 1915-1916 (with subsidiaries to 1922-23). One and a half million Armenians were killed, out of a total of two and a half million Armenians in the Ottoman Empire.
Most Armenians in America are children or grandchildren of the survivors, although there are still many survivors amongst us.

Armenians all over the world commemorate this great tragedy on April 24, because it was on that day in 1915 when 300 Armenian leaders, writers, thinkers and professionals in Constantinople (present day Istanbul) were rounded up, deported and killed. Also on that day in Constantinople, 5,000 of the poorest Armenians were butchered in the streets and in their homes.

The Armenian Genocide was masterminded by the Central Committee of the Young Turk Party (Committee for Union and Progress [Ittihad ve Terakki Cemiyet, in Turkish]) which was dominated by Mehmed Talât [Pasha], Ismail Enver [Pasha], and Ahmed Djemal [Pasha]. They were a racist group whose ideology was articulated by Zia Gökalp, Dr. Mehmed Nazim, and Dr. Behaeddin Shakir.

The Armenian Genocide was directed by a Special Organization (Teshkilati Mahsusa) set up by the Committee of Union and Progress, which created special "butcher battalions," made up of violent criminals released from prison.

Some righteous Ottoman officials such as Celal, governor of Aleppo; Mazhar, governor of Ankara; and Reshid, governor of Kastamonu, were dismissed for not complying with the extermination campaign. Any common Turks who protected Armenians were killed.

The Armenian Genocide occurred in a systematic fashion, which proves that it was directed by the Young Turk government.

First the Armenians in the army were disarmed, placed into labor battalions, and then killed.

Then the Armenian political and intellectual leaders were rounded up on April 24, 1915, and then killed.

Finally, the remaining Armenians were called from their homes, told they would be relocated, and then marched off to concentration camps in the desert between Jerablus and Deir ez-Zor where they would starve and thirst to death in the burning sun.

On the march, often they would be denied food and water, and many were brutalized and killed by their "guards" or by "marauders." The authorities in Trebizond, on the Black Sea coast, did vary this routine: they loaded Armenians on barges and sank them out at sea.

The Turkish government today denies that there was an Armenian genocide and claims that Armenians were only removed from the eastern "war zone." The Armenian Genocide, however, occurred all over Anatolia [present-day Turkey], and not just in the so-called "war zone." Deportations and killings occurred in the west, in and around Ismid (Izmit) and Broussa (Bursa); in the center, in and around Angora (Ankara); in the south-west, in and around Konia (Konya) and Adana (which is near the Mediterranean Sea); in the central portion of Anatolia, in and around Diyarbekir (Diyarbakir), Harpout (Harput), Marash, Sivas (Sepastia), Shabin Kara-Hissar (þebin Karahisar), and Ourfa (Urfa); and on the Black Sea coast, in and around Trebizond (Trabzon), all of which are not part of a war zone. Only Erzeroum, Bitlis, and Van in the east were in the war zone.

The Armenian Genocide was condemned at the time by representatives of the British, French, Russian, German, and Austrian governments—namely all the major Powers. The first three were foes of the Ottoman Empire, the latter two, allies of the Ottoman Empire. The United States, neutral towards the Ottoman Empire, also condemned the Armenian Genocide and was the chief spokesman in behalf of the Armenians.

The American people, via local Protestant missionaries, did the most to save the wretched remnants of the death marches, the orphaned children.

Despite Turkish denial, there is no doubt about the Armenian Genocide. For example, German ambassador Count von Wolff-Metternich, Turkey's ally in World War I, wrote his government in 1916 saying: "The Committee [of Union and Progress] demands the annihilation of the last remnants of the Armenians and the [Ottoman] government must bow to its demands."

German consuls stationed in Turkey, including Vice Consul Max Erwin von Scheubner-Richner of Erzerum [Erzurum] who was Adolf Hitler's chief political advisor in the 1920s, were eyewitnesses. Hitler said to his generals on the eve of sending his Death's Heads units into Poland, "Go, kill without mercy . . . who today remembers the annihilation of the Armenians."

Henry Morgenthau Sr., the neutral American ambassador to the Ottoman Empire, sent a cable to the U.S. State Department in 1915:

"Deportation of and excesses against peaceful Armenians is increasing and from harrowing reports of eye witnesses [sic] it appears that a campaign of race extermination is in progress under a pretext of reprisal against rebellion."
Morgenthau's successor as Ambassador to Turkey, Abram Elkus, cabled the U.S. State Department in 1916 that the Young Turks were continuing an ". . . unchecked policy of extermination through starvation, exhaustion, and brutality of treatment hardly surpassed even in Turkish history."

Only one Turkish government, that of Damad Ferit Pasha, has ever recognized the Armenian genocide. In fact, that Turkish government held war crimes trials and condemned to death the major leaders responsible.

The Turkish court concluded that the leaders of the Young Turk government were guilty of murder. "This fact has been proven and verified." It maintained that the genocidal scheme was carried out with as much secrecy as possible. That a public facade was maintained of "relocating" the Armenians. That they carried out the killing by a secret network. That the decision to eradicate the Armenians was not a hasty decision, but "the result of extensive and profound deliberations."

Ismail Enver Pasha, Ahmed Cemal Pasha, Mehmed Talât Bey, and a host of others were convicted by the Turkish court and condemned to death for "the extermination and destruction of the Armenians."

The Permanent People's Tribunal recognized the Armenian Genocide on April 16, 1984.

The European Parliament voted to recognize the Armenian Genocide on June 18, 1987.

President Bush issued a news release in 1990 calling on all Americans to join with Armenians on April 24 in commemorating "the more than a million Armenian people who were victims."

President Clinton issued a news release on April 24, 1994, to commemorate the "tragedy" that befell the Armenians in 1915.

The Russian Duma (the lower house of the bicameral Russian legislature) voted on April 20, 1994, to recognize the Armenian Genocide.

Israel officially condemned the Armenian Genocide as Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister Yossi Beilin proclaimed on the floor of the Knesset (the Israeli legislature), on April 27, 1994, in answer to the claims of the Turkish Ambassador, that "It was not war. It was most certainly massacre and genocide, something the world must remember."

The Armenian genocide is similar to the Jewish holocaust in many respects. Both people adhere to an ancient religion. Both were religious minorities of their respective states. Both have a history of persecution. Both have new democracies. Both are surrounded by enemies. Both are talented and creative minorities who have been persecuted out of envy and obscurantism.

Issues:


The Republic of Turkey must cease to be the only major country in the world to deny the Armenian Genocide.

The Republic of Turkey must show good will by allowing American aid to present-day Armenia to pass through unhindered.

The Republic of Turkey must cease to train Azerbaijani soldiers in Turkey for the purpose of attacking Armenia.


One thing is for sure stupid the Aboriginals are thankfull the ottomans didn't discover OZ first...
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Postby Get Real! » Tue May 27, 2008 1:54 am

A couple of Roos hitting it off... :?
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Postby boomerang » Tue May 27, 2008 2:10 am

Get Real! wrote:A couple of Roos hitting it off... :?


What roos re...stupid doesn't know if he ass is on fire :lol:
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Postby Big Al » Tue May 27, 2008 3:45 am

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Get Real! wrote:A couple of Roos hitting it off... :?


What roos re...stupid doesn't know if he ass is on fire :lol:


Boomers, whats with the rage???
You say you couldnt give a shit about greece, why give a shit about Turkey???
Have a crownie and relax. :wink:
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