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[humanist]

Miltiades, can you please explain to us what changes we need to make to convince VP that we can live together as one people and then we can ask VP if he agrees.

nothing you will do will covince VP of a unified Cyprus. Tha man is a partitionsit and that is his view. Furthermore, I doubt if VP knows himself. If you look at the thread in one post he talks about a BBF with political equality (great stuff if mama Turka will allow it. Guess what it wont), on the other hand VP's signature supports partition.

There is something essentially wrong with that if you support a BBF put all your energy into that and focus on solution if you support partition put all your enrgy into that and support just that. However, I have noticed the argument to change as mama Turkas policies change.

[miltiades]

That is not true, I do not hate Eric anymore as he keeps Miltiades occupied.

Seriously, when is Eric coming back? We need him.

For your information Paphitis , Eric "doesn't keep me occupied" Im not some sort of a clown that needs the likes of Eric as his audience. Eric is precisely the opposite of GR and you. I have challenged many on this forum for their hatred , polemic views and dangerous comments on a public forum where search engines pick up and display.Eric hates the G/Cs just as much as you and GR hate them .
You appear to me to be totally incapable of comprehending the core substance of my views, which on the whole are on par with the views of the RoC , ie that negotiations are the best way forward using the added advantage of our European Membership. You audaciously called me a traitor and a coward because in your view and in the view of Rambo , unless I supported war AS THE ONLY OPTION , then I'm a traitor.
You have been greatly influenced by the likes of GR , just as back in the 60s many were influenced by the extremists of that day.
I stand for a united Cyprus where all the people of Cyprus will have equal rights and be protected by the judicial system incorporated and administered by Cypriots from all sides.
I do not hate my compatriots , on the contrary I have literally hundreds as friends in view of my business which invariably brings me into daily contact with T/Cs. I sell and service Catering Equipment as you may like to check out from my site www.devonscatering.co.uk
You supported the view by GR that negotiations are now history , and that war is now the ONLY option. You twisted it a number of times to suit your own wishful thinking that war must remain as an option , something totally not in line with what GR believes right now right this minute that WAR IS THE ONLY OPTION.
He is a dangerous psychopath and should be challenged by all patriots not supported by you and 16 or so other members on this forum.
So to get back to your demeaning remark on Eric keeping me busy then let me tell you that I will always challenge hate merchants and those that undermine seriously the safety of my people and the future of my island that you and Rambo want to destroy , not liberate simply because the solution required is one that all Cypriots who consider Cyprus as their motherland live peacefully on the island.

[bilako22]

Our side is not considered as negative. Pres X has done a very good job so far in pushing for peace and before too long you will see Turkey itself back on the guilty stand.

The year 2009 is fast approaching, and I for one will be enjoying the entertainment.

I agree that your current leader is more positive but he has a reject of a UN plan and 5 years of negative viewpoint to cover up or reverse, the world sees that the GCs rejected the last attempt at a solution.

Turkey is now the positive side as they always have stated they are ready when the GCs are and will always be one stop ahead. Lets see what will develop in 2008/9 the GCs are under just as much pressure form the EU to take a more European attitude than they have been doing so since they joined.

How long do you think this will last for? Maybe up until the Gambari process fails due to unrealistic demands by Turkey.

We will see but lets hope the momentum will be used positively this time to full effect to achieve a fair deal, why do you not consider that the GCs may also show that their demands are unrealistic in light of our past history.

Because today we are far from the realities of what occured in the 50s and early 60s. No one wants that any more, and it will not as long as a fair and viable solution is founded. Any solution that is unfair (Annan Plan as an example) would have eventually led to exactly what you fear.

You should understand also that many friendships are being formed between GCs and TCs through this forum. Many GCs and TCs are now arranging for social events, and so it is inconceivable that anything untoward can occur amongst friends, especially when the solution is equitable.

I feel you are being slightly naive people on both sides have been interacting for the last 5 years and we are no closer to a solution that we have ever been, theres noting wrong with people on a one to one basis, the problem is the political balance which is the major stumbling block to any solution.

The TCs still have a major barrier in trusting the GCs who still feel they are being greatly influenced by the Church and your education system which supports hate for the Turks and anything Turkish which includes us.

But we have Miltiades who loves you so. As for hating the TCs, well I can tell you that most do not.

I hate Turkey who has invaded my country and forbids my in laws from enjoying their home town and their house which they still have legal title over. I also hate them for ethnically cleansing 200,000 people from their rightful homes. This is only natural.

As for the TCs, I love you all, except for Eric.

How can you love us when we love Turkey , the country you hate?

[miltiades]

Our side is not considered as negative. Pres X has done a very good job so far in pushing for peace and before too long you will see Turkey itself back on the guilty stand.

The year 2009 is fast approaching, and I for one will be enjoying the entertainment.

I agree that your current leader is more positive but he has a reject of a UN plan and 5 years of negative viewpoint to cover up or reverse, the world sees that the GCs rejected the last attempt at a solution.

Turkey is now the positive side as they always have stated they are ready when the GCs are and will always be one stop ahead. Lets see what will develop in 2008/9 the GCs are under just as much pressure form the EU to take a more European attitude than they have been doing so since they joined.

How long do you think this will last for? Maybe up until the Gambari process fails due to unrealistic demands by Turkey.

We will see but lets hope the momentum will be used positively this time to full effect to achieve a fair deal, why do you not consider that the GCs may also show that their demands are unrealistic in light of our past history.

Because today we are far from the realities of what occured in the 50s and early 60s. No one wants that any more, and it will not as long as a fair and viable solution is founded. Any solution that is unfair (Annan Plan as an example) would have eventually led to exactly what you fear.

You should understand also that many friendships are being formed between GCs and TCs through this forum. Many GCs and TCs are now arranging for social events, and so it is inconceivable that anything untoward can occur amongst friends, especially when the solution is equitable.

I feel you are being slightly naive people on both sides have been interacting for the last 5 years and we are no closer to a solution that we have ever been, theres noting wrong with people on a one to one basis, the problem is the political balance which is the major stumbling block to any solution.

The TCs still have a major barrier in trusting the GCs who still feel they are being greatly influenced by the Church and your education system which supports hate for the Turks and anything Turkish which includes us.

But we have Miltiades who loves you so. As for hating the TCs, well I can tell you that most do not.

I hate Turkey who has invaded my country and forbids my in laws from enjoying their home town and their house which they still have legal title over. I also hate them for ethnically cleansing 200,000 people from their rightful homes. This is only natural.

As for the TCs, I love you all, except for Eric.

How can you love us when we love Turkey , the country you hate?

You love it so much and yet you bloody well dont want to go and live there mate , why is that , not big enough for you ?? (This statement is for YOUR OWN SELF , BILAKO THAT IS THE FOREIGNER )
What emotions did you expect the 200 thousand Cypriots who lost their ancestral homes as a result of Turkey invading Cyprus to have. Adoration for a third world nation that occupies a third of their country ?? It also occupies a third of the country of the T/Cs , but you are not a Cypriot as you constantly infer you are a Turk .

[repulsewarrior]

A partitionist is someone who agrees with the Status Quo - I DON'T.

I agree with an "Agreed" formula to remove Turkey out of the Cyprus equation, where the only way of doing so is to give the Turkish Cypriot what they want, thus forcing Turkey out of the equation at the same time, AND - ON OUR TERMS!

- No Morphu
- No Varosha
- No Buffer Zone
- And, no Turkish rights of Intervention according to our constitution.

You all must realise that our PRESENT constitution still gives TURKEY the right of intervention!

A solution is a must, but please back-up and think about the entire scope of what you imply, as clearly you dismiss the court-room side of the Cyprus issue.

We have the chance to seal the Cyprus issue once and for all. Failure to do that this time will be a major setback for the entire island and not only us. A "NO" from us again in a future referendum will surely LEGALLY split the island with a 37% Recognised Turkish NORTH.

Both, the us and the Turksih Cypriots will lose!

This reality you all must understand.

Why will the TCs lose if GCs do not agree another solution and recognition is the only way to resolve a hot potato in the laps of the "Europeans".

Dream on. There will be no agreed partition. We will not legitimise your illegal actions. Fullstop.

If you are confident that you can do this for the next 100 years and reject every solution that the international arena place on the table then good luck.

I do not see any solutions forth coming from the international arena. Annan Plan was one of a kind and it was rejected. Cypriots are responsible to forge their own solution.

The GCs will never legitimise your gains. So unless the "trnc" starts getting serious and compromise for a fair and viable solution, then the status quo will remain for many more years to come, until of course.....................................................................I do not need to spell it out as I fear causing Miltiades a stroke.

We have and are willing to continue as is until or if something better should come along. I cannot see the UN or the EU forcing the TCs to do anything against our will so the ball is really in your court to provide something better than the current situation, otherwise I agree the status quo will continue for a long time over which you will have to work very hard to stop developments that will reduce or even remove the isolation of the TCs viewed by many to be in the EU. The choice is yours.

Miltiades, I invite YOU to reply to this post against an individual who is capitalising on our losses. This person obviously believes that might is right and will await for something better to come along!

I would like to know what that "something better" could possibly be.

The first criteria to be considered by the G/Cs is this : DO the T/Cs have as much right to be in Cyprus as the G/Cs have , if affirmative then what changes to our general outlook do we encompass in order to show our willingness to live as one people.
The T/Cs on the other hand have to accept that no national of any nation on earth is likely to accept that part of his nation is under occupation by a foreign country and will remain so indefinitely. History teaches us that the day inevitably arrives when the situation gets out of control .
Turkey invaded Cyprus in order to avert what she saw as efforts to unite Cyprus to Greece. She can not expect the people of Cyprus to accept that she has the right to remain in Cyprus for ever and a the same time to systematically alter the local demographics .
In short , both the G/Cs and The T/Cs must face realities.
There are two irrefutable realities. First the T/Cs have as much right to call Cyprus their country just as the G/Cs have and second the T/Cs can not possibly deny the fact that the majority of Cypriots are G/Cs. Like it or not the T/Cs are a minority as T/Cs but a majority as Cypriots.
Until they also begin to disentangle themselves from Turkeys aprons there will always be that issue of minorities and majorities.
Cyprus is part of Turkey and neither is she a part of Greece.Accept and negotiate and live peacefully for ever. Reject and conflicts will erupt again and again. Get rid of the f..ng flags from the mountains of Cyprus that only serve the division and the retention of mistrust amongst our people.

There you go VP, how can you refuse such an offer? That is if you can understand the post.

Miltiades, can you please explain to us what changes we need to make to convince VP that we can live together as one people and then we can ask VP if he agrees.

First and foremost we G/Cs have to accept that the RoC IS RECOGNISED THE WORLD OVER AS AN INDEPENDENT NATION NOT AS GREEK ISLAND .
When we begin to embrace our indisputable ethnicity , stop denigrating the Cypriot nationality as we do now , remember that our passports and IDs do not separate us as G/Cs or T/Cs . Let us actively encourage our community to fly the flag of Cyprus and not the foreign Greek flag.
The T/Cs also must reciprocate when we start showing them that we are an independent nation made of of G/Cs , T/Cs , Armenians and of lately many more .
I don't see why the RoC has not replaced the Greek national anthem with our own anthem that would also embrace the other Cypriots .
Let us get our house in order first , lets paint our own "house" in the colours of Cyprus then we can demand of the T/Cs that they join us or join Turkey.
Our island has its own international image , let us convince the world that what we preach to them we also do . On one hand we sit back and revel in the fact that the International community recognises only the RoC which is the only legal entity representing the people of Cyprus , on the other we fly the bloody Greek flat and put two fingers up at the T/Cs.

LONG LIVE CYPRUS AND ALL CYPRIOTS , FOREIGN MOTHERLAND BULLSHITERS PISS OFF !!

Andros, please read:

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=15874

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=16772

if not partition, if not a RoC that is today's, why not something better?

[bilako22]

Our side is not considered as negative. Pres X has done a very good job so far in pushing for peace and before too long you will see Turkey itself back on the guilty stand.

The year 2009 is fast approaching, and I for one will be enjoying the entertainment.

I agree that your current leader is more positive but he has a reject of a UN plan and 5 years of negative viewpoint to cover up or reverse, the world sees that the GCs rejected the last attempt at a solution.

Turkey is now the positive side as they always have stated they are ready when the GCs are and will always be one stop ahead. Lets see what will develop in 2008/9 the GCs are under just as much pressure form the EU to take a more European attitude than they have been doing so since they joined.

How long do you think this will last for? Maybe up until the Gambari process fails due to unrealistic demands by Turkey.

We will see but lets hope the momentum will be used positively this time to full effect to achieve a fair deal, why do you not consider that the GCs may also show that their demands are unrealistic in light of our past history.

Because today we are far from the realities of what occured in the 50s and early 60s. No one wants that any more, and it will not as long as a fair and viable solution is founded. Any solution that is unfair (Annan Plan as an example) would have eventually led to exactly what you fear.

You should understand also that many friendships are being formed between GCs and TCs through this forum. Many GCs and TCs are now arranging for social events, and so it is inconceivable that anything untoward can occur amongst friends, especially when the solution is equitable.

I feel you are being slightly naive people on both sides have been interacting for the last 5 years and we are no closer to a solution that we have ever been, theres noting wrong with people on a one to one basis, the problem is the political balance which is the major stumbling block to any solution.

The TCs still have a major barrier in trusting the GCs who still feel they are being greatly influenced by the Church and your education system which supports hate for the Turks and anything Turkish which includes us.

But we have Miltiades who loves you so. As for hating the TCs, well I can tell you that most do not.

I hate Turkey who has invaded my country and forbids my in laws from enjoying their home town and their house which they still have legal title over. I also hate them for ethnically cleansing 200,000 people from their rightful homes. This is only natural.

As for the TCs, I love you all, except for Eric.

How can you love us when we love Turkey , the country you hate?

You love it so much and yet you bloody well dont want to go and live there mate , why is that , not big enough for you ?? (This statement is for YOUR OWN SELF , BILAKO THAT IS THE FOREIGNER )
What emotions did you expect the 200 thousand Cypriots who lost their ancestral homes as a result of Turkey invading Cyprus to have. Adoration for a third world nation that occupies a third of their country ?? It also occupies a third of the country of the T/Cs , but you are not a Cypriot as you constantly infer you are a Turk .

Come , come . Do not get upset . I am a Turk , and you said that you loved me. Why should I care about 200K Greeks when they did not care about me and my family?