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[magikthrill]

Still it doesn't make sense. The naturalisation of Turkish settlers into TRNC citizenship is not internationally recognised, and in the case of a settlement in Cyprus, most of them will lose their citizenships and be sent back to Turkey. Will this be the case for the foreigners in south Cyprus? This is my point!

That's not necessarily the case. The only settlers that will probably have to leave are those who came in after 1990 and thats a good deal too.

The difference between the settlers and the non pre-74 Cypriots living in the south is that (I blieve not sure on this yet) were not offered stolen properties.
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However, I guess if people who moved to south Cyprus were able to attain citizenship within the certain amount required by the constitution then I don't see why this shouldnt apply to those who moved into the North. Otherwise this would be considered a double standard. Unless of course the virgin birth approach is introduced in which case everything in the past becomes null and void and there are no double standards anymore. But thats a WHOLE different ball game.

Of course if you live on property that doesnt belong to you then tough tooshies. Head back to Turkey or ask Turkey to support you.

[garbitsch]

That sounds fair. After a solution, these people can resettle in new houses. As MicAtCyp once said: "If some of them must stay then it is Turkeys responsibility to build them houses". Whether it is Turkey's duty or not, these people must have new houses. But claiming "the removal of ALL Turks who came after 74", is something inhumane. And there should be no problem for these people to live in "stolen" properties UNTILL there is a solution regarding the property issues. Cyprus has already divided, the houses once owned by Greeks couldn't be left to rot. Many Turkish houses in South are inhabited by Greek refugees. WAIT FOR THE SOLUTION.

[RAFAELLA]

Still it doesn't make sense. The naturalisation of Turkish settlers into TRNC citizenship is not internationally recognised, and in the case of a settlement in Cyprus, most of them will lose their citizenships and be sent back to Turkey. Will this be the case for the foreigners in south Cyprus? This is my point!

Garbitsch, why should the foreigners leave Cyprus?
The foreigners entered CYRep. legally, from legal and recognised ports & airports. They are here, they live and work legally. They didin't come to steel properties and claim that they belong to them. Afterall the EU citizens can live and work in any EU country.
The foreigners were not shiped to CY to change the demografic character of the population etc.
There is a huge difference... Plus it's common secret why TR exports all those settlers to CY

[Viewpoint]

RAFAELLA

The foreigners entered CYRep. legally, from legal and recognised ports & airports. They are here, they live and work legally

What about the Pontian Greeks areound 40.000 mostly located in Limassol, entered the south in 90s, do they have to leave as well???

[cannedmoose]

I honestly don't see how in the modern age, expulsion of tens of thousands of people is going to happen. The days when populations were exchanged for political purposes do not sit kindly with how we live today.

Ultimately, I think those who rightfully disagree with the active and deliberate policy of settlement by the Turkish authorities (which I would say is akin to the Chinese policy in Tibet of diluting the native population to further their claim to the territory), are just going to have to get used to the fact that the Turkification of the north is a pactum factum.

Obviously, the temporary labourers are excluded from this, as a non-EU state, Turkish workers would require permits to work in Cyprus post-solution, permits that could only be issued if the employers could prove they were unable to employ either Cypriots or other EU nationals first. Thus it is likely that the vast majority of these people would have to leave the island once their initial contracts were up.

I also exclude the students from this, without continuing to allow Turkish nationals into the TC universities post-solution, the TC universities would very likely collapse. Since they are only in residence on a limited-term basis, this isn't really an issue anyway.

However, for the bulk of the Turkish settlers that entered Cyprus back in the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s, I don't see any way back, beyond offering them incentives to do so, which would likely have to be paid from Cyprus' coffers as I don't see Turkey willing to foot the bill for this. How many of these people would take the money and run? It depends on the level of incentive and their current standard of living in Cyprus. But I really can't see how the EU could sanction the forced removal of tens of thousands of people to an uncertain future.

Yes, thiis may be disagreeable, but I think it's a likely scenario nonetheless.

[magikthrill]

on a sidenote.

settlers came into cyprus to change the demographics. when we speak of demographics on this forum we refer to the 18%(actual TCs) vs 82% of 1974.

Does anyone know how these demographics have actually changed today?

[MicAtCyp]

The argument that the number of Turkish settlers exceeds the number of T.Cs is a very simple Greek tale, which has been told for decades. How can they be so sure about the numbers, eventhough they have no control over the North? I mean, how could the Greek Cypriot officials conduct a census in north?

He, he, he. We don't need to conduct a census in the pseudo. We can have the population records of the pseudo written on a CD with the help of our friend Elmas Guzelyurtlu, God save his soul, may he rest in peace, may his killers rot in hell for ever.

Will this be the case for the foreigners in south Cyprus?

Do you mean the Sri-Lankas, the Indians, Pakistanis Philippinos Russians etc? These never get any citizenship.They simply are allowed to stay for a maximum 4 years then they go home. Some of them cheat and stay longer, however when caught they are deported immediately together with their Cyprus born children. Exactly the same will happen to the Turkish settlers who were not married with TCs, after a solution. Don't expect us to favor them!

because Greek Cypriots could never know the numbers officially

Don't be so sure my friend. We already have the information we need.

[Viewpoint]

What about the Pontian Greeks, they were accepted into the south at the begining of 90s when the population growth figure doubled. Will they all be sent back with their children like the Turkish settlers that also arrived after 1990???

[magikthrill]

What about the Pontian Greeks, they were accepted into the south at the begining of 90s when the population growth figure doubled. Will they all be sent back with their children like the Turkish settlers that also arrived after 1990???

that depends on how many turkish settlers have to leave.

i believe the Annan Plan stated that each state could keep an x amount of settlers (i believe it was 45,000).

so if the south decides to keep settlers who came in earlier and exceeds this number than yes they will also have to go.

[turkcyp]

He, he, he. We don't need to conduct a census in the pseudo. We can have the population records of the pseudo written on a CD with the help of our friend Elmas Guzelyurtlu, God save his soul, may he rest in peace, may his killers rot in hell for ever.

Which Guzelyurtlu?
- The one who had had left a bankrupt bank owing millions of dollars to innocent TCs and escaped to RoC heaven.
- The owner of Everest Bank that used to launder all the dirty money in north.

Man your point of references has got an impressive resume.

Perhaps that is the reason why RoC did not want to hand the evidence back to TRNC, so the murderers can put behind bars. If that alleged “CD” was what you need for your propaganda purposes, you could have hold the CD and hand in the rest of the evidence.

Or may be that is why RoC had never deported him back to north, to be tried. I guess the logic is if you steal in an illegally established bank you are not really stealing, and all those 12000 people who had accounts in his bank are just naive people.

By the way hearsay is his killers were simply assassins hired by London based group which has millions of dollars in his bankrupt bank (most probably when trying to launder their money)

p.s. This does not change the fact that murder was a terrible event. They should be tried and put behind bars like the rest of the bankrupt bankers and this way we would not let the justice in private hands.