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Re: Racism in Cyprus

Postby miltiades » Sun May 18, 2008 9:46 pm

AQ wrote:I've been dipping in and out of this forum for several months and been undecided whether or not to participate.

We love this Island.

We have a house here and are very frequent visitors and are made generally very welcome. We are English. We do not speak Greek, have no tatoos but quite like Keo beer.

We have however been subject to several instances of 'Racism' in Cyprus.
Driving out of a car park in Polis (in a zed car) a gang of youths spat through the open window onto my face. Next day in the same car driving into Polis a 'package' was thrown into the windscreen of the car by a youth.

There is a definite undercurrent of racism and resentment towards the English in Cyprus, which is reflected on this forum.

I do not pretend to understand the history and politics of this lovely island so do you really hate us?

Im afraid I have to dissagree with you. The Cypriots on the whole are very friendly to visitors and more so the English. Im afraid once again I will have to bring my personal experience on to the forum.
My wife is English , we have been together since 1963 .
My sister in law is also English and has been with my older brother since 1962.
Both look 100% English and both DO NOT SPEAK GREEK other than the most colloqualy used words. Both my wife and sister in law have spent considerable , protracted time in Cyprus either on their own or with either my self or my brother.
Not once has either of them brought to our attention an incident involving racism , in their younger days they perhaps attracted a leering look now and again but NEVER have they encountered any anti English sentiments.
My own daughter , half English , arrived in Cyprus some 15 years ago unable to speak Greek , she speaks fluently now , again she never once encountered anti British feelings.
I'm talking from my own experience and that of many of my friends in similar circumstances.
Cyprus is still one of the friendliest and most welcoming places on earth , both the G/Cs and the T/Cs are extremely hospitable people.
Its bad luck that you were in Polis when GR was there too !!!
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Postby AQ » Sun May 18, 2008 9:52 pm

ok i am new!
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Postby Zimbo » Sun May 18, 2008 10:05 pm

Eliko wrote:
AQ wrote:AQ, I find it very difficult to believe your story, such events in Cyprus are buried long in the distant past, the British (though possibly not quite as popular as they would like to be) are certainly not disliked to the extent you illustrate, TWICE in TWO DAYS ?, not on mate, sorry.

By the way, welcome to the forum and good luck with your postings (better luck than this one anyway )

Eliko

These instances are recent.

The English are not very popular anywhere, it's a cross we have to bear. However it seems to be very near to the surface in Cyprus.



Please elucidate


If, as you say, the English are not very popular anywhere, I fear it is beyond me to explain the reasons other than to state that attitudes and behaviour patterns may be at the root.

Obviously there must be a reason, perhaps you should look to your football hooligans and binge drinkers for the answer.

Generally, from a Cypriot point of view, if you are not liked you are ignored, it's as simple as that.

Most Cypriot and English/British relationships I personally am aware of are quite (if not very) harmonious, it is therefore difficult to accept that you suffered the assaults you described at the hands of Cypriot youths, they are generally far too courteous for such behaviour (unless intimidated).

I lean towards Oracle's suggestion that your assailants may indeed have been British, the suggestion you make is unacceptable to ME, perhaps others may have a different opinion.

Best Wishes and do not let such an incident deter you, I am confident of it's rarity. :wink:


That's it! I have been biting my tongue whilst reading through these posts or rather keeping my fingers off the keys! I cannot believe your comments on Cyp youths. My God, I have seen these boys in action! Arrogant little sh1ts and how typical to blame bad behaviour on the Brits!
When will the Cypriots accept accountability? It's always someone else's fault with you guys. What arrogance. :evil:
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Postby Oracle » Sun May 18, 2008 10:09 pm

Zimbo wrote:
Eliko wrote:
AQ wrote:AQ, I find it very difficult to believe your story, such events in Cyprus are buried long in the distant past, the British (though possibly not quite as popular as they would like to be) are certainly not disliked to the extent you illustrate, TWICE in TWO DAYS ?, not on mate, sorry.

By the way, welcome to the forum and good luck with your postings (better luck than this one anyway )

Eliko

These instances are recent.

The English are not very popular anywhere, it's a cross we have to bear. However it seems to be very near to the surface in Cyprus.



Please elucidate


If, as you say, the English are not very popular anywhere, I fear it is beyond me to explain the reasons other than to state that attitudes and behaviour patterns may be at the root.

Obviously there must be a reason, perhaps you should look to your football hooligans and binge drinkers for the answer.

Generally, from a Cypriot point of view, if you are not liked you are ignored, it's as simple as that.

Most Cypriot and English/British relationships I personally am aware of are quite (if not very) harmonious, it is therefore difficult to accept that you suffered the assaults you described at the hands of Cypriot youths, they are generally far too courteous for such behaviour (unless intimidated).

I lean towards Oracle's suggestion that your assailants may indeed have been British, the suggestion you make is unacceptable to ME, perhaps others may have a different opinion.

Best Wishes and do not let such an incident deter you, I am confident of it's rarity. :wink:


That's it! I have been biting my tongue whilst reading through these posts or rather keeping my fingers off the keys! I cannot believe your comments on Cyp youths. My God, I have seen these boys in action! Arrogant little sh1ts and how typical to blame bad behaviour on the Brits!
When will the Cypriots accept accountability? It's always someone else's fault with you guys. What arrogance. :evil:


Shut up Zimbo ... you have already admitted to being a"racist" and shown us ample evidence ... :roll:
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Re: Racism in Cyprus

Postby Zimbo » Sun May 18, 2008 10:21 pm

miltiades wrote:
AQ wrote:I've been dipping in and out of this forum for several months and been undecided whether or not to participate.

We love this Island.

We have a house here and are very frequent visitors and are made generally very welcome. We are English. We do not speak Greek, have no tatoos but quite like Keo beer.

We have however been subject to several instances of 'Racism' in Cyprus.
Driving out of a car park in Polis (in a zed car) a gang of youths spat through the open window onto my face. Next day in the same car driving into Polis a 'package' was thrown into the windscreen of the car by a youth.

There is a definite undercurrent of racism and resentment towards the English in Cyprus, which is reflected on this forum.

I do not pretend to understand the history and politics of this lovely island so do you really hate us?

Im afraid I have to dissagree with you. The Cypriots on the whole are very friendly to visitors and more so the English. Im afraid once again I will have to bring my personal experience on to the forum.
My wife is English , we have been together since 1963 .
My sister in law is also English and has been with my older brother since 1962.
Both look 100% English and both DO NOT SPEAK GREEK other than the most colloqualy used words. Both my wife and sister in law have spent considerable , protracted time in Cyprus either on their own or with either my self or my brother.
Not once has either of them brought to our attention an incident involving racism , in their younger days they perhaps attracted a leering look now and again but NEVER have they encountered any anti English sentiments.
My own daughter , half English , arrived in Cyprus some 15 years ago unable to speak Greek , she speaks fluently now , again she never once encountered anti British feelings.
I'm talking from my own experience and that of many of my friends in similar circumstances.
Cyprus is still one of the friendliest and most welcoming places on earth , both the G/Cs and the T/Cs are extremely hospitable people.
Its bad luck that you were in Polis when GR was there too !!!


When I am in Cyprus and out with Greek friends, I am 'respected' and looked after by the Greeks. When I am out with my husband (English) or English friends, the Greek attitude changes! Not in restaurants, but in shops and generally out and about. When I am out on my own, Greek men look at me as if I'm dirt, and the younger Greek women appear very unfriendly. The kids are rude too. I have had several unpleasant episodes in Cyprus with Greek youths. You are obviously a good man - I always read your posts and you are fair at all times - I respect this. So I'm assuming you are Greek, then naturally the Greeks would be more considerate to your family. I'm coming over to Cyprus in 2 weeks for a holiday - I should feel happy and excited. I feel sick!
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Postby Oracle » Sun May 18, 2008 10:24 pm

Stay where you are if it's so bad ..... :roll:
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Postby Eliko » Sun May 18, 2008 10:31 pm

Yer, Getcha, sling yer bleeden 'ook !! :lol: :lol:

(learned from an Englishman) :wink:
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Postby Bananiot » Sun May 18, 2008 10:35 pm

Ask any Palestinian Arab boy or girl that goes to a Greek school and soon you will understand the scale of racism that exists. It is beyond words.
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Postby JimB » Sun May 18, 2008 10:36 pm

A child’s bitter struggle against racism
By Stefanos Evripidou
(archive article - Thursday, May 15, 2008)

A TEENAGE boy yesterday stunned an audience of educators, highlighting the deep-rooted problems of racism in Cyprus, when he used the words “inhuman” and “painful” to describe his “dream” move to the island.

Andrei Stefan from Romania was asked to address a conference organised by the Nicosia Municipality and Palouriotissa Gymnasium entitled: “The smooth integration of immigrants into Cypriot society: The contribution of the school and local authority.”

Speaking to an audience of teachers, parents, psychologists and researchers at Famagusta Gate in Nicosia, Andrei eloquently described in his now word-perfect Greek just how prejudice, racism and discrimination turned his dream move to Cyprus into a nightmare.

The 16-year-old came to Cyprus five years ago with his mother. “We came hoping for a better tomorrow and for better living conditions since in our country, Romania, we faced many problems.”

He told how his mother had described the country and the friends he would make once over here. “Even though I would speak, read and write in a foreign language, I used my mother’s words for comfort, ‘a better tomorrow’, that’s all I asked for.”

“Instead of that, during my time at primary school, I endured an inhuman and painful experience with the children I met here. They tormented me with names and bad behaviour. Through all this I struggled to find a path to the better tomorrow that every immigrant searches for in a new country,” said Andrei.

“I tried to justify inhuman and harsh behaviour that I got from all the kids, but I found no justification. The only thing that made us different was our country of origin and the language we spoke,” noted the teenager.

Andrei highlighted that the current approach to foreigners living in Cyprus prevented the country from taking advantage of what immigrants have to offer, their customs and traditions but also their own approaches to solving different problems.

“The problem is we don’t get the chance to express ourselves, to state what we know and can offer,” he said.

“Our proposed solutions are very often not accepted, they are faced with prejudice, and the excuse that ‘This is Cyprus, you are not in your country now’,” he added.

“This racist behaviour troubles us greatly. It doesn’t let us participate with our views in solving problems, or improving everyday conditions, of which, at the end of the day, we are a part.”

Andrei gave as an example the different approaches to entertainment. He argued that local teenagers had a “misconception” of what freedom is.

“I believe we enjoyed healthier forms of entertainment [in Romania] where we had more participation but also help from the community, something we don’t find here.”

Asked to elaborate, Andrei said back home teenagers would get help to play in and stage a rock concert in their neighbourhood where members of the community and friends would come and enjoy in a party atmosphere.

“We’ve been trying to do the same for six months now and getting nowhere. Instead we end up going to clubs and bars and getting arrested by police,” he said.

The teenager noted that racism was not everywhere, and thanked those who welcomed him with open arms, referring to his “inspired teachers”.

Asked what advice he had for others like him coming to Cyprus he said: “Don’t be different.”

Advice for Cyprus?

“A change of attitude. Don’t look at someone and the first thing you see is difference.”

He argued for more discussion in households, schools and the media about diversity in people: “So everything doesn’t look so foreign to them, so they don’t find it strange when they come across different physical characteristics, so they don’t think children from other countries with different cultures and views are wrong.”

A first step would be to provide proper support for foreigners coming to Cyprus to learn the language.

“We don’t seek special treatment, we ask for equal treatment without discrimination,” concluded Andrei.


CHAIRMAN of the House Education Committee, Nicos Tornaritis, yesterday called on Cypriots with racist tendencies to take note of the fact that without economic migrants, Cyprus never would have joined the EU.

Speaking at a conference dealing with the integration of immigrants in Cyprus, Tornaritis highlighted the fact that certain parents in particular schools put all the problems faced at schools on the shoulders of foreign children.

“Some guy comes up and asks me how are we going to live with all these Poles, Brits, Russians etc, he doesn’t even mention Turkish Cypriots. But what have we been fighting for all these years if not to live with Turkish Cypriots, Maronites, Latins, Armenians, and yes, economic migrants,” said Tornaritis.

Nicosia Mayor Eleni Mavrou criticised the media for failing to focus on the positive aspects of multiculturalism in Cyprus, where immigration counts for 10-14 per cent of the population.

“I see there are no media and cameras (bar two journalists) here today. I’m sure if local children where fighting with foreign children in school, the cameras would have been there in no time. The media have responsibility to report on the positive as well as the negative,” she said.

Headmistress of Palouriotissa gymnasium, Maria Theodotou, told the conference that one positive came out from the many negatives of a recent study undertaken by the school.

“When asked if children have problems co-existing with immigrant children, the majority said NO.”

The same study revealed that the majority of parents did not want their children being friends with foreign children or even in the same class.

Theodotou said education needed readjustment to the new realities in Cyprus, “going beyond the traditional mono-cultural and mono-language character of education”.

Paraphrasing and updating the words of the ancient orator Pericles, she said: “We have our place open to foreigners but at the same time, we have our hearts and minds open to diversity.”

Academic Constantinos Fellas stressed the need for recognition of the problem and for dialogue.

“Racism is not something we can hide in the closet nor can it be accepted as a ‘soft’ form of ‘xenophobia’ based on naivety and/or ignorance,” he said.



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Postby Xybadog » Sun May 18, 2008 10:45 pm

JimB wrote:A child’s bitter struggle against racism
By Stefanos Evripidou
(archive article - Thursday, May 15, 2008)

A TEENAGE boy yesterday stunned an audience of educators, highlighting the deep-rooted problems of racism in Cyprus, when he used the words “inhuman” and “painful” to describe his “dream” move to the island.

Andrei Stefan from Romania was asked to address a conference organised by the Nicosia Municipality and Palouriotissa Gymnasium entitled: “The smooth integration of immigrants into Cypriot society: The contribution of the school and local authority.”

Speaking to an audience of teachers, parents, psychologists and researchers at Famagusta Gate in Nicosia, Andrei eloquently described in his now word-perfect Greek just how prejudice, racism and discrimination turned his dream move to Cyprus into a nightmare.

The 16-year-old came to Cyprus five years ago with his mother. “We came hoping for a better tomorrow and for better living conditions since in our country, Romania, we faced many problems.”

He told how his mother had described the country and the friends he would make once over here. “Even though I would speak, read and write in a foreign language, I used my mother’s words for comfort, ‘a better tomorrow’, that’s all I asked for.”

“Instead of that, during my time at primary school, I endured an inhuman and painful experience with the children I met here. They tormented me with names and bad behaviour. Through all this I struggled to find a path to the better tomorrow that every immigrant searches for in a new country,” said Andrei.

“I tried to justify inhuman and harsh behaviour that I got from all the kids, but I found no justification. The only thing that made us different was our country of origin and the language we spoke,” noted the teenager.

Andrei highlighted that the current approach to foreigners living in Cyprus prevented the country from taking advantage of what immigrants have to offer, their customs and traditions but also their own approaches to solving different problems.

“The problem is we don’t get the chance to express ourselves, to state what we know and can offer,” he said.

“Our proposed solutions are very often not accepted, they are faced with prejudice, and the excuse that ‘This is Cyprus, you are not in your country now’,” he added.

“This racist behaviour troubles us greatly. It doesn’t let us participate with our views in solving problems, or improving everyday conditions, of which, at the end of the day, we are a part.”

Andrei gave as an example the different approaches to entertainment. He argued that local teenagers had a “misconception” of what freedom is.

“I believe we enjoyed healthier forms of entertainment [in Romania] where we had more participation but also help from the community, something we don’t find here.”

Asked to elaborate, Andrei said back home teenagers would get help to play in and stage a rock concert in their neighbourhood where members of the community and friends would come and enjoy in a party atmosphere.

“We’ve been trying to do the same for six months now and getting nowhere. Instead we end up going to clubs and bars and getting arrested by police,” he said.

The teenager noted that racism was not everywhere, and thanked those who welcomed him with open arms, referring to his “inspired teachers”.

Asked what advice he had for others like him coming to Cyprus he said: “Don’t be different.”

Advice for Cyprus?

“A change of attitude. Don’t look at someone and the first thing you see is difference.”

He argued for more discussion in households, schools and the media about diversity in people: “So everything doesn’t look so foreign to them, so they don’t find it strange when they come across different physical characteristics, so they don’t think children from other countries with different cultures and views are wrong.”

A first step would be to provide proper support for foreigners coming to Cyprus to learn the language.

“We don’t seek special treatment, we ask for equal treatment without discrimination,” concluded Andrei.


CHAIRMAN of the House Education Committee, Nicos Tornaritis, yesterday called on Cypriots with racist tendencies to take note of the fact that without economic migrants, Cyprus never would have joined the EU.

Speaking at a conference dealing with the integration of immigrants in Cyprus, Tornaritis highlighted the fact that certain parents in particular schools put all the problems faced at schools on the shoulders of foreign children.

“Some guy comes up and asks me how are we going to live with all these Poles, Brits, Russians etc, he doesn’t even mention Turkish Cypriots. But what have we been fighting for all these years if not to live with Turkish Cypriots, Maronites, Latins, Armenians, and yes, economic migrants,” said Tornaritis.

Nicosia Mayor Eleni Mavrou criticised the media for failing to focus on the positive aspects of multiculturalism in Cyprus, where immigration counts for 10-14 per cent of the population.

“I see there are no media and cameras (bar two journalists) here today. I’m sure if local children where fighting with foreign children in school, the cameras would have been there in no time. The media have responsibility to report on the positive as well as the negative,” she said.

Headmistress of Palouriotissa gymnasium, Maria Theodotou, told the conference that one positive came out from the many negatives of a recent study undertaken by the school.

“When asked if children have problems co-existing with immigrant children, the majority said NO.”

The same study revealed that the majority of parents did not want their children being friends with foreign children or even in the same class.

Theodotou said education needed readjustment to the new realities in Cyprus, “going beyond the traditional mono-cultural and mono-language character of education”.

Paraphrasing and updating the words of the ancient orator Pericles, she said: “We have our place open to foreigners but at the same time, we have our hearts and minds open to diversity.”

Academic Constantinos Fellas stressed the need for recognition of the problem and for dialogue.

“Racism is not something we can hide in the closet nor can it be accepted as a ‘soft’ form of ‘xenophobia’ based on naivety and/or ignorance,” he said.



Copyright © Cyprus Mail 2008


I think also that it is a total comparative of national standards of personal and general security. This kid probably wasn't born when the world saw the demise of Ceaucescu. Romania's whole outlook is positive now and has been for years. They are rebuilding and progressing. This child has come to Cyp and doesn't see the degree of positivity he did in his homeland. It doesn't necessarily mean his new home is any worse, just different. He is also suffering psychological upheavals. His mind is going through all sorts and he is trying to adapt, at an early age, to an alien environment.

I think this is a very unfair article aimed at tarnishing the image of Cyprus. Unfair in that they use a child who is vulnerable due to his situation to obtain this information from. I don't think the Cyp Mail should have published this for 101 reasons.
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