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[miltiades]

A partitionist is someone who agrees with the Status Quo - I DON'T.

I agree with an "Agreed" formula to remove Turkey out of the Cyprus equation, where the only way of doing so is to give the Turkish Cypriot what they want, thus forcing Turkey out of the equation at the same time, AND - ON OUR TERMS!

- No Morphu
- No Varosha
- No Buffer Zone
- And, no Turkish rights of Intervention according to our constitution.

You all must realise that our PRESENT constitution still gives TURKEY the right of intervention!

A solution is a must, but please back-up and think about the entire scope of what you imply, as clearly you dismiss the court-room side of the Cyprus issue.

We have the chance to seal the Cyprus issue once and for all. Failure to do that this time will be a major setback for the entire island and not only us. A "NO" from us again in a future referendum will surely LEGALLY split the island with a 37% Recognised Turkish NORTH.

Both, the us and the Turksih Cypriots will lose!

This reality you all must understand.

Why will the TCs lose if GCs do not agree another solution and recognition is the only way to resolve a hot potato in the laps of the "Europeans".

Dream on. There will be no agreed partition. We will not legitimise your illegal actions. Fullstop.

If you are confident that you can do this for the next 100 years and reject every solution that the international arena place on the table then good luck.

I do not see any solutions forth coming from the international arena. Annan Plan was one of a kind and it was rejected. Cypriots are responsible to forge their own solution.

The GCs will never legitimise your gains. So unless the "trnc" starts getting serious and compromise for a fair and viable solution, then the status quo will remain for many more years to come, until of course.....................................................................I do not need to spell it out as I fear causing Miltiades a stroke.

We have and are willing to continue as is until or if something better should come along. I cannot see the UN or the EU forcing the TCs to do anything against our will so the ball is really in your court to provide something better than the current situation, otherwise I agree the status quo will continue for a long time over which you will have to work very hard to stop developments that will reduce or even remove the isolation of the TCs viewed by many to be in the EU. The choice is yours.

Miltiades, I invite YOU to reply to this post against an individual who is capitalising on our losses. This person obviously believes that might is right and will await for something better to come along!

I would like to know what that "something better" could possibly be.

The first criteria to be considered by the G/Cs is this : DO the T/Cs have as much right to be in Cyprus as the G/Cs have , if affirmative then what changes to our general outlook do we encompass in order to show our willingness to live as one people.
The T/Cs on the other hand have to accept that no national of any nation on earth is likely to accept that part of his nation is under occupation by a foreign country and will remain so indefinitely. History teaches us that the day inevitably arrives when the situation gets out of control .
Turkey invaded Cyprus in order to avert what she saw as efforts to unite Cyprus to Greece. She can not expect the people of Cyprus to accept that she has the right to remain in Cyprus for ever and a the same time to systematically alter the local demographics .
In short , both the G/Cs and The T/Cs must face realities.
There are two irrefutable realities. First the T/Cs have as much right to call Cyprus their country just as the G/Cs have and second the T/Cs can not possibly deny the fact that the majority of Cypriots are G/Cs. Like it or not the T/Cs are a minority as T/Cs but a majority as Cypriots.
Until they also begin to disentangle themselves from Turkeys aprons there will always be that issue of minorities and majorities.
Cyprus is part of Turkey and neither is she a part of Greece.Accept and negotiate and live peacefully for ever. Reject and conflicts will erupt again and again. Get rid of the f..ng flags from the mountains of Cyprus that only serve the division and the retention of mistrust amongst our people.

[Viewpoint]

Our side is not considered as negative. Pres X has done a very good job so far in pushing for peace and before too long you will see Turkey itself back on the guilty stand.

The year 2009 is fast approaching, and I for one will be enjoying the entertainment.

I agree that your current leader is more positive but he has a reject of a UN plan and 5 years of negative viewpoint to cover up or reverse, the world sees that the GCs rejected the last attempt at a solution.

Turkey is now the positive side as they always have stated they are ready when the GCs are and will always be one stop ahead. Lets see what will develop in 2008/9 the GCs are under just as much pressure form the EU to take a more European attitude than they have been doing so since they joined.

[Paphitis]

A partitionist is someone who agrees with the Status Quo - I DON'T.

I agree with an "Agreed" formula to remove Turkey out of the Cyprus equation, where the only way of doing so is to give the Turkish Cypriot what they want, thus forcing Turkey out of the equation at the same time, AND - ON OUR TERMS!

- No Morphu
- No Varosha
- No Buffer Zone
- And, no Turkish rights of Intervention according to our constitution.

You all must realise that our PRESENT constitution still gives TURKEY the right of intervention!

A solution is a must, but please back-up and think about the entire scope of what you imply, as clearly you dismiss the court-room side of the Cyprus issue.

We have the chance to seal the Cyprus issue once and for all. Failure to do that this time will be a major setback for the entire island and not only us. A "NO" from us again in a future referendum will surely LEGALLY split the island with a 37% Recognised Turkish NORTH.

Both, the us and the Turksih Cypriots will lose!

This reality you all must understand.

Why will the TCs lose if GCs do not agree another solution and recognition is the only way to resolve a hot potato in the laps of the "Europeans".

Dream on. There will be no agreed partition. We will not legitimise your illegal actions. Fullstop.

If you are confident that you can do this for the next 100 years and reject every solution that the international arena place on the table then good luck.

I do not see any solutions forth coming from the international arena. Annan Plan was one of a kind and it was rejected. Cypriots are responsible to forge their own solution.

The GCs will never legitimise your gains. So unless the "trnc" starts getting serious and compromise for a fair and viable solution, then the status quo will remain for many more years to come, until of course.....................................................................I do not need to spell it out as I fear causing Miltiades a stroke.

We have and are willing to continue as is until or if something better should come along. I cannot see the UN or the EU forcing the TCs to do anything against our will so the ball is really in your court to provide something better than the current situation, otherwise I agree the status quo will continue for a long time over which you will have to work very hard to stop developments that will reduce or even remove the isolation of the TCs viewed by many to be in the EU. The choice is yours.

Miltiades, I invite YOU to reply to this post against an individual who is capitalising on our losses. This person obviously believes that might is right and will await for something better to come along!

I would like to know what that "something better" could possibly be.

The first criteria to be considered by the G/Cs is this : DO the T/Cs have as much right to be in Cyprus as the G/Cs have , if affirmative then what changes to our general outlook do we encompass in order to show our willingness to live as one people.
The T/Cs on the other hand have to accept that no national of any nation on earth is likely to accept that part of his nation is under occupation by a foreign country and will remain so indefinitely. History teaches us that the day inevitably arrives when the situation gets out of control .
Turkey invaded Cyprus in order to avert what she saw as efforts to unite Cyprus to Greece. She can not expect the people of Cyprus to accept that she has the right to remain in Cyprus for ever and a the same time to systematically alter the local demographics .
In short , both the G/Cs and The T/Cs must face realities.
There are two irrefutable realities. First the T/Cs have as much right to call Cyprus their country just as the G/Cs have and second the T/Cs can not possibly deny the fact that the majority of Cypriots are G/Cs. Like it or not the T/Cs are a minority as T/Cs but a majority as Cypriots.
Until they also begin to disentangle themselves from Turkeys aprons there will always be that issue of minorities and majorities.
Cyprus is part of Turkey and neither is she a part of Greece.Accept and negotiate and live peacefully for ever. Reject and conflicts will erupt again and again. Get rid of the f..ng flags from the mountains of Cyprus that only serve the division and the retention of mistrust amongst our people.

There you go VP, how can you refuse such an offer? That is if you can understand the post.

Miltiades, can you please explain to us what changes we need to make to convince VP that we can live together as one people and then we can ask VP if he agrees.

[Paphitis]

Our side is not considered as negative. Pres X has done a very good job so far in pushing for peace and before too long you will see Turkey itself back on the guilty stand.

The year 2009 is fast approaching, and I for one will be enjoying the entertainment.

I agree that your current leader is more positive but he has a reject of a UN plan and 5 years of negative viewpoint to cover up or reverse, the world sees that the GCs rejected the last attempt at a solution.

Turkey is now the positive side as they always have stated they are ready when the GCs are and will always be one stop ahead. Lets see what will develop in 2008/9 the GCs are under just as much pressure form the EU to take a more European attitude than they have been doing so since they joined.

How long do you think this will last for? Maybe up until the Gambari process fails due to unrealistic demands by Turkey.

[Viewpoint]

Paphitis

There you go VP, how can you refuse such an offer? That is if you can understand the post.

Can you please explain to us what changes we need to make to convince VP that we can live together as one people and then we can ask VP if he agrees.

Miltiades as we have established is a minority and faces an uphill struggle in his own community, his ideas are on paper very acceptable but as you to have asked when a formula is discussed cannot be found.

[Get Real!]

A partitionist is someone who agrees with the Status Quo - I DON'T.

DEAD WRONG!

A partitionist is somebody who, with their words or actions compromises the internationally recognized sovereignty of the RoC, which incidentally stretches to all four corners of the island.

[Viewpoint]

Our side is not considered as negative. Pres X has done a very good job so far in pushing for peace and before too long you will see Turkey itself back on the guilty stand.

The year 2009 is fast approaching, and I for one will be enjoying the entertainment.

I agree that your current leader is more positive but he has a reject of a UN plan and 5 years of negative viewpoint to cover up or reverse, the world sees that the GCs rejected the last attempt at a solution.

Turkey is now the positive side as they always have stated they are ready when the GCs are and will always be one stop ahead. Lets see what will develop in 2008/9 the GCs are under just as much pressure form the EU to take a more European attitude than they have been doing so since they joined.

How long do you think this will last for? Maybe up until the Gambari process fails due to unrealistic demands by Turkey.

We will see but lets hope the momentum will be used positively this time to full effect to achieve a fair deal, why do you not consider that the GCs may also show that their demands are unrealistic in light of our past history.

[Paphitis]

Our side is not considered as negative. Pres X has done a very good job so far in pushing for peace and before too long you will see Turkey itself back on the guilty stand.

The year 2009 is fast approaching, and I for one will be enjoying the entertainment.

I agree that your current leader is more positive but he has a reject of a UN plan and 5 years of negative viewpoint to cover up or reverse, the world sees that the GCs rejected the last attempt at a solution.

Turkey is now the positive side as they always have stated they are ready when the GCs are and will always be one stop ahead. Lets see what will develop in 2008/9 the GCs are under just as much pressure form the EU to take a more European attitude than they have been doing so since they joined.

How long do you think this will last for? Maybe up until the Gambari process fails due to unrealistic demands by Turkey.

We will see but lets hope the momentum will be used positively this time to full effect to achieve a fair deal, why do you not consider that the GCs may also show that their demands are unrealistic in light of our past history.

Because today we are far from the realities of what occured in the 50s and early 60s. No one wants that any more, and it will not as long as a fair and viable solution is founded. Any solution that is unfair (Annan Plan as an example) would have eventually led to exactly what you fear.

You should understand also that many friendships are being formed between GCs and TCs through this forum. Many GCs and TCs are now arranging for social events, and so it is inconceivable that anything untoward can occur amongst friends, especially when the solution is equitable.

[Viewpoint]

Our side is not considered as negative. Pres X has done a very good job so far in pushing for peace and before too long you will see Turkey itself back on the guilty stand.

The year 2009 is fast approaching, and I for one will be enjoying the entertainment.

I agree that your current leader is more positive but he has a reject of a UN plan and 5 years of negative viewpoint to cover up or reverse, the world sees that the GCs rejected the last attempt at a solution.

Turkey is now the positive side as they always have stated they are ready when the GCs are and will always be one stop ahead. Lets see what will develop in 2008/9 the GCs are under just as much pressure form the EU to take a more European attitude than they have been doing so since they joined.

How long do you think this will last for? Maybe up until the Gambari process fails due to unrealistic demands by Turkey.

We will see but lets hope the momentum will be used positively this time to full effect to achieve a fair deal, why do you not consider that the GCs may also show that their demands are unrealistic in light of our past history.

Because today we are far from the realities of what occured in the 50s and early 60s. No one wants that any more, and it will not as long as a fair and viable solution is founded. Any solution that is unfair (Annan Plan as an example) would have eventually led to exactly what you fear.

You should understand also that many friendships are being formed between GCs and TCs through this forum. Many GCs and TCs are now arranging for social events, and so it is inconceivable that anything untoward can occur amongst friends, especially when the solution is equitable.

I feel you are being slightly naive people on both sides have been interacting for the last 5 years and we are no closer to a solution that we have ever been, theres noting wrong with people on a one to one basis, the problem is the political balance which is the major stumbling block to any solution.

The TCs still have a major barrier in trusting the GCs who still feel they are being greatly influenced by the Church and your education system which supports hate for the Turks and anything Turkish which includes us.

[boomerang]

You are right Paphitis..."turkey=fascist state" recognised the RoC the day she accepted the YES from the RoC...end of story...

Not only they signed they threw parties...ask the VP what were the headlines the next day of the party...