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[Piratis]

An overwhelming majority of TCs want partition, or disguised partition like Annan plan. In this forum for example the only TCs that want unification are Kikapu and Bir.

If you are not racist and you want unification then why you don't agree to end all illegalities, let everybody return to their own homes, and all Cypriots to be equal without racist discriminations and live anywhere they want in their own island?

The most racist act ever committed on this island, which you continue to support today, is the ehtnic cleansing of Greek Cypriots from their own lands. You expelled from their own homes 100s of thousands of Greek Cypriots simply because they are Greek, and now you claim that our lands are supposedly yours!!! And then you say you are not racist????

What about when you did the same? why were you not correctıng illegalities back then? Where was democracy and human rıghts for all back then?

Democracy and human rights for all is what we always wanted. It is you who didn't want democracy, and insisted on the racist separation of people based on their ethnic background, so you would be able to impose your minority opinion on Cyprus. This is what you insisting today as well. Nothing changed since the 1958 for you.

Please answer the questıon.

The question is answered. Is there any time where we didn't want democracy where all Cypriot citizens are equal without racist discriminations? Isn't it always you who wanted the discrimination and segregation of Cypriots based on their ethnic background?

[denizaksulu]

An overwhelming majority of TCs want partition, or disguised partition like Annan plan. In this forum for example the only TCs that want unification are Kikapu and Bir.

If you are not racist and you want unification then why you don't agree to end all illegalities, let everybody return to their own homes, and all Cypriots to be equal without racist discriminations and live anywhere they want in their own island?

The most racist act ever committed on this island, which you continue to support today, is the ehtnic cleansing of Greek Cypriots from their own lands. You expelled from their own homes 100s of thousands of Greek Cypriots simply because they are Greek, and now you claim that our lands are supposedly yours!!! And then you say you are not racist????

What about when you did the same? why were you not correctıng illegalities back then? Where was democracy and human rıghts for all back then?

Democracy and human rights for all is what we always wanted. It is you who didn't want democracy, and insisted on the racist separation of people based on their ethnic background, so you would be able to impose your minority opinion on Cyprus. This is what you insisting today as well. Nothing changed since the 1958 for you.

How ludicrous can you get Piratis. Now that the boot is on the other foot, you talk about "Democracy and human rights ". Where were these prior to 1963 and right up to 1974. You better get a grip on the realities of what really happened.

[denizaksulu]

Thats what they teach you at your schools, and it is nothing but a lie my friend. << quote

No, they don't treat us bad things at school, like they do in your schools..

Again empty slogans xxNilxx.

In our schools they don't teach us anything against Turkish Cypriots. Against Turkey yes, and everything is true, but not against TCs. In fact they omit many of the crimes that TCs commited against us.

On the other hand in your shcools they brainwash you with hate propaganda against Greek Cypriots.
You know why is like that xxNilxx? Because the goverment of Republic of Cyprus has unification as an aim. It aims for a united Cyprus where all people live together in peace. therefore it is not in its interests to spread hate between the two communities.

On the other hand the aim of the occupation regime is partition. For this reason they are trying to present GCs as the "evils" in order to excuse why it is necessary to steal the lands of the "evil GCs" and Cypriots to be separated so the "innocent TCs" can be separated from the "evil GCs".

and also why do u keep referring to ottoman empire? when the greeks first came to cyprus, i bet they did the exact same thing.

First of all if Turkey was any different towards us than what the Ottoman empire was then all that would be forgotten and forgiven and would be nothing more than history. Unfortunately Turkey continues today to act in the exact same way, invading our lands, keeping them under occupation and denying to the Cypriot people their freedom.

And about how Greeks first came to Cyprus you lost the bet. Greeks came to Cyprus many 1000s years ago, when Cyprus was mostly uninhabited and they created their own new cities on land that belonged to nobody. The Greeks came to Cyprus as traders and made Cyprus their home. The Turks came to Cyprus as invaders, with the aim to enslave and exploit the Cypriots.

Mr Broken Grammaphone, you say "On the other hand in your shcools they brainwash you with hate propaganda against Greek Cypriots. "

I will be obliged if you could furnish us with some proof of this

I base this on what almost all TCs in here believe. If in your schools they taught the truth then the younger TCs wouldn't just adopt the hate propaganda of the Dektash generation.

Two examples:

1) Apparently in the TC schools they don't tell to the students that it is the TCs who initiated the inter communal confilict in 1958. They apparently don't tell the students that in that conflict some 100s of people from both sides where killed. They let the students believe that GCs are the ones who initiated the conflict, and that the conflict was one way only, with the "evil" GCs killing the "innocent" TCs, never telling them about the 100s of innocent GCs that got killed.

2) For 1974 they obviously repeat to the students the usual Turkish propaganda lie, that Turkey made a "peace operation" to "save the innocent TCs who were killed". They don't tell them the truth, which is that in 1974 no TC was killed until after the Turks with the help of the TC extremists invaded Cyprus and started to kill Greek Cypriots by the 1000s.

Is this not what they teach TC students Deniz? Do you not admit that the whole education in the occupied areas is based on excusing the invasion and the creation of the pseudo state, and they use their "evil GC" stories in order to achieve this?

Piratis, above you made claims which I challenge. You provide the evidence of what TC children are taught in TC schools.

[bilako22]

Hmm.. I guess lying is all Greeks seem to be good at. The minority population never attacked the majority first. EOKA? Grivas? You cold-blooded murderers seem to have forgotten those days to quickly.

I am very happy with the situation in Cyprus right now, and I truely believe that we do not have to unite with the murderers of my mother's and father's families, grivas supporters. Right now there is peace in Cyprus. I hope that Cyprus will always stay separate like this and the many traitor Turkish Cypriots who want unification with pis gavurs (dirty evil Orthadox) will see your true evil face.

Thats what they teach you at your schools, and it is nothing but a lie my friend.

The intercommunal conflict started in 1958 when Turkish Cypriots attacked the Greek Cypriots. Have you watched the video I posted to you? It clearly documents this undisputed fact, and yet you still prefer to repeat the propaganda lies they teach you in your schools in order to excuse the crimes you continue to commit against us today.

It is also interesting that you accuse Cypriots of being "murderers" and you pretent to be innocent.

Lets see the events and the murders:

1) From 1489 until 1570 Turks attack Cyprus in many occasions, killing Cypriots, raiding our cities and taking captives as slaves.

2) 1570 the Turks attack again with a full-scale invasion, killing 10s of thousands of people. In Nicosia alone they killed 20.000 Nicosians.

3) 1571 - 1878 Cyprus is under Turkish rule. The Turks treat the Cypriots as second category people with almost no right. Every time the Cypriots try to revolt the Turks slaughter Cypriots by the 100s and 1000s.

4) After only a short brake of 80 years, in 1958, and while Cypriots are revolting against their new ruler the British, the Turks attack Cypriots again in order to help the British to oppress our revolution. In that conflict which the Turks started (watch the video I posted earlier) both sides have a few 100s of losses each.

5) In 1974, the Turks invade Cyprus again, killing 1000s and ethnically cleansing 100s of thousands. The Turkish propaganda lies saying that they invaded supposdedly to protect the TCs, while the truth is that no TC was harmed in 1974 before the Turkish invasion had started. The few 100s of TCs that were killed in that war were killed only after the Turks with the help of TCs started their invasion and killing Cypriots by the 1000s.

So:

a) The Turks are the ones who started all conflicts in Cyprus:

The Turks are the ones who without any provocation from us started the whole conflict by raiding and then invading and occupying our island.

The Turks are the ones who started the intercommunal conflict in 1958

The Turks are the ones who started the war of 1974.

b) In terms of murders, the Turks have killed 1000s and 10s of thousands of Cypriots in several occasions, while your losses which are all in conflicts which you started where only some 100s.

Man , I hate these murdering Turks . Hang on a second , I am a Turk. Do I hate my murdering self ? Did I imagine the Greeks trying to destroy us murdering Turks during 1960 to 1974?

Apparently your memory is failing you. Otherwise you would know that the inter communal conflict didn't start in 1960, but in 1958, and it is the TCs who started it by attacking Greek Cypriots. Furthermore in that conflict both sides had about an equal number of casualties.

I like it how the TCs omit the fact that it is them who started the inter-communal conflict, then also omit the fact that they killed 100s of GCs in that conflict, and then they talk only about their own casualties and suffering during the conflict in their effort to present themselves as the "innocents" and the GCs as the "evils" who now deserve to have their lands stolen and their rights violated.

We had independence in 1960 and a chance for a new start. You guys instead used the instruments of government to ethnic cleanse and murder us until 1974 when we were freed from the Greek curse.

[miltiades]

Hmm.. I guess lying is all Greeks seem to be good at. The minority population never attacked the majority first. EOKA? Grivas? You cold-blooded murderers seem to have forgotten those days to quickly.

I am very happy with the situation in Cyprus right now, and I truely believe that we do not have to unite with the murderers of my mother's and father's families, grivas supporters. Right now there is peace in Cyprus. I hope that Cyprus will always stay separate like this and the many traitor Turkish Cypriots who want unification with pis gavurs (dirty evil Orthadox) will see your true evil face.

Thats what they teach you at your schools, and it is nothing but a lie my friend.

The intercommunal conflict started in 1958 when Turkish Cypriots attacked the Greek Cypriots. Have you watched the video I posted to you? It clearly documents this undisputed fact, and yet you still prefer to repeat the propaganda lies they teach you in your schools in order to excuse the crimes you continue to commit against us today.

It is also interesting that you accuse Cypriots of being "murderers" and you pretent to be innocent.

Lets see the events and the murders:

1) From 1489 until 1570 Turks attack Cyprus in many occasions, killing Cypriots, raiding our cities and taking captives as slaves.

2) 1570 the Turks attack again with a full-scale invasion, killing 10s of thousands of people. In Nicosia alone they killed 20.000 Nicosians.

3) 1571 - 1878 Cyprus is under Turkish rule. The Turks treat the Cypriots as second category people with almost no right. Every time the Cypriots try to revolt the Turks slaughter Cypriots by the 100s and 1000s.

4) After only a short brake of 80 years, in 1958, and while Cypriots are revolting against their new ruler the British, the Turks attack Cypriots again in order to help the British to oppress our revolution. In that conflict which the Turks started (watch the video I posted earlier) both sides have a few 100s of losses each.

5) In 1974, the Turks invade Cyprus again, killing 1000s and ethnically cleansing 100s of thousands. The Turkish propaganda lies saying that they invaded supposdedly to protect the TCs, while the truth is that no TC was harmed in 1974 before the Turkish invasion had started. The few 100s of TCs that were killed in that war were killed only after the Turks with the help of TCs started their invasion and killing Cypriots by the 1000s.

So:

a) The Turks are the ones who started all conflicts in Cyprus:

The Turks are the ones who without any provocation from us started the whole conflict by raiding and then invading and occupying our island.

The Turks are the ones who started the intercommunal conflict in 1958

The Turks are the ones who started the war of 1974.

b) In terms of murders, the Turks have killed 1000s and 10s of thousands of Cypriots in several occasions, while your losses which are all in conflicts which you started where only some 100s.

Man , I hate these murdering Turks . Hang on a second , I am a Turk. Do I hate my murdering self ? Did I imagine the Greeks trying to destroy us murdering Turks during 1960 to 1974?

Apparently your memory is failing you. Otherwise you would know that the inter communal conflict didn't start in 1960, but in 1958, and it is the TCs who started it by attacking Greek Cypriots. Furthermore in that conflict both sides had about an equal number of casualties.

I like it how the TCs omit the fact that it is them who started the inter-communal conflict, then also omit the fact that they killed 100s of GCs in that conflict, and then they talk only about their own casualties and suffering during the conflict in their effort to present themselves as the "innocents" and the GCs as the "evils" who now deserve to have their lands stolen and their rights violated.

We had independence in 1960 and a chance for a new start. You guys instead used the instruments of government to ethnic cleanse and murder us until 1974 when we were freed from the Greek curse.

Do you have any figures Bilako of the number of casualties from 1967 to 1974 , this is about 7 years prior to the Turkish invasion. It looks to me that the defence against aggression by Turkey is that the T/Cs were being massacred , well lets see some evidence of this onslaught against the T/Cs SEVEN YEARS before the invasion. You can even post propaganda figures , just post something !!

[shahmaran]

Piratis, these are YOUR facts alone, your twisted bullshit, you might sell this to the EU and to the tourists but we are Cypriot, we know exactly what happened here and its definitely NOT Piratis history, it wasn't ALL about 74 either, so save your shit to someone who doesn't know and might care for your junk.

Facts my arse!

I can understand that newbie little snot xxNilxx being clueless but you've been with us so long shahmaran... ...how many links and other evidence have we posted for you in the last year or two?

Historical facts are not needed to be confirmed by you nor anyone else on this forum GR, interpretations of them however, do need to be discussed, specially with Piratis who's version cleverly and shamelessly places ALL of the blame on the Turks.

How ever so disgraceful Piratis.

The next step will be to totally submit us to another one of his wonderful "interpretations", democracy, which apparently also gives him the right for Enosis because apparently the majority literally owns the island, and then voila, Cyprus belongs to you and we are just another lot of tourists in our own country!

Well fuck you very much, but who the hell do you think you are kidding man?

Basically you claim that it is ALL our fault, all Turks must go back to Turkey because of it and take all the guns with them too, while dropping guarantor status thus leaving for good while you are stocking up on top of the line army toys on the other side.

You also want the dubious "200,000" to come to the North as well and take their properties back, well it is all our fault anyways so we might as well just leave the island, well shall we also pull our pants down on the way out and bend over too?

Just to make things easier for you

Did we venture out of our island to harm any Turks shahmaran? Isn't it the Turks who invaded us, killed 10s of thousands of Cypriots, oppressed us, and butchered us every time we revolted for our freedom?

Then in the 1950, during our revolt against the British, isn't it the Turks who again attacked us starting the intercommunal conflict and demanding that we should be ethnically cleansed from half of our country, a plan that they put into action some years later by ethnically cleansing 100s of thousands of Cypriots and replacing them with Turkish Settlers?

Yes, most of the blame lies with those foreign powers who used their armies, and later your minority as well, in order to deny to Cypriots their freedom and their rights.

Of course in the conflicts and wars which you started against us you also had some victims. But what did you expect? The fact is that it is you who started all the conflicts and wars, with the aim to deprive us from our lands and our rights on our island.

If it would go our way, then in 1950 (or even earlier) a peaceful democratic referendum would be held, each Cypriot would cast their vote (including the TCs) and the people of Cyprus would decide in a democratic way which of the legitimate options for de-colonization of their island they preferred.

Unfortunately the UK and Turkey didn't want to allow Cypriots to peacefully and democratically take decisions for their own island, and you were quick to side with those foreigners and attack us just because you disagreed with the democratic choice of the overwhelming majority of the Cypriot people, who after centuries of being oppressed by British, Turks and others, they finally wanted to take the decisions for their own island in a democratic way.

OK whatever you say Piratis, I have already given my thoughts on the matter you simply choose to re-repeat everything you have been repeating since the first time i have logged on to this forum simply because that seems to be your witty strategy and NOT what actually happened, if you keep repeating it it wont suddenly morph from bullshit to the diamond of truth!

You oversimplify history to your liking, I believe that's the essence of propaganda. This way all idiots can easily buy your crap.

[boomerang]

Hey Piratis, arguing with fools and telling them about democratic rights ain't gonna get you anywhere...Just have a look in "turkey=fascist state" what is happening today...the AKP wins 47% of the vote and the minority is trying to get them banned...this is what they call democracy...hopefully at the end they get what they gave us...as the saying goes, what goes around comes around...

Its a lost cause mate...

[shahmaran]

Yeah if your understanding of democracy is anywhere along the lines of AKP then we have every right to fight till the end just like Turkey.

AKP cannot turn Turkey into Iran because they have 47% behind them, just like you cannot turn Cyprus into Greece because you are the majority.

We simply will not let you and you can cry for democracy all you like.

Lost cause indeed.

Lets all force our women to cover and chop heads and arms as a punishment because the majority says so.

Way to go "boomers=the forum fart", you are crapping out of the wrong orifice again, you should stick to posting lame articles and refrain from making any comments because you only talk pure shit

[boomerang]

Yeah if your understanding of democracy is anywhere along the lines of AKP then we have every right to fight till the end just like Turkey.

AKP cannot turn Turkey into Iran because they have 47% behind them, just like you cannot turn Cyprus into Greece because you are the majority.

We simply will not let you and you can cry for democracy all you like.

Lost cause indeed.

Lets all force our women to cover and chop heads and arms as a punishment because the majority says so.

Way to go "boomers=the forum fart", you are crapping out of the wrong orifice again, you should stick to posting lame articles and refrain from making any comments because you only talk pure shit

Now this is what I call big time propaganda...Why have elections shitforbrains?...I know lets change the name to the mickey mouse country and get over and done...coz at the end of the day this is what you got...a mickey mouse country...

In normal countries democracy rules, with the exemption of a country that is full of shitforbrains...

See the above interpretation of democracy from our resident shitforbrains to know what I'm talking about...

End of the day it is the country and people voted...you have no say what so ever about it...after all you are only a wannabe turk...

PS...if you don't like the way "turkey=fascist state" is running, then migrate...oh, I forgot, you are not even a citizen just a wannabe

[shahmaran]

Yeah if your understanding of democracy is anywhere along the lines of AKP then we have every right to fight till the end just like Turkey.

AKP cannot turn Turkey into Iran because they have 47% behind them, just like you cannot turn Cyprus into Greece because you are the majority.

We simply will not let you and you can cry for democracy all you like.

Lost cause indeed.

Lets all force our women to cover and chop heads and arms as a punishment because the majority says so.

Way to go "boomers=the forum fart", you are crapping out of the wrong orifice again, you should stick to posting lame articles and refrain from making any comments because you only talk pure shit

Now this is what I call big time propaganda...Why have elections shitforbrains?...I know lets change the name to the mickey mouse country and get over and done...coz at the end of the day this is what you got...a mickey mouse country...

In normal countries democracy rules, with the exemption of a country that is full of shitforbrains...

See the above interpretation of democracy from our resident shitforbrains to know what I'm talking about...

End of the day it is the country and people voted...you have no say what so ever about it...after all you are only a wannabe turk...

PS...if you don't like the way "turkey=fascist state" is running, then migrate...oh, I forgot, you are not even a citizen just a wannabe

Turkey is not a normal country and neither is Cyprus "boomers=the forum fart", both countries are seriously divided by either ethnic or religious groups trying to gain advantage over the other one and impose their will on them.

Show me the logic behind doing something that is clearly wrong, backward, inhumane and extremely unfair to the minority" simply to satisfy democracy?

I tell you what it is, its either power greed or its foreign interests, that's all, there is absolutely fuck all in it that is moral nor just.

Kind of like your kind self "boomers=the forum fart"