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[Andros]

Hello everyone, Sorry for my absence, I’ve had to spend time in hospital due to an operation on my liver (unfortunately took too long to heal – but I’m better now).

My first question to you all is as follows, where, while spending days and nights in hospital over the last few months in Cyprus, I had the opportunity to gather the thoughts, threats and opinions of many of the Cypriots living on the island (both Greek and Turkish).

Question:
Do you all agree with the following paragraph statement acknowledged by those people I had spent time with in hospital from both Greek and Turkish Cypriots?

Statement by both Greek and Turkish Cypriots:
“Greek and Turkish Cypriot fears in a possible federal solution are real, and should not be ignored. We are not suggesting partition, but perhaps it would be logical to at least consider the success stories of the agreed/mutual split of the former Czechoslovakia and Serbia/Montenegro Dual Republic. This is why………The Turkish Cypriots fear a solution that has no Inter-Constituent states, no Guarantorship of Turkey, no 50/50 rights in all governmental activities and, due to the present majority Greek Cypriot population on the island, that they will eventually be consumed and be regarded as another minority people only. While, many Greek Cypriots living in Cyprus strongly believe that a federal formula of a United Cyprus remotely similar to the former Annan Confederal plan may well open an UNOPPOSED road to Turkey’s completed EU membership entry (due to the Turkish Cypriot counter of any Greek Cypriot veto against Turkey), allow Turkey to eventually flood the island of Cyprus with as many Turkish people from Turkey as it chooses, therefore shifting the demography of the island of Cyprus (with which its population is already relatively low) to a clear majority of Turks from Turkey. In essence, regardless of how the government was originally formed and with respect to the democratic based laws of all members of the European Union, the democratic voting system on the island of Cyprus would always swing to a “Turkish” (majority people) win scenario. Therefore, the island, after a honey period when Turkey would join the EU (after 2017), due to the above possible scenario, could ultimately become a Turkish majority island. We are not saying that Turkey should not join the EU due to its threat of flooding the island, but merely amplifying how the Turkish Cypriots on the island as partner peoples of and future federal based Cyprus-United Republic may well assist their Turkish “kin” (as Turkey puts it) in shifting the Greek/Turkish demography on the island. We realise that both peoples on the island regard them selves as being “Cypriot”, but the truth after so many years of separation since 1974 is that we have actually grown apart, and in the case of the Turkish Cypriots, shifted closer to their (as can be seen by their demand of their “TRNC” flag included in the “Annan Plan of 2004”) Turkish’ ness. We have also realised that the Turkish Cypriots are very undecisive, especially after their reaction to the failed Annan Plan referendum – how they suddenly drew very close with Turkey, how Talat now demands the condition of Guarantor ship as an important element to any future Cyprus agreement, and their demand for the Turkish military to remain on the island. Mr Talat has surely changed since those days prior to his appointment as the President of the “TRNC”. Are these a partner-peoples we should be seriously considering establishing a united Cyprus with.”

The above statement is a hybrid of quotes taken from both Greek and Turkish Cypriots; patients, staff and visitors. Although I took an observer roll only, I could not help but notice how passionate the above view were expressed by both Turkish and Greek Cypriots. In conclusion, a old Greek Cypriot person lying next to me said the following,

Statement by Babis Anastasiou, 68 years old:
“I know what Turkey is thinking. Turkey wants EU entry, no matter what. It believes Cyprus, as it presently stands, is stopping them. They are willing to sign ANY Cyprus deal, knowing that they will once again be able to influence the weak minded Turkish Cypriots into forcing a two-state split in the future like the way Montenegro did to Serbia, but with the strong backing of a future EU member Turkish Republic (who will stop them!). But, you must realise this, the territorial split (claim) the Turkish Cypriots will be pushing for with the help of EU member Turkey in the future will be far larger than the split we can push them for today. I hope President Christofias realises this sooner rather than later, as I have no reservation in saying that he will either regret his trusting-liberal actions, or be praised for his foresight in avoiding a disaster”.

I don’t know about you all, but I believe the statement above by Babis is very real and should be taken seriously. What are your views?

[DT.]

I think you're a partionist. I don't like partitionists.

[Get Real!]

I think you're a partionist. I don't like partitionists.

Ditto, but go back and replace "don't like" with "loathe"...

[Andros]

A partitionist is someone who agrees with the Status Quo - I DON'T.

I agree with an "Agreed" formula to remove Turkey out of the Cyprus equation, where the only way of doing so is to give the Turkish Cypriot what they want, thus forcing Turkey out of the equation at the same time, AND - ON OUR TERMS!

- No Morphu
- No Varosha
- No Buffer Zone
- And, no Turkish rights of Intervention according to our constitution.

You all must realise that our PRESENT constitution still gives TURKEY the right of intervention!

A solution is a must, but please back-up and think about the entire scope of what you imply, as clearly you dismiss the court-room side of the Cyprus issue.

We have the chance to seal the Cyprus issue once and for all. Failure to do that this time will be a major setback for the entire island and not only us. A "NO" from us again in a future referendum will surely LEGALLY split the island with a 37% Recognised Turkish NORTH.

Both, the us and the Turksih Cypriots will lose!

This reality you all must understand.

[Viewpoint]

A partitionist is someone who agrees with the Status Quo - I DON'T.

I agree with an "Agreed" formula to remove Turkey out of the Cyprus equation, where the only way of doing so is to give the Turkish Cypriot what they want, thus forcing Turkey out of the equation at the same time, AND - ON OUR TERMS!

- No Morphu
- No Varosha
- No Buffer Zone
- And, no Turkish rights of Intervention according to our constitution.

You all must realise that our PRESENT constitution still gives TURKEY the right of intervention!

A solution is a must, but please back-up and think about the entire scope of what you imply, as clearly you dismiss the court-room side of the Cyprus issue.

We have the chance to seal the Cyprus issue once and for all. Failure to do that this time will be a major setback for the entire island and not only us. A "NO" from us again in a future referendum will surely LEGALLY split the island with a 37% Recognised Turkish NORTH.

Both, the us and the Turksih Cypriots will lose!

This reality you all must understand.

Why will the TCs lose if GCs do not agree another solution and recognition is the only way to resolve a hot patato in the laps of the "Europeans".

[Paphitis]

A partitionist is someone who agrees with the Status Quo - I DON'T.

I agree with an "Agreed" formula to remove Turkey out of the Cyprus equation, where the only way of doing so is to give the Turkish Cypriot what they want, thus forcing Turkey out of the equation at the same time, AND - ON OUR TERMS!

- No Morphu
- No Varosha
- No Buffer Zone
- And, no Turkish rights of Intervention according to our constitution.

You all must realise that our PRESENT constitution still gives TURKEY the right of intervention!

A solution is a must, but please back-up and think about the entire scope of what you imply, as clearly you dismiss the court-room side of the Cyprus issue.

We have the chance to seal the Cyprus issue once and for all. Failure to do that this time will be a major setback for the entire island and not only us. A "NO" from us again in a future referendum will surely LEGALLY split the island with a 37% Recognised Turkish NORTH.

Both, the us and the Turksih Cypriots will lose!

This reality you all must understand.

Why will the TCs lose if GCs do not agree another solution and recognition is the only way to resolve a hot patato in the laps of the "Europeans".

Dream on. There will be no agreed partition. We will not legitimise your illegal actions. Fullstop.

[Viewpoint]

A partitionist is someone who agrees with the Status Quo - I DON'T.

I agree with an "Agreed" formula to remove Turkey out of the Cyprus equation, where the only way of doing so is to give the Turkish Cypriot what they want, thus forcing Turkey out of the equation at the same time, AND - ON OUR TERMS!

- No Morphu
- No Varosha
- No Buffer Zone
- And, no Turkish rights of Intervention according to our constitution.

You all must realise that our PRESENT constitution still gives TURKEY the right of intervention!

A solution is a must, but please back-up and think about the entire scope of what you imply, as clearly you dismiss the court-room side of the Cyprus issue.

We have the chance to seal the Cyprus issue once and for all. Failure to do that this time will be a major setback for the entire island and not only us. A "NO" from us again in a future referendum will surely LEGALLY split the island with a 37% Recognised Turkish NORTH.

Both, the us and the Turksih Cypriots will lose!

This reality you all must understand.

Why will the TCs lose if GCs do not agree another solution and recognition is the only way to resolve a hot potato in the laps of the "Europeans".

Dream on. There will be no agreed partition. We will not legitimise your illegal actions. Fullstop.

If you are confident that you can do this for the next 100 years and reject every solution that the international arena place on the table then good luck.

[humanist]

I'd go with the risk, at this tage of the game

[Paphitis]

A partitionist is someone who agrees with the Status Quo - I DON'T.

I agree with an "Agreed" formula to remove Turkey out of the Cyprus equation, where the only way of doing so is to give the Turkish Cypriot what they want, thus forcing Turkey out of the equation at the same time, AND - ON OUR TERMS!

- No Morphu
- No Varosha
- No Buffer Zone
- And, no Turkish rights of Intervention according to our constitution.

You all must realise that our PRESENT constitution still gives TURKEY the right of intervention!

A solution is a must, but please back-up and think about the entire scope of what you imply, as clearly you dismiss the court-room side of the Cyprus issue.

We have the chance to seal the Cyprus issue once and for all. Failure to do that this time will be a major setback for the entire island and not only us. A "NO" from us again in a future referendum will surely LEGALLY split the island with a 37% Recognised Turkish NORTH.

Both, the us and the Turksih Cypriots will lose!

This reality you all must understand.

Why will the TCs lose if GCs do not agree another solution and recognition is the only way to resolve a hot potato in the laps of the "Europeans".

Dream on. There will be no agreed partition. We will not legitimise your illegal actions. Fullstop.

If you are confident that you can do this for the next 100 years and reject every solution that the international arena place on the table then good luck.

I do not see any solutions forth coming from the international arena. Annan Plan was one of a kind and it was rejected. Cypriots are responsible to forge their own solution.

The GCs will never legitimise your gains. So unless the "trnc" starts getting serious and compromise for a fair and viable solution, then the status quo will remain for many more years to come, until of course.....................................................................I do not need to spell it out as I fear causing Miltiades a stroke.

[miltiades]

A partitionist is someone who agrees with the Status Quo - I DON'T.

I agree with an "Agreed" formula to remove Turkey out of the Cyprus equation, where the only way of doing so is to give the Turkish Cypriot what they want, thus forcing Turkey out of the equation at the same time, AND - ON OUR TERMS!

- No Morphu
- No Varosha
- No Buffer Zone
- And, no Turkish rights of Intervention according to our constitution.

You all must realise that our PRESENT constitution still gives TURKEY the right of intervention!

A solution is a must, but please back-up and think about the entire scope of what you imply, as clearly you dismiss the court-room side of the Cyprus issue.

We have the chance to seal the Cyprus issue once and for all. Failure to do that this time will be a major setback for the entire island and not only us. A "NO" from us again in a future referendum will surely LEGALLY split the island with a 37% Recognised Turkish NORTH.

Both, the us and the Turksih Cypriots will lose!

This reality you all must understand.

Why will the TCs lose if GCs do not agree another solution and recognition is the only way to resolve a hot potato in the laps of the "Europeans".

Dream on. There will be no agreed partition. We will not legitimise your illegal actions. Fullstop.

If you are confident that you can do this for the next 100 years and reject every solution that the international arena place on the table then good luck.

I do not see any solutions forth coming from the international arena. Annan Plan was one of a kind and it was rejected. Cypriots are responsible to forge their own solution.

The GCs will never legitimise your gains. So unless the "trnc" starts getting serious and compromise for a fair and viable solution, then the status quo will remain for many more years to come, until of course.....................................................................I do not need to spell it out as I fear causing Miltiades a stroke.

Don't be afraid to mention the macabre " inevitable " .
We throw Turkey out of Cyprus while at the same time our flying pigs inflict devastating damage to the Southern part of Turkey !!!!
Just in case you again misinterpret what I have just said let me make it crystal clear. War will not solve anything , repercussions of an armed conflict will reverberate for years . No solution can be found through war.
Negotiations and political war can bring about a solution but war will only bring death and destruction to our island.
Let us understand one thing clearly. We are where we are because the extremists won the day way back in the early 60s through to 1974. We must not listen to the voices of demagogues , we must prepare to defend our island at all costs but we must not lose our capability to defend by attacking Turkey.
Events will dictate that Turkey removes the occupying troops from Cyprus , such events must be activated by the T/Cs and our own willingness to negotiate peacefully.