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[gabaston]

ok
during the invasion a which should not have been where it was, was bombed by turkish jets. This boat was carrying turkish soldiers.

Freindly fire in other words. Well this is my understanding of that situation. And im sure many tc's took a bombing from turkish boats and planes too, during that invasion.

[Nickp]

So please tell me what you think or what the dominant view of the following issues are:

- The Akritas plan
- The mass deportations during the years leading up to 1974
- Whether or not the initial intervention (not the permanent occupation) was justified
- Killings by EOKA
- Makarios' famous quote 'When Turkey intervenes, there will not be a Turk left on the island to save'

As a GC born post 1974 and raised in England. I can't give any view's on the above issues as i have to knowledge about them apart from bits and pieces i hear and read.

Overall, i don't think these are things that we need to focus on at the moment unless there's going to be some kind of court to hold and investigate those responsible for crimes in the past.

I can't imagine people of my young generation would be active on such fantical issues or actions.

[gabaston]

during the invasion a which should not have been where it was

should read

during the invasion a boat which should not have been where it was

[gabaston]

Nickp

i understand what you are saying, just like i cant comment on Ottoman stuff.

But these are the issues that the TA invaded Cyprus on. I know its hard for you to digest, but these are the reasons why Turkey is there today.

Hopefully your generation and the following generations will never see these events again, and will be able to bury the past where it belongs, but until then the only way tc's who do remember those days can feel safe is by having a divided island.

sad but true.

[insan]

While the GCs have admitted their crimes (yes we did them!) and want to have legality and human rights for everybody, the Turks not only deny their many times more crimes, but they continue the violation of our human rights and international law as we speak.

Who admitted the "crimes of GCs"? First of all just two ordinary ex-Eoka-B members admitted what they personally did. We have never heard an official acknowledgement from so called RoC.

On the other hand the ones who speak about the crimes of GC right wing and reveal some truths are only left-wing GCs.

However what you ask Turkish side to acknowledge(admit) is the dirty propaganda lies of GC ruling elite.

What you mean Insan?
Only the GCs have made crimes against us?
Our side didn't do any wrongdoings and ...crimes?

TC Bananiot, first of all welcome to the forum. I think what I meant is very clear in my post. I many times put forward my opinions about the faults, incapabilities and wrong doings of all concerned parties. Both here on this forum and all other forums I'm a member of. If you specifically wish to discuss the crimes, faults and wrong doings of Turkish side; please open a new topic and list the events which in your opinion they are the crimes, faults and wrong doings of Turkish side. Then I will do my best to contribute to the thread with my opinions.

[Piratis]

The killings at least have now stopped, and we all know why.

The killings could be stopped in many ways. Good ways and bad ways. Another bad way would be deporting all TCs from Cyprus. Do you think that if this had happened TCs would be happy because "killings at least have now stopped"?

As I said before we had our share of crimes, but Turks and TCs are not the "virgin Maries" that now can demand our punishment and their reword.

We had the 1960 agreements, and we can return to those. Why should any other arrangement be one that will be better for TCs and worst for GCs?

The current situation is not peace, it is a cease fire. If we don't let the past behind, stop the illegalities and injustices today, and look for a better future for all of us, then the circle of blood will continue. (you don't expect from us to declare defeat and write off the land that we have been living for 3500 years, right?)

[gabaston]

No I don’t expect you to accept defeat. And had you deported us there would not be two communities living on Cyprus.

Your point about not accepting defeat is disturbing. We are not talking about a football match here. We are talking about not killing each other.
We as tcs do not talk of things like victory, but peace.

The troops prevent idiots like the one who has just started two threads (you know who I mean) from crossing the green line.
If they withdraw I doubt that you will stop him, and I cant help feeling that you might even follow him.

Like ive already said we don’t know which of you to trust, so with hindsight we prefer safety in numbers, and not to trust any of you.
Please don’t blame us for the mistakes that your administrations made, and the paths down which you were lead.

I know that you’ve been there for 3500 years but I too can claim that my forefathers were also there 3500 yrs ago, that does not give me the right to impose
My dictate on everyone on the island, and say if you don’t like it leave, or we’ll deport you.

What does give me the right to defend myself and wish to separate my people from yours is that after the Constitution, your people in their self-interests
Of making Cyprus an Hellenic state started killing my people. If I beat up your son or daughter over a given period, because my son wanted to control the entire playground, I wouldn’t expect you to stay passive.

Like you say this is a cease-fire not peace, if you want peace go to the UN or Eu and admit what we suffered, and why, explain your position truthfully, and tell us how you guarantee this will not happen again. We accepted the veto, and it didn’t work, what more is there that you expect us to accept?.

As long as people see Cyprus in terms of victory or defeat, there will always be losers.

[Piratis]

Your point about not accepting defeat is disturbing. We are not talking about a football match here. We are talking about not killing each other.
We as tcs do not talk of things like victory, but peace.

You want to talk about peace by keeping our land. As I said to you the equivalent would be to have peace by deporting all TCs from Cyprus.

Cyprus is the country of all Cypriots. The ones that don't like Cyprus and its people are free to leave. If some people commit crimes then those exact people should be punished, and not other innocent ones.

As long as people see Cyprus in terms of victory or defeat, there will always be losers.

We can either all win, or all lose in the long run.

As I said before comparatively we committed way less crimes than Turkey. So definitely we will not accept to be punished and Turkey reworded.

We can either agree on something that will not be worst than 1960 agreements for anybody, or we will keep inflicting losses on each other.

[gabaston]

ok Piratis if you dont like Cyprus, then you leave.

[Agios Amvrosios]

As a foreigner

Ha ha ha ha

If you're not a Turkish Cypriot I'll chop my own finger off.

Ha ha ha ha

Carry on