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Postby Eliko » Thu May 15, 2008 5:40 pm

And now I will paint you a picture, not with spatula and brush but with words which will allow you to visualize the scene.

A weeping mother is croached beneath the shell-torn canopy which once adorned the entrance to her small but neat (now shattered) home.

In her hands she clutches the arm of her young daughter, she recognizes the fact that it is her daughter's arm by the little beaded woven leather bracelet which girdles the wrist, a simple trinket which she had made for herself.

Behind her, buried in the smoking debris you will probably find the husband, the son and the remainder of the little girl, who knows in what condition their remains may be.

And now, the picture moves as a young American soldier approaches the woman and, noting the distress she is in, cannot contain his own emotions and sheds tears of sorrow for her obvious plight.

He stoops and gently places his hand under the Mother's arm and raises her to her feet.

She looks into his face and, recognizing the fact that the young man also weeps, buries her head in his chest and utters words of comfort to HIM, fully aware that this evil was not of his doing, but of those under whose control he IS.

My picture tells me of the horrors inflicted upon the innocents of the world, of the futility of impressing hatred upon one being for another in the pursuit of power.

It also reveals a fatal flaw in such pursuits, since among it all, the basic human decency which is inbred in most of humanity, will ultimately rise above the need to destroy life.

If as much energy was expended on uniting people as dividing them, then peace would be the norm among us all.

As to the picture, I think it displays courage, humility and forgiveness beyond the realms of our comprehension.

These things have I seen, I will see them again and again and again, I hope YOUR picture carries the same message as my own. :wink:
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Postby miltiades » Thu May 15, 2008 6:37 pm

Eliko wrote :
""""If as much energy was expended on uniting people as dividing them, then peace would be the norm among us all.""

Are you not contradicting your self here Eliko . I'm constantly building , albeit , tiny bridges trying to unite our people so that peace will be the norm , as you say , among us all , YET YOU VOTED FOR WAR !!!!!!
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Postby Eliko » Thu May 15, 2008 7:22 pm

miltiades, I did NOT vote for war, I made a considered choice between two options.

A. Vote for miltiades and continue the fruitless and never ending exchanges of political waffle between one incompetent goon and another. (Don't get excited, my opinion of politicians is rather tainted due to bitter experience).

B. Vote for Get Real and apply strong pressure on new negotiations , bolstering the pressure by indicating that a military option was available should the negotiations fail. (Don't get excited, THAT is how I interpreted Get Real's proposals).

Of the two of you, I merely thought that Get Real displayed a more acceptable approach to the subject of negotiations, both of you seem to envisage the same ultimate objectives, what a pity you should be so far apart in your methods of achieving them.

I do wish you had not invaded this thread with your latest attempt to besmirch me, what I have written is based on first-hand experience and I had hoped to attract comments from the more discerning members of the forum.

I am sure we are all aware of your intentions (which are commendable) unfortunately you seem to be unable to accept ANY opinion that is not completely in agreement with your own.

If you are SO correct in everything you propose, why do we need to discuss ANYTHING ?, just ask miltiades. :lol: :lol: :wink:
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Postby miltiades » Thu May 15, 2008 7:42 pm

Eliko wrote:miltiades, I did NOT vote for war, I made a considered choice between two options.

A. Vote for miltiades and continue the fruitless and never ending exchanges of political waffle between one incompetent goon and another. (Don't get excited, my opinion of politicians is rather tainted due to bitter experience).

B. Vote for Get Real and apply strong pressure on new negotiations , bolstering the pressure by indicating that a military option was available should the negotiations fail. (Don't get excited, THAT is how I interpreted Get Real's proposals).

Of the two of you, I merely thought that Get Real displayed a more acceptable approach to the subject of negotiations, both of you seem to envisage the same ultimate objectives, what a pity you should be so far apart in your methods of achieving them.

I do wish you had not invaded this thread with your latest attempt to besmirch me, what I have written is based on first-hand experience and I had hoped to attract comments from the more discerning members of the forum.

I am sure we are all aware of your intentions (which are commendable) unfortunately you seem to be unable to accept ANY opinion that is not completely in agreement with your own.

If you are SO correct in everything you propose, why do we need to discuss ANYTHING ?, just ask miltiades. :lol: :lol: :wink:

Your interpretation was obviously wrong Eliko !!

I'm not prepared to accept illogical , stupendously absurd suppositions on any matter from any source.
I stand for reason and logic. Supporting a peaceful solution is a reasonable and logical position.
ps. When you next start a thread perhaps you will kindly list those that you would not wish to comment , I DEPART FROM HERE , WILL MEET ELSEWHERE NO DOUBT !!
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Postby Oracle » Thu May 15, 2008 9:24 pm

We enter the world with a blank canvass and are quickly overwhelmed with the collective subconscious of our ancient cultures. It takes a strong individual to resist their history, their developing ego which sends messages that only we are right and all else are wrong. Yet eager to belong, we distort our vision so that it appears that we have the answer whilst denying how much a part of the wishes of the few, true dominant alpha-males in our midst, are playing and controlling us into fulfilling their dream and not ours.

Miltiades is a point in case ..... his dogmatism is the stuff of nightmares. Maybe GR!'s also ... no flexibility, questioning or doubt ... arrogance reverberating from one extreme to the other.

Where is the voice of reason?
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Postby Eliko » Thu May 15, 2008 10:08 pm

Oracle, well spoken, I particularly like the bit about miltiades being 'A point in case' I am assuming that you have purposely reversed 'A case in point', in view of the fact that he does tend to talk out of his backside. :lol: :lol:

(No offence, just could not let such a prime opportunity for a little levity pass ) :lol: :wink:
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Postby Oracle » Thu May 15, 2008 10:12 pm

Eliko wrote:Oracle, well spoken, I particularly like the bit about miltiades being 'A point in case' I am assuming that you have purposely reversed 'A case in point', in view of the fact that he does tend to talk out of his backside. :lol: :lol:

(No offence, just could not let such a prime opportunity for a little levity pass ) :lol: :wink:


I go with the flow ... no matter from whence it emanates :lol:

(Freudian slips need tacking in :wink: )
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Postby Eliko » Mon May 19, 2008 8:13 pm

Eliko wrote:miltiades, I did NOT vote for war, I made a considered choice between two options.

A. Vote for miltiades and continue the fruitless and never ending exchanges of political waffle between one incompetent goon and another. (Don't get excited, my opinion of politicians is rather tainted due to bitter experience).

B. Vote for Get Real and apply strong pressure on new negotiations , bolstering the pressure by indicating that a military option was available should the negotiations fail. (Don't get excited, THAT is how I interpreted Get Real's proposals).

Of the two of you, I merely thought that Get Real displayed a more acceptable approach to the subject of negotiations, both of you seem to envisage the same ultimate objectives, what a pity you should be so far apart in your methods of achieving them.

I do wish you had not invaded this thread with your latest attempt to besmirch me, what I have written is based on first-hand experience and I had hoped to attract comments from the more discerning members of the forum.

I am sure we are all aware of your intentions (which are commendable) unfortunately you seem to be unable to accept ANY opinion that is not completely in agreement with your own.

If you are SO correct in everything you propose, why do we need to discuss ANYTHING ?, just ask miltiades. :lol: :lol: :wink:
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Postby Oracle » Mon May 19, 2008 8:18 pm

Tabula rasa ....

Be it "Blank slate" or "Blank Canvas" ... methinks it be "Blank slate", what thinks you?
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Postby Eliko » Mon May 19, 2008 8:33 pm

Oracle, I think the term is 'Clean Slate' actually.

But then, unlike miltiades, I could be wrong. :lol: :lol: :wink:
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