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[halil]

The number of Greek Cypriots who have applied to the TRNC Immovable Property Commission has reached 314.
The Commission has so far settled 38 of the outstanding applications.
While 32 of these cases were settled through compensation, the commission ruled exchange of property as a settlement for two applicants.

The commission has also agreed to return the property of 4 applicants, one of them after a political settlement.

The TRNC immovable property commission recognized by the European Court of Human Rights as an ‘adequate legal domestic remedy’ for property claims by Greek Cypriots seeks to settle applications either through compensation, exchange or return.

Greek Cypriot applicants who receive compensation give up all claims over the property in dispute.

Last month, the European Court of Human Rights has endorsed a friendly settlement between Greek Cypriot Mike Tymvios and the TRNC Immovable Property Commission.

The judgment by the Court was hailed as an important precedent recognizing the Immovable Property Commission as a means of domestic remedy for property claims by Greek Cypriots.

this the building for İmmovable property commision at SARAYÖNÜ -NİCOSİA

[Kikapu]

That's about an average of 2-3 cases per month Halil. The remaining 314 cases will have to wait at least 10 years before it is solved. I think peace will come before they get compensation, what do you think.??

[halil]

That's about an average of 2-3 cases per month Halil. The remaining 314 cases will have to wait at least 10 years before it is solved. I think peace will come before they get compensation, what do you think.??

keep your fingers crossed .

[Jerry]

Why don't they have a website? Why do applications have to be made in Turkish when most applicants speak Greek or English. Why isn't the "TRNC" office in London staffed by competent people who can give a straight answer to a straight question. Why does it take so long for applications to be determined.

WHY SHOULD I HAVE TO ASK FOR MY STOLEN PROPERTY TO BE RETURNED TO ME BY A "CIVILISED" COUNTRY THAT WANTS TO JOIN THE EU.

[halil]

Turks working on compromise property formula
By Simon Bahceli

A FORMULA for the resolution of the thorny issue of refugee property rights could soon be proposed by the Turkish Cypriot side, spokesman for the north’s leadership said yesterday.

“We are looking at a variety of formulas that we hope both sides can agree to,” Hasan Ercakica, spokesman for Turkish Cypriot leader Mehmet Ali Talat told the Cyprus Mail yesterday.

Ercakica’s words came in the wake of statements over the weekend from Talat stating that the property issue was the most “thorny” of all the issues that would need to be solved before an overall solution to the Cyprus problem is found.

“It is the most difficult issue because it is one that affects everyone,” Talat said, adding that the problem was further complicated by the fact that properties left behind by refugees from both communities had “changed hands” numerous times since the conflicts that left the island divided along ethnic lines.

But despite the complications, Talat said his side “has a formula” and would present it to Greek Cypriot negotiators soon.

Talat’s spokesman yesterday, however, spoke of a variety of possible formulas that would seek compromise between Turkish and Greek Cypriot views on the issue. While the Turkish Cypriot side would prefer to see a global exchange of properties between Greek and Turkish Cypriot refugees, the Greek Cypriot side insists that the ownership rights of its refugees are maintained, regardless of whether properties fall under Turkish or Greek Cypriot jurisdiction following a solution.

But despite the Turkish Cypriot side’s preferences, Ercakica insisted that whatever was agreed in the end would be a compromise.

“We are taking on board the wishes of the Greek Cypriots and are open to criticism,” he said yesterday, adding: “If we hit an obstacle, we will look for ways around it.”

Ercakica also conceded that the UN’s most recent model for solving the property issue, published in the 2004 Annan plan, was “too complicated”. Indeed, one of the Greek Cypriot side’s chief reasons for rejecting the Annan plan was that it gave only partial right of return to refugees under a system that many said they failed to properly understand.

Ercakica says Turkish Cypriot negotiators are currently working to iron out anomalies that would have arisen out from the Annan plan had it been implemented.

“You may have had situations where Greek Cypriots were allowed to re-establish ownership of their properties but not be allowed to move back into them. Examples like this are what we are trying to overcome,” the spokesman said.

However, a Turkish Cypriot property expert who did not wish to be named told the Mail yesterday that “whatever formula you come up with, it’s going to be complicated”.

“When one side insists on maintaining its rights to all abandoned properties, while the other calls for an overall exchange, the only way forward is compromise. What else can you do when you have these two extremes to work with?” the expert said.

The expert concluded that while the Annan plan’s property regime may have been complicated, it was an “extremely good compromise”.

“There is no simple solution, so any solution devised will be a compromise and will be complicated.”



Copyright © Cyprus Mail 2008

[bilako22]

Why don't they have a website? Why do applications have to be made in Turkish when most applicants speak Greek or English. Why isn't the "TRNC" office in London staffed by competent people who can give a straight answer to a straight question. Why does it take so long for applications to be determined.

WHY SHOULD I HAVE TO ASK FOR MY STOLEN PROPERTY TO BE RETURNED TO ME BY A "CIVILISED" COUNTRY THAT WANTS TO JOIN THE EU.

This is the Cypriot way of doing these things.Do not worry , make the application and fair compensation will be paid.

[Jerry]

Why don't they have a website? Why do applications have to be made in Turkish when most applicants speak Greek or English. Why isn't the "TRNC" office in London staffed by competent people who can give a straight answer to a straight question. Why does it take so long for applications to be determined.

WHY SHOULD I HAVE TO ASK FOR MY STOLEN PROPERTY TO BE RETURNED TO ME BY A "CIVILISED" COUNTRY THAT WANTS TO JOIN THE EU.

This is the Cypriot way of doing these things.Do not worry , make the application and fair compensation will be paid.

What in 10 years time? I have not had use of it for 34 years, will I be compensated for that? Will you compensate for all the hotel bills for 34 years because I have had to visit Cyprus as a tourist?

[Nikitas]

Global exchange of properties my eye! This is the nice way of saying "land grab", and it is clear to see through this nonsense. There is no way that the sum total of TC property in the south can equal the acreage or value of GC property in the north.

What is proposed by the TC side is a paradox where any EU citizen will be able to own property anywhere in the EU but only GCs will NOT be allowed to own their own property in their own country. This is NOT the European way and it is a non starter.

There is also another EU detail which the TCs are not looking into. When dealing with EU registered public corporations a government is NOT allowed to ask for share nominations. Greece got into trouble over that one and was fined by the EU court. So a public corporation will be allowed to buy property in the TC and no one can demand that it names its shareholders. Is this ringing any bells yet?

[DT.]

Global exchange of properties my eye! This is the nice way of saying "land grab", and it is clear to see through this nonsense. There is no way that the sum total of TC property in the south can equal the acreage or value of GC property in the north.

What is proposed by the TC side is a paradox where any EU citizen will be able to own property anywhere in the EU but only GCs will NOT be allowed to own their own property in their own country. This is NOT the European way and it is a non starter.

There is also another EU detail which the TCs are not looking into. When dealing with EU registered public corporations a government is NOT allowed to ask for share nominations. Greece got into trouble over that one and was fined by the EU court. So a public corporation will be allowed to buy property in the TC and no one can demand that it names its shareholders. Is this ringing any bells yet?

Old news Nikitas. We had this one covered even if the hellish AP was implemented. There will be a 2 year boom in the property prices over there soon as there is a solution due to every GC owned offshore (bearer shares controlled) company in the planet buying up every available inch of land in the north.

[observer]

As the law makes clear, you can apply for compensation now, apply for an exchange of property now, or apply for restitution of your property now. With three options, there doesn't have to be an equal amount of property in the North and South.

Alternatively, you can wait for a full political solution and accept what will be negotiated.