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[erolz]

I actually find it offensive the suggestion that the money that the RoC gives to refugees buying their 1st home is permanent and final compensation for what they lost in the north.

Who is suggesting this? No one as far as I can see? Really if we (or GC 'traitors' like the author of the article) say X and you take it as us saying Y what hope is there for any progress?

Get it through your thick sculls - you cannot to possess, develop and build on GC land in the north and hope to get away with it without paying a price.

Through our thick skulls? TC paid a heavy price for GC nationlism (for Greece - not Cyprus) from 63 to 74. We paid in the lives of our loved ones and in lost lands and posessions. We have paid a price for the events of 74 and still pay that price today to a considerable degree. We showed a willing to pay more in our yes vote to the annan plan, in returned land and return of some GC to properties they owned pre 74. The price paid by TC may not be sufficent for you but we have paid much - be that enough or not. Do you think with your presumably thin skull that GC should not accept there is some price to pay for their past actions or the past actions of those they empowered to lead them?

[MicAtCyp]

If they elect to apply for a grant it can take over 6 months before they see any money.

First of all a big bravo to the TC members of the forum. There is no information about the free areas they don't discover.What do we discover about the occupied areas? Nothing! I bet most GC members of the forum don't even know there are 5 different types of "titled deeds" at the occupied.

Anyway, 15 years ago we decided to buy a house. We were waiting and waiting for that grant (because my wife is a refugee.) 15 years ago it was only 5,500 pounds. Anyway at about the 7th month they turned us down because our salaries exceeded the limit of poverty!!! So we used the usual method in Cyprus to lick some asses. So in just 45 days they approved us! We got our 5,500 grant. And the next day we paid 7,500 pounds tax to get our tittle deed!!!!! What a nice grant ha?

Anyway it was still some saving.I mean people who are not refugees do pay the same amount of tax to get the tittle deed without getting any "grant".

[-mikkie2-]

[Through our thick skulls? TC paid a heavy price for GC nationlism (for Greece - not Cyprus) from 63 to 74. We paid in the lives of our loved ones and in lost lands and posessions. We have paid a price for the events of 74 and still pay that price today to a considerable degree. We showed a willing to pay more in our yes vote to the annan plan, in returned land and return of some GC to properties they owned pre 74. The price paid by TC may not be sufficent for you but we have paid much - be that enough or not. Do you think with your presumably thin skull that GC should not accept there is some price to pay for their past actions or the past actions of those they empowered to lead them?

And I suppose the GC's paid no price at all. We don't pay a price since 1974 either. How little you know about the price the GC's have paid and continue to pay Erol.

I have to apologise for not reading your previous posts properly but I wasn't aiming my comments to you in particular. What I'm fed up about hearing is that we have to continue to pay even after a solution. The Turks can rub our noses in it for a while but there has to come a point where enough is enough.

No TC here seems to understand the basic fundamental grievance of the GC's, that they have to be deprived of their properties and for their god given right to settle freely anywhere in their own country for the sake of a botched solution.

If you cannot comprehend, or understand or appreciate our reasons for saying no then there is no point sitting here discussing things. You can have you 'BBF' solution. Nobody wishes to deprive you of that, but forgive me if I think that his is a smokescreen for legaising the land grab that was performed on your behalf.

[erolz]

And I suppose the GC's paid no price at all. We don't pay a price since 1974 either. How little you know about the price the GC's have paid and continue to pay Erol.

Did I say GC have paid no price for their attempts to steal the TC communites rights? No I did not. Did I whine that TC have already paid too much and will pay no more? No I did not.

No TC here seems to understand the basic fundamental grievance of the GC's, that they have to be deprived of their properties and for their god given right to settle freely anywhere in their own country for the sake of a botched solution.

I understand that you wish to steal the TC commuites rights and pay no price for that theft - your objective in 63 and still your objective now.

If you cannot comprehend, or understand or appreciate our reasons for saying no then there is no point sitting here discussing things. You can have you 'BBF' solution. Nobody wishes to deprive you of that, but forgive me if I think that his is a smokescreen for legaising the land grab that was performed on your behalf.

You say 'nobody wishes to deprive us of that'? Is Piratis and slaonica and other here 'no one'. They constantly tell us we can be no more than a political minority in out own homeland.

[brother]

Erol,

ignore there comments as they are hell bent on violating our human rights by trying to steal our political rights and label us minority. these thieves have been violating our human rights for over 30 years and topped it by enforcing 30 years of sanctions that has caused us poverty and anguish, they are the biggest hypocrits on the planet.

[-mikkie2-]

Look Erol. You tell me how I am depriving you of political equality by demanding that the refugees be given the choice to return (or not) to their properties and to allow ALL Cypriots to settle wherever they wish in their homeland.

We have discussed how political equality be achieved WITHOUT depriving the basic human rights of people. This obvioulsy is not enough for you. You want the ethnic division to prevail in politics as well as on the ground.

I understand that you wish to steal the TC commuites rights and pay no price for that theft - your objective in 63 and still your objective now.

But this is not what I am subscribing to. I am subscribing to a solution that provides for political equality WITHOUT compromising peolpes basic human rights. You are basically saying that you want your rights back and yet keep what was taken away from us in the process as well. That cannot be and no GC will vote away their rights for that to happen. I will repeat again, most people do not give a shit about the political solution as long as their basic rights are not compromised. If you cannot appreciate this basic fact then yuo cannot talk about forming a democratic, free and united Cyprus.

[metecyp]

I am subscribing to a solution that provides for political equality WITHOUT compromising peolpes basic human rights.

I remember discussing this with you in a different thread a while ago. I don't remember though that we all agreed this kind of a solution (political equality for TCs without harming anyone's human rights in a bizonal bicommunal federation) is possible. Why dont' we start a new thread and just discuss if this is possible and settle this for once and all??

[erolz]

Look Erol. You tell me how I am depriving you of political equality by demanding that the refugees be given the choice to return (or not) to their properties and to allow ALL Cypriots to settle wherever they wish in their homeland.

We have discussed how political equality be achieved WITHOUT depriving the basic human rights of people. This obvioulsy is not enough for you. You want the ethnic division to prevail in politics as well as on the ground.

I understand that you wish to steal the TC commuites rights and pay no price for that theft - your objective in 63 and still your objective now.

But this is not what I am subscribing to. I am subscribing to a solution that provides for political equality WITHOUT compromising peolpes basic human rights. You are basically saying that you want your rights back and yet keep what was taken away from us in the process as well. That cannot be and no GC will vote away their rights for that to happen. I will repeat again, most people do not give a shit about the political solution as long as their basic rights are not compromised. If you cannot appreciate this basic fact then yuo cannot talk about forming a democratic, free and united Cyprus.

If a solution can be found that guarantees the TC communites legitimate rights to a degree of political equality and does not require any restrictions on GC either then I welcome and support it. The question is would GC like Piratis and Salaonica that insist the TC community can have no status other than poltical minority also support such a solution? Or more importantly would TP support it?