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[Nikitas]

Observer said:

"Alternatively, you can wait for a full political solution and accept what will be negotiated."

This is where you are wrong. No solution can override the European charter of human rights, the one applied by the ECHR. Property ownership, possession and infettered enjoyment of proprty is enshrined as a human right.

Any agreement that tries to override these rights will be open to challenges. So going back to the posted article, the global eschange idea is bullshit. People will retain ownership of their property and after a solution is reached can deal with their property as they see fit. Some might exchange it, some might not. It is their business, as it should be in the EU.

The property issue, like the settler issue is a major fuck up by Turkey. It was unnecessary and time has proven how harmful it has been to the TCs themselves. It is ironic that while Turkey is returning properties to Greeks in Istanbul inorder to satisfy EU entry requirements, we, who are in the EU, are palying silly buggers with property.

[DT.]

Observer said:

"Alternatively, you can wait for a full political solution and accept what will be negotiated."

This is where you are wrong. No solution can override the European charter of human rights, the one applied by the ECHR. Property ownership, possession and infettered enjoyment of proprty is enshrined as a human right.

Any agreement that tries to override these rights will be open to challenges. So going back to the posted article, the global eschange idea is bullshit. People will retain ownership of their property and after a solution is reached can deal with their property as they see fit. Some might exchange it, some might not. It is their business, as it should be in the EU.

The property issue, like the settler issue is a major fuck up by Turkey. It was unnecessary and time has proven how harmful it has been to the TCs themselves. It is ironic that while Turkey is returning properties to Greeks in Istanbul inorder to satisfy EU entry requirements, we, who are in the EU, are palying silly buggers with property.

this is the reason for their insistence on primary law

[Kikapu]

Turks working on compromise property formula
By Simon Bahceli

A FORMULA for the resolution of the thorny issue of refugee property rights could soon be proposed by the Turkish Cypriot side, spokesman for the north’s leadership said yesterday.

“We are looking at a variety of formulas that we hope both sides can agree to,” Hasan Ercakica, spokesman for Turkish Cypriot leader Mehmet Ali Talat told the Cyprus Mail yesterday.

Ercakica’s words came in the wake of statements over the weekend from Talat stating that the property issue was the most “thorny” of all the issues that would need to be solved before an overall solution to the Cyprus problem is found.

“It is the most difficult issue because it is one that affects everyone,” Talat said, adding that the problem was further complicated by the fact that properties left behind by refugees from both communities had “changed hands” numerous times since the conflicts that left the island divided along ethnic lines.

But despite the complications, Talat said his side “has a formula” and would present it to Greek Cypriot negotiators soon.

Talat’s spokesman yesterday, however, spoke of a variety of possible formulas that would seek compromise between Turkish and Greek Cypriot views on the issue. While the Turkish Cypriot side would prefer to see a global exchange of properties between Greek and Turkish Cypriot refugees, the Greek Cypriot side insists that the ownership rights of its refugees are maintained, regardless of whether properties fall under Turkish or Greek Cypriot jurisdiction following a solution.

But despite the Turkish Cypriot side’s preferences, Ercakica insisted that whatever was agreed in the end would be a compromise.

“We are taking on board the wishes of the Greek Cypriots and are open to criticism,” he said yesterday, adding: “If we hit an obstacle, we will look for ways around it.”

Ercakica also conceded that the UN’s most recent model for solving the property issue, published in the 2004 Annan plan, was “too complicated”. Indeed, one of the Greek Cypriot side’s chief reasons for rejecting the Annan plan was that it gave only partial right of return to refugees under a system that many said they failed to properly understand.

Ercakica says Turkish Cypriot negotiators are currently working to iron out anomalies that would have arisen out from the Annan plan had it been implemented.

“You may have had situations where Greek Cypriots were allowed to re-establish ownership of their properties but not be allowed to move back into them. Examples like this are what we are trying to overcome,” the spokesman said.

However, a Turkish Cypriot property expert who did not wish to be named told the Mail yesterday that “whatever formula you come up with, it’s going to be complicated”.

“When one side insists on maintaining its rights to all abandoned properties, while the other calls for an overall exchange, the only way forward is compromise. What else can you do when you have these two extremes to work with?” the expert said.

The expert concluded that while the Annan plan’s property regime may have been complicated, it was an “extremely good compromise”.

“There is no simple solution, so any solution devised will be a compromise and will be complicated.”



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“It is the most difficult issue because it is one that affects everyone,” Talat said, adding that the problem was further complicated by the fact that properties left behind by refugees from both communities had “changed hands” numerous times since the conflicts that left the island divided along ethnic lines.

This is an inaccurate statement by Talat, "that properties left behind by refugees from both communities had “changed hands” numerous times since the conflicts " . He can say that about the GC's properties in the north, but not the TC properties in the south. In any case, it is a irrelevant point, because the original legal owners remain to be the legal owners of the property no matter how many times the property changed hands. Here is my list of who bears the responsibility and who should lose their investment in buying property "that fell off a lorry".

1. The "TRNC" for giving the GC's properties away to others and allowing sale of "hot" properties.

2. The seller for selling "hot" property.

3. The buyer should lose his investment for buying a "hot" property.

Now, the last buyer who loses his investment can turn around and sue the seller, his lawyer for lousy property search of ownership, and the realty agent for offering to sell a "hot" property on behalf of the seller. This can keep going until it reaches the doorsteps of the "TRNC". They created this mess, so let them clean it up. It is non of the original legal owners business who loses their investments along the "chain of immoral", as long as he does not. If such activities has also happened to TC properties in the south, then the same rules apply there also.

The expert concluded that while the Annan plan’s property regime may have been complicated, it was an “extremely good compromise”.

This guy is an EXPERT for making such a claim.

What's his/her name.??

[humanist]

hey observer, get a grip on things ......... blame the RoC all you like on its attempts to prevent human right violations. My inheritance is under siege by TC's so as far as am concerned you have no right to occupy my property and therefore i welcome any attempt of the RoC government to do me justice cause you don;t give a shit about me

[Jerry]

Whether the property problem is solved by the EHCR, the "Commission" or by a political agreement the plain fact is that it will take decades to sort out this property mess and the majority of claimants including myself will probably be dead befofe they get justice. Fuck Turkey.

[bilako22]

Whether the property problem is solved by the EHCR, the "Commission" or by a political agreement the plain fact is that it will take decades to sort out this property mess and the majority of claimants including myself will probably be dead befofe they get justice. Fuck Turkey.

Come , come my Cypriot compatriot. Surely you meant the Gc leadership and the people that voted them in?

[Nikitas]

"the majority of claimants including myself will probably be dead befofe they get justice."

Well, isn't that the point after all, to take so long that in the end there is no claimants?