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[Paphitis]

A partitionist is someone who agrees with the Status Quo - I DON'T.

I agree with an "Agreed" formula to remove Turkey out of the Cyprus equation, where the only way of doing so is to give the Turkish Cypriot what they want, thus forcing Turkey out of the equation at the same time, AND - ON OUR TERMS!

- No Morphu
- No Varosha
- No Buffer Zone
- And, no Turkish rights of Intervention according to our constitution.

You all must realise that our PRESENT constitution still gives TURKEY the right of intervention!

A solution is a must, but please back-up and think about the entire scope of what you imply, as clearly you dismiss the court-room side of the Cyprus issue.

We have the chance to seal the Cyprus issue once and for all. Failure to do that this time will be a major setback for the entire island and not only us. A "NO" from us again in a future referendum will surely LEGALLY split the island with a 37% Recognised Turkish NORTH.

Both, the us and the Turksih Cypriots will lose!

This reality you all must understand.

Why will the TCs lose if GCs do not agree another solution and recognition is the only way to resolve a hot potato in the laps of the "Europeans".

Dream on. There will be no agreed partition. We will not legitimise your illegal actions. Fullstop.

If you are confident that you can do this for the next 100 years and reject every solution that the international arena place on the table then good luck.

I do not see any solutions forth coming from the international arena. Annan Plan was one of a kind and it was rejected. Cypriots are responsible to forge their own solution.

The GCs will never legitimise your gains. So unless the "trnc" starts getting serious and compromise for a fair and viable solution, then the status quo will remain for many more years to come, until of course.....................................................................I do not need to spell it out as I fear causing Miltiades a stroke.

Don't be afraid to mention the macabre " inevitable " .
We throw Turkey out of Cyprus while at the same time our flying pigs inflict devastating damage to the Southern part of Turkey !!!!
Just in case you again misinterpret what I have just said let me make it crystal clear. War will not solve anything , repercussions of an armed conflict will reverberate for years . No solution can be found through war.
Negotiations and political war can bring about a solution but war will only bring death and destruction to our island.
Let us understand one thing clearly. We are where we are because the extremists won the day way back in the early 60s through to 1974. We must not listen to the voices of demagogues , we must prepare to defend our island at all costs but we must not lose our capability to defend by attacking Turkey.
Events will dictate that Turkey removes the occupying troops from Cyprus , such events must be activated by the T/Cs and our own willingness to negotiate peacefully.

Did I say anything about attacking Turkey?

You should ask VP if he thinks that negotiations and political war will bring a solution.

[Paphitis]

Kuwait got it's justice when invaded by Iraq through war, and if a fair and viable solution does not eventuate in Cyprus, then the inevitable day will come where we too will achieve our justice and solution.

[Viewpoint]

A partitionist is someone who agrees with the Status Quo - I DON'T.

I agree with an "Agreed" formula to remove Turkey out of the Cyprus equation, where the only way of doing so is to give the Turkish Cypriot what they want, thus forcing Turkey out of the equation at the same time, AND - ON OUR TERMS!

- No Morphu
- No Varosha
- No Buffer Zone
- And, no Turkish rights of Intervention according to our constitution.

You all must realise that our PRESENT constitution still gives TURKEY the right of intervention!

A solution is a must, but please back-up and think about the entire scope of what you imply, as clearly you dismiss the court-room side of the Cyprus issue.

We have the chance to seal the Cyprus issue once and for all. Failure to do that this time will be a major setback for the entire island and not only us. A "NO" from us again in a future referendum will surely LEGALLY split the island with a 37% Recognised Turkish NORTH.

Both, the us and the Turksih Cypriots will lose!

This reality you all must understand.

Why will the TCs lose if GCs do not agree another solution and recognition is the only way to resolve a hot potato in the laps of the "Europeans".

Dream on. There will be no agreed partition. We will not legitimise your illegal actions. Fullstop.

If you are confident that you can do this for the next 100 years and reject every solution that the international arena place on the table then good luck.

I do not see any solutions forth coming from the international arena. Annan Plan was one of a kind and it was rejected. Cypriots are responsible to forge their own solution.

The GCs will never legitimise your gains. So unless the "trnc" starts getting serious and compromise for a fair and viable solution, then the status quo will remain for many more years to come, until of course.....................................................................I do not need to spell it out as I fear causing Miltiades a stroke.

We have and are willing to continue as is until or if something better should come along. I cannot see the UN or the EU forcing the TCs to do anything against our will so the ball is really in your court to provide something better than the current situation, otherwise I agree the status quo will continue for a long time over which you will have to work very hard to stop developments that will reduce or even remove the isolation of the TCs viewed by many to be in the EU. The choice is yours.

[Paphitis]

A partitionist is someone who agrees with the Status Quo - I DON'T.

I agree with an "Agreed" formula to remove Turkey out of the Cyprus equation, where the only way of doing so is to give the Turkish Cypriot what they want, thus forcing Turkey out of the equation at the same time, AND - ON OUR TERMS!

- No Morphu
- No Varosha
- No Buffer Zone
- And, no Turkish rights of Intervention according to our constitution.

You all must realise that our PRESENT constitution still gives TURKEY the right of intervention!

A solution is a must, but please back-up and think about the entire scope of what you imply, as clearly you dismiss the court-room side of the Cyprus issue.

We have the chance to seal the Cyprus issue once and for all. Failure to do that this time will be a major setback for the entire island and not only us. A "NO" from us again in a future referendum will surely LEGALLY split the island with a 37% Recognised Turkish NORTH.

Both, the us and the Turksih Cypriots will lose!

This reality you all must understand.

Why will the TCs lose if GCs do not agree another solution and recognition is the only way to resolve a hot potato in the laps of the "Europeans".

Dream on. There will be no agreed partition. We will not legitimise your illegal actions. Fullstop.

If you are confident that you can do this for the next 100 years and reject every solution that the international arena place on the table then good luck.

I do not see any solutions forth coming from the international arena. Annan Plan was one of a kind and it was rejected. Cypriots are responsible to forge their own solution.

The GCs will never legitimise your gains. So unless the "trnc" starts getting serious and compromise for a fair and viable solution, then the status quo will remain for many more years to come, until of course.....................................................................I do not need to spell it out as I fear causing Miltiades a stroke.

We have and are willing to continue as is until or if something better should come along. I cannot see the UN or the EU forcing the TCs to do anything against our will so the ball is really in your court to provide something better than the current situation, otherwise I agree the status quo will continue for a long time over which you will have to work very hard to stop developments that will reduce or even remove the isolation of the TCs viewed by many to be in the EU. The choice is yours.

Miltiades, I invite YOU to reply to this post against an individual who is capitalising on our losses. This person obviously believes that might is right and will await for something better to come along!

I would like to know what that "something better" could possibly be.

[Viewpoint]

A partitionist is someone who agrees with the Status Quo - I DON'T.

I agree with an "Agreed" formula to remove Turkey out of the Cyprus equation, where the only way of doing so is to give the Turkish Cypriot what they want, thus forcing Turkey out of the equation at the same time, AND - ON OUR TERMS!

- No Morphu
- No Varosha
- No Buffer Zone
- And, no Turkish rights of Intervention according to our constitution.

You all must realise that our PRESENT constitution still gives TURKEY the right of intervention!

A solution is a must, but please back-up and think about the entire scope of what you imply, as clearly you dismiss the court-room side of the Cyprus issue.

We have the chance to seal the Cyprus issue once and for all. Failure to do that this time will be a major setback for the entire island and not only us. A "NO" from us again in a future referendum will surely LEGALLY split the island with a 37% Recognised Turkish NORTH.

Both, the us and the Turksih Cypriots will lose!

This reality you all must understand.

Why will the TCs lose if GCs do not agree another solution and recognition is the only way to resolve a hot potato in the laps of the "Europeans".

Dream on. There will be no agreed partition. We will not legitimise your illegal actions. Fullstop.

If you are confident that you can do this for the next 100 years and reject every solution that the international arena place on the table then good luck.

I do not see any solutions forth coming from the international arena. Annan Plan was one of a kind and it was rejected. Cypriots are responsible to forge their own solution.

The GCs will never legitimise your gains. So unless the "trnc" starts getting serious and compromise for a fair and viable solution, then the status quo will remain for many more years to come, until of course.....................................................................I do not need to spell it out as I fear causing Miltiades a stroke.

We have and are willing to continue as is until or if something better should come along. I cannot see the UN or the EU forcing the TCs to do anything against our will so the ball is really in your court to provide something better than the current situation, otherwise I agree the status quo will continue for a long time over which you will have to work very hard to stop developments that will reduce or even remove the isolation of the TCs viewed by many to be in the EU. The choice is yours.

Miltiades, I invite YOU to reply to this post against an individual who is capitalising on our losses. This person obviously believes that might is right and will await for something better to come along!

I would like to know what that "something better" could possibly be.

A BBF with political equality of the two communities.

[Paphitis]

A partitionist is someone who agrees with the Status Quo - I DON'T.

I agree with an "Agreed" formula to remove Turkey out of the Cyprus equation, where the only way of doing so is to give the Turkish Cypriot what they want, thus forcing Turkey out of the equation at the same time, AND - ON OUR TERMS!

- No Morphu
- No Varosha
- No Buffer Zone
- And, no Turkish rights of Intervention according to our constitution.

You all must realise that our PRESENT constitution still gives TURKEY the right of intervention!

A solution is a must, but please back-up and think about the entire scope of what you imply, as clearly you dismiss the court-room side of the Cyprus issue.

We have the chance to seal the Cyprus issue once and for all. Failure to do that this time will be a major setback for the entire island and not only us. A "NO" from us again in a future referendum will surely LEGALLY split the island with a 37% Recognised Turkish NORTH.

Both, the us and the Turksih Cypriots will lose!

This reality you all must understand.

Why will the TCs lose if GCs do not agree another solution and recognition is the only way to resolve a hot potato in the laps of the "Europeans".

Dream on. There will be no agreed partition. We will not legitimise your illegal actions. Fullstop.

If you are confident that you can do this for the next 100 years and reject every solution that the international arena place on the table then good luck.

I do not see any solutions forth coming from the international arena. Annan Plan was one of a kind and it was rejected. Cypriots are responsible to forge their own solution.

The GCs will never legitimise your gains. So unless the "trnc" starts getting serious and compromise for a fair and viable solution, then the status quo will remain for many more years to come, until of course.....................................................................I do not need to spell it out as I fear causing Miltiades a stroke.

We have and are willing to continue as is until or if something better should come along. I cannot see the UN or the EU forcing the TCs to do anything against our will so the ball is really in your court to provide something better than the current situation, otherwise I agree the status quo will continue for a long time over which you will have to work very hard to stop developments that will reduce or even remove the isolation of the TCs viewed by many to be in the EU. The choice is yours.

Miltiades, I invite YOU to reply to this post against an individual who is capitalising on our losses. This person obviously believes that might is right and will await for something better to come along!

I would like to know what that "something better" could possibly be.

A BBF with political equality of the two communities.

Absalolutely.

A United Federated Cyprus where all citizens have the same and equal rights, including proportional representation founded on one citizen, one vote principles.

So VP, we agree.

[Viewpoint]

A partitionist is someone who agrees with the Status Quo - I DON'T.

I agree with an "Agreed" formula to remove Turkey out of the Cyprus equation, where the only way of doing so is to give the Turkish Cypriot what they want, thus forcing Turkey out of the equation at the same time, AND - ON OUR TERMS!

- No Morphu
- No Varosha
- No Buffer Zone
- And, no Turkish rights of Intervention according to our constitution.

You all must realise that our PRESENT constitution still gives TURKEY the right of intervention!

A solution is a must, but please back-up and think about the entire scope of what you imply, as clearly you dismiss the court-room side of the Cyprus issue.

We have the chance to seal the Cyprus issue once and for all. Failure to do that this time will be a major setback for the entire island and not only us. A "NO" from us again in a future referendum will surely LEGALLY split the island with a 37% Recognised Turkish NORTH.

Both, the us and the Turksih Cypriots will lose!

This reality you all must understand.

Why will the TCs lose if GCs do not agree another solution and recognition is the only way to resolve a hot potato in the laps of the "Europeans".

Dream on. There will be no agreed partition. We will not legitimise your illegal actions. Fullstop.

If you are confident that you can do this for the next 100 years and reject every solution that the international arena place on the table then good luck.

I do not see any solutions forth coming from the international arena. Annan Plan was one of a kind and it was rejected. Cypriots are responsible to forge their own solution.

The GCs will never legitimise your gains. So unless the "trnc" starts getting serious and compromise for a fair and viable solution, then the status quo will remain for many more years to come, until of course.....................................................................I do not need to spell it out as I fear causing Miltiades a stroke.

We have and are willing to continue as is until or if something better should come along. I cannot see the UN or the EU forcing the TCs to do anything against our will so the ball is really in your court to provide something better than the current situation, otherwise I agree the status quo will continue for a long time over which you will have to work very hard to stop developments that will reduce or even remove the isolation of the TCs viewed by many to be in the EU. The choice is yours.

Miltiades, I invite YOU to reply to this post against an individual who is capitalising on our losses. This person obviously believes that might is right and will await for something better to come along!

I would like to know what that "something better" could possibly be.

A BBF with political equality of the two communities.

Absalolutely.

A United Federated Cyprus where all citizens have the same and equal rights, including proportional representation founded on one citizen, one vote principles.

So VP, we agree.

What is your interpretation of political equality? this is the main sticking point as we have concerns over your using your numerical advantage to force us into a corner as in the past.

[Paphitis]

[/quote] What is your interpretation of political equality? this is the main sticking point as we have concerns over your using your numerical advantage to force us into a corner as in the past.[/quote]

Do not think that the international community will be rushing to recognise you? You are forgetting the numerous UN resolutions which have deemed your "trnc" as illegal, and hence no nation which is a signatory to the UN charter could possibly recognise you and set the most dangerous precedant by legitimising invasion and occupation.

Political equality is where all citizens have the same and equal rights based on a proportional representation democracy. All Cypriots are equal in a United and Federated Cyprus where some geographical safeguards can be implemented where TCs can enjoy some autonomy in the Federation where they form the majority.

Does this concur with your idea of equality?

[Viewpoint]

What is your interpretation of political equality? this is the main sticking point as we have concerns over your using your numerical advantage to force us into a corner as in the past.

Do not think that the international community will be rushing to recognise you? You are forgetting the numerous UN resolutions which have deemed your "trnc" as illegal, and hence no nation which is a signatory to the UN charter could possibly recognise you and set the most dangerous precedant by legitimising invasion and occupation.

Political equality is where all citizens have the same and equal rights based on a proportional representation democracy. All Cypriots are equal in a United and Federated Cyprus where some geographical safeguards can be implemented where TCs can enjoy some autonomy in the Federation where they form the majority.

Does this concur with your idea of equality?

Nothing in the political arena is impossible especially when other nations want to benefit from a situation, so the gamble is yours especially if your side is continued to be considered as the negative side re rejection of AP.

Political on an individual level is paramount the problem is with community rights, how will one stop the other who has the numerical advantage when it comes to sensative issues, this is our biggest concern.

[Paphitis]

Our side is not considered as negative. Pres X has done a very good job so far in pushing for peace and before too long you will see Turkey itself back on the guilty stand.

The year 2009 is fast approaching, and I for one will be enjoying the entertainment.