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Re: Medieval Cyprus Society: reading in Alsancak

Postby Oracle » Tue May 20, 2008 9:16 am

denizaksulu wrote:
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dutch_crusader wrote:Medieval Cyprus Society (MCS) now meeting in Alsancak
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The recently-launched Medieval Cyprus Society (MCS) will hold its second meeting in

---> The Grumpy Grouse restaurant* at Alsancak (at 8.00 pm on Saturday, May 31).
---> * Located next to the King's Court Hotel (opposite the Denizkizi Hotel).


After a brief introduction about the aims of the society, founder Hans Doeleman will give an illustrated (pictures and
maps) introduction to the start of the Crusades movement and the important part that Cyprus played during
the Third Crusade and later:

--- Reason for and start of the Third Crusade, 1189-1192
--- Richard I (The Lionheart)'s conquest of Cyprus in 1191


And time permitting:

- Brief ownership of Cyprus by the Knights Templar
- The Lusignan period from 1192 until 1489, including the Mamluk and Genoese rule.
- Venetian annexation of Cyprus in 1489
- The Ottoman conquest of Cyprus in 1571

After the talk, there will be time for questions from the audience.

One of the next MCS activities will be several detailed tours of historic Famagusta.

Admission is free, but seating is limited, so you are encouraged to book a place directly with Hans Doeleman,
email only: [email protected] .

Or, if you don't have email, send a text message with your name to 0533 864 5433.

[ end ]


Did anyone ever explain to this jackass that the ownership of a place belongs only to the people that indigenously live and lived on it for centuries, and not to those foreigners that came and occupied it by force, or those that invade and ethnically cleanse its indegenous inhabitants in order to bring their own people from outside? I suppose his interest in medieval history is only due to his dream of taking us back to the dark ages of human existence, for only under this era he figured out he has a chance to "explain" and "justify" his illegitimacies!



Kifeas, with respect to what you say, at those times 'the owners' would be the ruling class. The serfs who toiled in the fields as 'Serfs' owned nothing.

The concept of which you talk about is a modern concept.

Regards


Deniz you have missed the concept whereby the indigenous people have rights to belong to a place whether they were allowed to buy or not, and hence establish "ownership" as understood today ....

The Bushmen of the Kalahari never paid "conveyancing fees" ... but no one would deny them their rights to their homeland .....
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Postby denizaksulu » Tue May 20, 2008 9:18 am

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Rebel.Without.A.Pause wrote:Another bullshit history lesson well they are going to try and tell us that there were no Greeks during the Lusignan, Genoese, Venetian and Ottoman era.

Thats like saying there were no Africans in West Africa during the Ottoman and European colonial era.


Yes there were but of no significance. You were merely serfs. You got your freedom under the generosity of the Ottomans. Deal with it.

Eventually as the centuries rolled by, the former Greek Cypriot surfs you mention turned their fate right around, thanks to their industriousness and astuteness, and made the Ottoman Cypriots their surfs as the natural selection process of the island picked up momentum, but it seems that Turkey couldn’t bare the disgrace anymore so she decided to intervene yet again in another effort to change the demographics… but can mother nature ever be defeated?



I do not disagree with you GR on the fact that the Cypriots were industrious and made good. This was what happened to most of the Christian subjects of the Sultan. They had the opportunity to Trade and Manufacture etc. and improve their lot, because they were able to avoid the Military service which the Moslems had to do. Thus whilst the Turkish Moslems would fight to protect its citizens from foreign invaders the Christians did indeed prosper. Ungrateful lot you are. :twisted:
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Postby denizaksulu » Tue May 20, 2008 9:20 am

kurupetos wrote:
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Rebel.Without.A.Pause wrote:Another bullshit history lesson well they are going to try and tell us that there were no Greeks during the Lusignan, Genoese, Venetian and Ottoman era.

Thats like saying there were no Africans in West Africa during the Ottoman and European colonial era.


Yes there were but of no significance. You were merely serfs. You got your freedom under the generosity of the Ottomans. Deal with it.


I take that as a joke. :lol:



I dont do jokes. Sorry. :wink:
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Re: Medieval Cyprus Society: reading in Alsancak

Postby denizaksulu » Tue May 20, 2008 9:23 am

Oracle wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Kifeas wrote:
dutch_crusader wrote:Medieval Cyprus Society (MCS) now meeting in Alsancak
===========================================================================

The recently-launched Medieval Cyprus Society (MCS) will hold its second meeting in

---> The Grumpy Grouse restaurant* at Alsancak (at 8.00 pm on Saturday, May 31).
---> * Located next to the King's Court Hotel (opposite the Denizkizi Hotel).


After a brief introduction about the aims of the society, founder Hans Doeleman will give an illustrated (pictures and
maps) introduction to the start of the Crusades movement and the important part that Cyprus played during
the Third Crusade and later:

--- Reason for and start of the Third Crusade, 1189-1192
--- Richard I (The Lionheart)'s conquest of Cyprus in 1191


And time permitting:

- Brief ownership of Cyprus by the Knights Templar
- The Lusignan period from 1192 until 1489, including the Mamluk and Genoese rule.
- Venetian annexation of Cyprus in 1489
- The Ottoman conquest of Cyprus in 1571

After the talk, there will be time for questions from the audience.

One of the next MCS activities will be several detailed tours of historic Famagusta.

Admission is free, but seating is limited, so you are encouraged to book a place directly with Hans Doeleman,
email only: [email protected] .

Or, if you don't have email, send a text message with your name to 0533 864 5433.

[ end ]


Did anyone ever explain to this jackass that the ownership of a place belongs only to the people that indigenously live and lived on it for centuries, and not to those foreigners that came and occupied it by force, or those that invade and ethnically cleanse its indegenous inhabitants in order to bring their own people from outside? I suppose his interest in medieval history is only due to his dream of taking us back to the dark ages of human existence, for only under this era he figured out he has a chance to "explain" and "justify" his illegitimacies!



Kifeas, with respect to what you say, at those times 'the owners' would be the ruling class. The serfs who toiled in the fields as 'Serfs' owned nothing.

The concept of which you talk about is a modern concept.

Regards


Deniz you have missed the concept whereby the indigenous people have rights to belong to a place whether they were allowed to buy or not, and hence establish "ownership" as understood today ....

The Bushmen of the Kalahari never paid "conveyancing fees" ... but no one would deny them their rights to their homeland .....



I did not miss the point Oracle.

I was refering to the Latin Period where serfdom existed and the locals were treated as less that human. Nowadays I DO believe in what you are saying. The Power does belong to the people and not even to the rulers.
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Postby halil » Tue May 20, 2008 9:23 am

Nicosia
Titular archdiocese in the Province of Cyprus. It is now agreed (Oberhummer' "Aus Cypern" in "Zeitschrift der Gesellschaft fur Erdkunde", 1890, 212-14), that Ledra, Leucotheon, Leucopolis, Leucosia, and Nicosia are the same city, at least the same episcopal see. Ledra is first mentioned by Sozomen (H. E., I, 11) in connexion with its bishop, St. Triphyllius, who lived under Constantine and whom St. Jerome (De scriptoribus ecclesiasticis), pronounced the most eloquent of his time. Mention is made also of one of his disciples, St. Diomedes, venerated on 28 October. Under the name of Leucosia the city appears for the first time in the sixth century, in the "Synecdemus" of Hierocles (ed. Burckhardt, 707-8). It was certainly subsequent to the eighth century that Leucosia or Nicosia replaced Constantia as the metropolis of Cyprus, for at the Œcumenical Council of 787 one Constantine signed as Bishop of Constantia; in any case at the conquest of the island in 1191 by Richard Coeur de Lion Nicosia was the capital. At that time Cyprus was sold to the Templars who established themselves in the castle of Nicosia, but not being able to overcome the hostility of the people of the city, massacred the majority of the inhabitants and sold Cyprus to Guy de Lusignan, who founded a dynasty there, of which there were fifteen titulars, and did much towards the prosperity of the capital. Nicosia was then made a Latin metropolitan see with three suffragans, Paphos, Limassol, and Famagusta. The Greeks who had previously had as many as fourteen titulars were obliged to be content with four bishops bearing the same titles as the Latins but residing in different towns. The list of thirty-one Latin archbishops from 1196 to 1502 may be seen in Eubel, "Hierarchia catholica medii aevi", I, 382; II, 224. Quarrels between Greeks and Latins were frequent and prolonged, especially at Nicosia, where the two councils of 1313-60 ended in bloodshed; but in spite of everything the island prospered. There were many beautiful churches in the possession of the Dominicans, Franciscans, Augustinians, Carmelites, Benedictines, and Carthusians. Other churches belonged to the Greeks, Armenians, Jacobites, Maronites, Nestorians etc. In 1489 Cyprus fell under the dominion of Venice and on 9 November, 1570, Nicosia fell into the power of the Turks, who committed atrocious cruelties. Nor was this the last time, for on 9 July, 1821, during the revolt of the Greeks in the Ottoman Empire, they strangled many of the people of Nicosia, among them the four Greek bishops of the island. Since 4 June, 1878, Cyprus has been under the dominion of England. Previously Nicosia was the residence of the Mutessarif of the sandjak which depended on the vilayet of the Archipelago. Since the Turkish occupation of 1571 Nicosia has been the permanent residence of the Greek archbishop who governs the autonomous church of Cyprus. The city has 13,000 inhabitants. The Franciscans administer the Catholic mission which is dependent on the Latin Patriarchate of Jerusalem, and has a school for boys. The Sisters of St. Joseph have a school for girls.
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Postby Nikitas » Tue May 20, 2008 9:35 am

Welcoming the Ottoman conquerors is a phrase that begs the question: were the 20 000 Nicosians killed when the city fell, and the Famagustians who were summarily executed, part of the welcoming committees?

And then there is the treatment reserved for the defender of Famagusta, Marcantonio Bragadin, after the promise made to him for safe passage which speaks even more loudly about Ottoman customs and attitudes at that time.

A quick read of the history summary posted by Halil above, with names and terminology (Anthimus, Eustathian, Barnabas, Heraclides, synaxaria, ecthesis etc) should be screaming loudly at some bullshitters who keep repeating that nonsense phrase "the island was never Greek". They love to portray the Byzantines as some race of spacement who appeared out of nowhere, lived in the area for a thousand years and then disappeared into thin air.
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Postby denizaksulu » Tue May 20, 2008 9:38 am

Kifeas wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Rebel.Without.A.Pause wrote:Another bullshit history lesson well they are going to try and tell us that there were no Greeks during the Lusignan, Genoese, Venetian and Ottoman era.

Thats like saying there were no Africans in West Africa during the Ottoman and European colonial era.


Yes there were but of no significance. You were merely serfs. You got your freedom under the generosity of the Ottomans. Deal with it.


Deniz, let me explain to you a few things! Significant or insignificant, even as serfs and slaves, it is our ancestors' hands, sweat and blood that were shed and spent in order for all those medieval and ancient landmarks to have been built, north and south of Cyprus, and certainly no Venetian, Ottoman or Frankish legs and hands were broken in order to carry the stones up to a thousand meters high, in order to built Kantara, Ayios Hilarion and Bufavento castles; that is why we Greek Cypriots, as the overwhelming majority and the oldest of this country’s indigenous inhabitants, firmly believe and claim we are the owners, and will never give up the ownership of that part of Cyprus too!



I for one would never deny you that right Kifeas. I am trying to explain how things were thought of differently in the Medievel times.
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Postby halil » Tue May 20, 2008 10:00 am

Ancient and Medieval Sites

Human settlements existed on Cyprus as early as 5800 B.C., during the Neolithic Era or New Stone Age. The Neolithic Cypriots' origin is uncertain. Some evidence, including artifacts of Anatolian obsidian, suggests that the setters were related to the peoples of Asia Minor (present-day Turkey). The discovery of copper on the island around 3000 B.C. brought more frequent visits from traders. Trading ships were soon bringing settlers to exploit the mineral wealth.

During the long progression from stone to bronze, many Neolithic villages were abandoned, as people moved inland to settle on the great plain (the Mesaoria) and in the foothills of the mountains. Also during this era of transition, Cypriot pottery was distinctive in shape and design, and small figurines of fertility goddesses appeared for the first time. During the same period, Cypriots were influenced by traders from the great Minoan civilization that had developed on Crete, but, although trade was extensive, few settlers came to Cyprus. The Minoan traders developed a script for Cypriot commerce, but unfortunately extant examples still await decipherment. The cultural advances, thriving economy, and relative lack of defenses invited the attention of more powerful neighbors, and during the Late Bronze Age (about 1500 B.C.), the forces of the Egyptian pharaoh, Thutmose III, invaded the island.

After 1400 B.C., Mycenaean and Mycenaean-Achaean traders from the northeastern Peloponnesus began regular commercial visits to the island. Settlers from the same areas arrived in large numbers toward the end of the Trojan War (traditionally dated about 1184 B.C.). Even in modern times, a strip of the northern coast was known as the Achaean Coast in commemoration of those early settlers. The newcomers spread the use of their spoken language and introduced a script that greatly facilitated commerce. They also introduced the potter's wheel and began producing pottery that eventually was carried by traders to many mainland markets. By the end of the second millennium B.C., a distinctive culture had developed on Cyprus. The island's culture was tempered and enriched by its position as a crossroads for the commerce of three continents, but in essence it was distinctively Hellenic. It is to this 3,000 years of Hellenic tradition that the present-day Greek Cypriots refer when arguing either for enosis or for their own dominance in an independent state.

Later Greek poets and playwrights frequently mention the early influences of Cyprus. Aphrodite, Greek goddess of love and beauty, was said to have been born out of the sea foam on the island's west coast. The most important of many temples to Aphrodite was built at Paphos, where the love goddess was venerated for centuries, and even in modern times young women visited the ruins to make votive offerings and to pray for good marriages or fertility (see fig. 2, Ancient and Medieval Aites). Aphrodite is mentioned by Homer in the Iliad and Odyssey, as is a Cypriot king, Kinyras, of Paphos.

The Late Bronze Age on Cyprus was characterized by a fusion of the indigenous culture and the cultures brought by settlers from the mainland areas. This fusion took place over a long period and was affected by shifting power relationships and major movements of peoples throughout the eastern Mediterranean area. Cyprus was affected particularly by the introduction of iron tools and weapons, signaling the end of the Bronze Age and the beginning of the Iron Age, near the end of the second millennium B.C. Iron did not displace bronze overnight, any more than one culture immediately displaced another (pockets of native Cypriot culture, for example, existed for several more centuries), but the introduction of iron heralded major economic changes, and the numbers of Greek settlers ensured the dominance of their culture.

An important eastern influence during the early part of the first millennium B.C. came from a Phoenician settlement. The principal Phoenician concentration was at Kition, the modern city of Larnaca, on the southeast coast. Three thousand years later some Turks and Turkish Cypriots would try to use such influences to prove that eastern cultures predated Greek influence on the island. On this basis, modern Cypriots were said to be descended from Phoenician Cypriot forebears. Greek Cypriots responded that, even though visits by Phoenician traders probably occurred as early as the third millennium, colonists did not arrive until about 800 B.C. The Phoenicians settled in several areas and shared political control with the Greeks until the arrival of the Assyrians.

In 708 B.C. Cyprus encompassed seven independent kingdoms that were conquered by the Assyrian king, Sargon II. During the Assyrian dominance, about 100 years, Cypriot kings maintained considerable autonomy in domestic affairs and accumulated great wealth. The number of city-kingdoms increased to ten, one of which was Phoenician. The Cypriot kings were religious as well as secular leaders and generally commanded the city's defense forces. When Assyrian power and influence began to decline, near the end of the seventh century, Egypt filled the resulting vacuum in eastern Mediterranean affairs.

The Egyptian pharaohs had built a powerful fleet of war ships that defeated the combined fleets of Phoenicia and Cyprus, setting the stage for Egypt's domination of the eastern Mediterranean. During the Egyptian ascendancy, the Cypriot kings were again allowed to continue in power after pledging themselves vassals of the pharaoh. The main impact of Egyptian domination was the reorientation of commerce, making Egypt the principal market for Cypriot minerals and timber.

When Egypt fell to the Persians in the late sixth century, Cyprus was made part of a satrapy of King Darius. By the time of Persian domination, Salamis outshone the other city-kingdoms in wealth and splendor, and its kings were looked on as first among equals. Petty kings ruled at Amathus, Kition, Kyrenia, Lapithos, Kourion, Marion, Paphos, Soli, and Tamassos, but leadership in the fifth and fourth century struggles against the Persians stemmed from Salamis. The king of Salamis, Onesilos, is remembered as the hero who died leading the revolt against the Persians in 498 B.C.

The Cypriot kings continued to enjoy considerable autonomy while paying tribute to Persia, and were even allowed to strike their own coinage. They remained culturally oriented toward Greece, and when the Ionians revolted against the Persians, those of the Cypriot kings who were Greek also rebelled. The revolt was suppressed quickly, apparently without retaliation.

In 411 B.C. another Greek Cypriot, Evagoras, established himself as king of Salamis and worked for a united Cyprus that would be closely tied to the Greek states. By force and by guile, the new king brought other Cypriot kingdoms into line and led forces against Persia. He also allied the Cypriots with Athens, and the Athenians honored him with a statue in the agora. As the Salamisian king gained prominence and power in the eastern Mediterranean (even attacking Persian positions in Anatolia), the Persians tried to rid themselves of this threat, and eventually defeated the Cypriots. Through diplomacy Evagoras managed to retain the throne of Salamis, but the carefully nurtured union of the Cypriot kingdoms was dissolved. Although Cyprus remained divided at the end of his thirty-seven-year reign, Evagoras is revered as a Greek Cypriot of uncommon accomplishment. He brought artists and learned men to his court and fostered Greek studies. He was instrumental in having the ancient Cypriot syllabary replaced by the Greek alphabet. He issued coins of Greek design and in general furthered the integration of Greek and Cypriot culture.

Cypriot freedom from the Persians finally came in 333 B.C. when Alexander the Great decisively defeated Persia at the Battle of Issue. A short time later, the Cypriot kings were granted autonomy in return for helping Alexander at the siege of Tyre. The death of Alexander in 323 B.C. signaled the end of that short period of self-government. Alexander's heirs fought over Cyprus, a rich prize, for several years, but in 294 B.C. it was taken by Ptolemy, one of Alexander's generals, who had established himself as satrap (and eventual king) of Egypt. Under the rule of the Ptolemies, which lasted for two and one-half centuries, the city-kingdoms of Cyprus were abolished and a central administration established. The Ptolemaic period, marked by internal strife and intrigue, was ended by Roman annexation in 58 B.C..

At first Rome governed the island as part of the province of Cilicia, and for a time Cicero, the famous orator, was governor. Later, when administration was vested in the Roman Senate, the island was governed by a proconsul and divided into four districts, Amathus, Lapithos, Paphos, and Salamis. The government seat was at Paphos and the center of commerce at Salamis.

Although the object of Roman occupation was to exploit the island's resources for the ultimate gain of the Roman treasury, the new rulers also brought a measure of prosperity as their enforced peace allowed the mines, industries, and commercial establishments to increase their activities. The Romans soon began building new roads, harbors, and public buildings. Although Paphos supplanted Salamis as the capital, the latter retained its glory, remaining a center of culture and education as well as of commerce. An earthquake leveled much of Salamis in 15 B.C., but the Emperor Augustus bestowed his favor on the city and had it rebuilt in the grand Roman fashion of the time.

Salamis was shattered by earthquakes again in the fourth century. Again reconstructed, although on a smaller scale, the city never achieved its former magnificence. When its harbor silted up in medieval times, it was abandoned to the drifting coastal sand that eventually covered it. Twentieth-century archaeologists have uncovered much of ancient Salamis, revealing glories from every epoch from the Bronze Age to its final abandonment.

The single most important event during Roman rule was the introduction of Christianity during the reign of the Emperor Claudius. According to tradition, the apostle Paul landed at Salamis in A.D. 45, accompanied by Barnabas, also a convert to Christianity and an apostle. Barnabas's arrival was a homecoming; he was a native of Salamis, of Hellenized Jewish parentage. The two missionaries traveled across Cyprus preaching the new religion and making converts. At Paphos they converted the Roman proconsul, Sergius Paulus, who became the first Roman of noble birth to accept Christianity, thus making Cyprus the first area of the empire to be governed by a Christian.

In 285 the Emperor Diocletian undertook the reorganization of the Roman Empire, dividing its jurisdiction between its Latin- speaking and Greek-speaking halves. Diocletian's successor, Constantine, accepted conversion and became the first Christian Roman emperor. In 324 he established his imperial residence at Byzantium, on the shore of the Bosporus. Byzantium was renamed Constantinople and eventually became the capital of the Byzantine (Eastern) Empire.

Data as of January 1991

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Postby Oracle » Tue May 20, 2008 10:05 am

Nikitas wrote:And then there is the treatment reserved for the defender of Famagusta, Marcantonio Bragadin, after the promise made to him for safe passage which speaks even more loudly about Ottoman customs and attitudes at that time.

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Unimaginable torture did they diffuse upon all those they invaded ...

"In The Steps Of St. Paul" by H.V. Morton

When the Turks entered Famagusta, this gallant soldier was brought before the Turkish general, Lala Mustafa, who pretended to execute him. He was forced to bare his neck three times to the executioner's sword, which each time was slowly lowered. Eventually, at a sign from the Turk, his nose and ears were cut off.
"Where is your Christ now?" asked the Pasha. "Why does He not come and help you?"

Those who watched the scene have left accounts in which they tell with what dignity and in what proud silence the tortured man bore himself. For ten days he was forced to carry earth to the ramparts and to kiss the ground each time that he passed the Pasha's tent. Then he was hoisted in a slung seat, with a crown tied at his feet, to the yard-arm of the flagship, and thus exposed to the jeers of the Turkish forces.

At the end of ten days Bragadino was led with drums and trumpets to the great square of Famagusta, stripped, tied to a pillar, and slowly flayed alive
...
Bragadino's skin, stuffed with straw, was tied to a cow and, with a red umbrella held over it in mockery, was paraded through the town. The tortured body was cut up like meat and portions hung on the gates of Famagusta. When the Turks sailed for Constantinople they tied the stuffed skin of Bragadino to the yard-arm and paraded it round the ports of the Mediterranean.
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Postby purdey » Tue May 20, 2008 10:12 am

sorry, wrong thread.
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