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Postby BOF » Sat May 17, 2008 8:44 pm

8) Happy Now Milli?
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Postby Oracle » Sat May 17, 2008 8:57 pm

BOF wrote:8) Happy Now Milli?
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Postby Eliko » Sat May 17, 2008 8:59 pm

miltiades wrote:
Talisker wrote:
BOF wrote:We will never forget the Holocaust because we will never be allowed to. but other holocausts are. the 20 million in russia are forgotten, the Katyn forest dead are forgotten, the pol pot victims are forgotten, the rwandan dead are forgotten. ...the state of israel was founded in blood, not all of it Jewish.. the King david Hotel for instance. and then there was the Hagana.
I do Not Praise Israel, Nor do i decry it. i merely make observations.
Every side has its lunatics and there are many in that region.
Israel has the right to exsist,and Palestine to have its state.
But if only it was that Easy - King Hussein of Jordan managed to walk the tightrope of diplomacy, while Anwar Sadat paid with his life.
No one wants to deal with terrorists but yesterdays freedom fighters would be todays terrorists.
There are jewish settlers in villages built in Palestine but but how we condemn turkish settlers in Northern Cyprus.
No easy Solutions and no easy Answers. fanatics on both sides.
Common sense is the victim these days.
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I think you'll find that is not the way it works......... :lol:

So does this mean Eliko that the terrorists who crushed the planes killing thousands of innocent people o 9/11 could one day be seen by the CIVILIZED world as freedom fighters ??
ps: Can I ask you Eliko for a special favour , please get rid of that monstrosity you use as an avatar , its nauseatingly annoying !!


miltiades, I am going to take your advice and change my avatar, I did not realize (when I adopted it from another member 'Stout') that there was yet another member with the same one.

Your reasonable request will be dealt with immediately and I apologize to BOF for having inadvertantly exposed him to an unjustified reproach.

You see, miltiades, a little flexibility and understanding can produce such feelings of camaraderie, even among the more vociferous of us. :wink:
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Postby BOF » Sat May 17, 2008 9:08 pm

Eliko wrote:
miltiades wrote:
Talisker wrote:
BOF wrote:We will never forget the Holocaust because we will never be allowed to. but other holocausts are. the 20 million in russia are forgotten, the Katyn forest dead are forgotten, the pol pot victims are forgotten, the rwandan dead are forgotten. ...the state of israel was founded in blood, not all of it Jewish.. the King david Hotel for instance. and then there was the Hagana.
I do Not Praise Israel, Nor do i decry it. i merely make observations.
Every side has its lunatics and there are many in that region.
Israel has the right to exsist,and Palestine to have its state.
But if only it was that Easy - King Hussein of Jordan managed to walk the tightrope of diplomacy, while Anwar Sadat paid with his life.
No one wants to deal with terrorists but yesterdays freedom fighters would be todays terrorists.
There are jewish settlers in villages built in Palestine but but how we condemn turkish settlers in Northern Cyprus.
No easy Solutions and no easy Answers. fanatics on both sides.
Common sense is the victim these days.
BOF

I think you'll find that is not the way it works......... :lol:

So does this mean Eliko that the terrorists who crushed the planes killing thousands of innocent people o 9/11 could one day be seen by the CIVILIZED world as freedom fighters ??
ps: Can I ask you Eliko for a special favour , please get rid of that monstrosity you use as an avatar , its nauseatingly annoying !!


miltiades, I am going to take your advice and change my avatar, I did not realize (when I adopted it from another member 'Stout') that there was yet another member with the same one.

Your reasonable request will be dealt with immediately and I apologize to BOF for having inadvertantly exposed him to an unjustified reproach.

You see, miltiades, a little flexibility and understanding can produce such feelings of camaraderie, even among the more vociferous of us. :wink:

My dear Eliko I think we have both been maligned by the mighty Milli...Seeing my Avatar He mistook my post as one of your good self so then Attacked you for my comment!! :roll: and inadvertedly wanted both our avatars removed..I have now changed mine to comply with the mighty Milli's request..
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Postby miltiades » Sat May 17, 2008 9:28 pm

BOF wrote:
Eliko wrote:
miltiades wrote:
Talisker wrote:
BOF wrote:We will never forget the Holocaust because we will never be allowed to. but other holocausts are. the 20 million in russia are forgotten, the Katyn forest dead are forgotten, the pol pot victims are forgotten, the rwandan dead are forgotten. ...the state of israel was founded in blood, not all of it Jewish.. the King david Hotel for instance. and then there was the Hagana.
I do Not Praise Israel, Nor do i decry it. i merely make observations.
Every side has its lunatics and there are many in that region.
Israel has the right to exsist,and Palestine to have its state.
But if only it was that Easy - King Hussein of Jordan managed to walk the tightrope of diplomacy, while Anwar Sadat paid with his life.
No one wants to deal with terrorists but yesterdays freedom fighters would be todays terrorists.
There are jewish settlers in villages built in Palestine but but how we condemn turkish settlers in Northern Cyprus.
No easy Solutions and no easy Answers. fanatics on both sides.
Common sense is the victim these days.
BOF

I think you'll find that is not the way it works......... :lol:

So does this mean Eliko that the terrorists who crushed the planes killing thousands of innocent people o 9/11 could one day be seen by the CIVILIZED world as freedom fighters ??
ps: Can I ask you Eliko for a special favour , please get rid of that monstrosity you use as an avatar , its nauseatingly annoying !!


miltiades, I am going to take your advice and change my avatar, I did not realize (when I adopted it from another member 'Stout') that there was yet another member with the same one.

Your reasonable request will be dealt with immediately and I apologize to BOF for having inadvertantly exposed him to an unjustified reproach.

You see, miltiades, a little flexibility and understanding can produce such feelings of camaraderie, even among the more vociferous of us. :wink:

My dear Eliko I think we have both been maligned by the mighty Milli...Seeing my Avatar He mistook my post as one of your good self so then Attacked you for my comment!! :roll: and inadvertedly wanted both our avatars removed..I have now changed mine to comply with the mighty Milli's request..
Regards
BOF

Well thank you for your kind words BOF , killed two birds with one stone , me thinks !! Is that GR treatment that's doing it !!!
Your avatars are entirely your choice so is the clothing you may put on your body and the piercing that you carry out , not forgetting of course the ultimate in sophistication class and sheer exuberance the dreaded ear ring , I trust you two gentlemen are also bearded !!!
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Postby Eliko » Sat May 17, 2008 9:32 pm

miltiades, witness now the folly of lurking in the shadows ready to spring out upon your helpless victim.

By assuming (incorrectly) that it was 'I' (your favourite target of rebuff and rebuttal) that penned the words you objected to and committed the cardinal sin of making a statement which was at odds to your own, you have inconvenienced TWO of your fellow members and shocked :shock: many more I'm sure.

However, having borne the whip of your verbal assaults so many times in the past AND, out of deference to the fact that you have objected to my avatar before AND, having regard for the fact that your age commands respect, I have dispensed with it.

I have now shunted it into the goods-yard of my memory, awaiting collection by some other unsuspecting member who may fancy adopting the animal, Goodbye Moses, Goodbye Snowflake. :cry: :cry:

Best wishes to you and your family. Eliko. :wink:
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Postby miltiades » Sat May 17, 2008 9:38 pm

Talisker wrote:
BOF wrote:8) i think it is.. Menachim Begin was a freedom fighter for israel. If he did today what he did then he would be labelled a terrorist - just as Yasser Arafat was.
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No, Begin was a terrorist, who most Israelis now consider a freedom fighter.

There is a very clear and precise distinction as to what constitutes a terrorist and what makes a hero !!!

A hero puts his life on the line in order to defend his country against aggression and enslavement , a terrorist blows himself up in a public place full of innocent men women and children , or crushes a plane or two loaded with innocent people on buildings killing thousands of innocent men women and children. He also places cars laden with bombs outside indiscriminately selected entertainment places in order to kill as many as possible innocent revelers. There is a very clear distinction only a fool can not see it . Will the first fool post the first " stone " !!!
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Postby miltiades » Sat May 17, 2008 9:54 pm

Eliko wrote:miltiades, witness now the folly of lurking in the shadows ready to spring out upon your helpless victim.

By assuming (incorrectly) that it was 'I' (your favourite target of rebuff and rebuttal) that penned the words you objected to and committed the cardinal sin of making a statement which was at odds to your own, you have inconvenienced TWO of your fellow members and shocked :shock: many more I'm sure.

However, having borne the whip of your verbal assaults so many times in the past AND, out of deference to the fact that you have objected to my avatar before AND, having regard for the fact that your age commands respect, I have dispensed with it.

I have now shunted it into the goods-yard of my memory, awaiting collection by some other unsuspecting member who may fancy adopting the animal, Goodbye Moses, Goodbye Snowflake. :cry: :cry:

Best wishes to you and your family. Eliko. :wink:

Thank you Eliko , your gesture is indeed genuine and I appreciate it. You may have noticed however the purpose behind my deliberate confusion of identity ..
Thanks for your wishes , the same for me.
Now that I know your father was from Rizokarpaso may I ask if he knew the G/C teacher who remained behind in order to keep the G/C school operational ? Yiannoula her name I believe .
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Postby Talisker » Sat May 17, 2008 10:00 pm

miltiades wrote:
BOF wrote:
Eliko wrote:
miltiades wrote:
Talisker wrote:
BOF wrote:We will never forget the Holocaust because we will never be allowed to. but other holocausts are. the 20 million in russia are forgotten, the Katyn forest dead are forgotten, the pol pot victims are forgotten, the rwandan dead are forgotten. ...the state of israel was founded in blood, not all of it Jewish.. the King david Hotel for instance. and then there was the Hagana.
I do Not Praise Israel, Nor do i decry it. i merely make observations.
Every side has its lunatics and there are many in that region.
Israel has the right to exsist,and Palestine to have its state.
But if only it was that Easy - King Hussein of Jordan managed to walk the tightrope of diplomacy, while Anwar Sadat paid with his life.
No one wants to deal with terrorists but yesterdays freedom fighters would be todays terrorists.
There are jewish settlers in villages built in Palestine but but how we condemn turkish settlers in Northern Cyprus.
No easy Solutions and no easy Answers. fanatics on both sides.
Common sense is the victim these days.
BOF

I think you'll find that is not the way it works......... :lol:

So does this mean Eliko that the terrorists who crushed the planes killing thousands of innocent people o 9/11 could one day be seen by the CIVILIZED world as freedom fighters ??
ps: Can I ask you Eliko for a special favour , please get rid of that monstrosity you use as an avatar , its nauseatingly annoying !!


miltiades, I am going to take your advice and change my avatar, I did not realize (when I adopted it from another member 'Stout') that there was yet another member with the same one.

Your reasonable request will be dealt with immediately and I apologize to BOF for having inadvertantly exposed him to an unjustified reproach.

You see, miltiades, a little flexibility and understanding can produce such feelings of camaraderie, even among the more vociferous of us. :wink:

My dear Eliko I think we have both been maligned by the mighty Milli...Seeing my Avatar He mistook my post as one of your good self so then Attacked you for my comment!! :roll: and inadvertedly wanted both our avatars removed..I have now changed mine to comply with the mighty Milli's request..
Regards
BOF

Well thank you for your kind words BOF , killed two birds with one stone , me thinks !! Is that GR treatment that's doing it !!!
Your avatars are entirely your choice so is the clothing you may put on your body and the piercing that you carry out , not forgetting of course the ultimate in sophistication class and sheer exuberance the dreaded ear ring , I trust you two gentlemen are also bearded !!!

I'm Scottish, I'm bearded, and don't deny it - I'm cool.

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Postby Eliko » Sat May 17, 2008 10:04 pm

miltiades, such an interesting play on words BUT, let me put a case to YOU.

If a man with skin as black as coal, suddenly appeared at the end of your garden and built himself a shed.

If that man then pointed to your two rich neighbours and informed you that THEY had sanctioned his act and would not tolerate any objections from YOU.

If that man then began to develop your garden and gradually encroach upon your property, then employed the assistance of his friends to vanquish your objections and take possession of MORE of your land.

If that man finally drove you from your home and your land with the excuse that his ancestors were there more than five thousand years ago.

I doubt if YOU would be very happy.

Furthermore, surely you would wonder how a man with skin as black as coal, could lay claim to the fact that he belonged in the region where stood your home.

Surely people such as he should be in the regions of Africa.

Similarly, the greatest weakness in the argument the Jew proffers is that they seemingly have a skin colour more commonly found in the remote regions of Russia, perhaps Israel should be founded there, what do YOU think. :wink:
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