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[denizaksulu]

You are an idiot my friend.

The Poll was to gauge the opinion of GCs. How the hell can TCs vote on whether GC consider war an option against Turkey? Are you completely thick or what? IT HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH REPRESENTING THE RoC.

The TCs choose the "TRNC" above the RoC anyway! You TCs really make me laugh. You try to claim the RoC when it suits you, and disassociate yourselves from it when it doesn't! Nothing but a bunch of hypocritical vipers!!!!!!!

Simon, what you say here cuts both ways. First you want us TCs to behave like Cypriots when it suits you, when not, it becomes TCs and GCs. Make up your minds. I am sorry that you missed the point with the original poll. It was meant to be for the two protagonists views, of which I supported Miltiades' view. Which in my opinion was for a peaceful settlement and re-unification of some sorts (mutually agreeable ofcourse). When the warmongers saw that they were going to lose the poll, it was decided to remove the mainly 'peaceful means' voters from the equation. This was done by calling for a GCvote only. It is not our fault if your 'manifesto's did not make this clear right at the beginning.

[Kikapu]

Talking about asking permission for this and that...

Did anybody ask us if we wanted to be born???

Did anybody ask us if we wanted to be human,animal,vegetable or mineral???

Did anyone ask us if we wanted to be GCs or TCs?????

Did anyone ask us to choose our parents???

Did anyone ask us if we wanted to be Muslims or Christians????

Did anyone ask us if we wanted to live in a Democracy???

Did anyone ask us to chose when to die????


Thinking about it...we are pretty helpless over most important things in our lives...
we are not just helpless we are also hopeless...When we do get to choose,we choose hatred over love,war over peace, revenge over compassion,bigotry over enlightenment,bitterness over forgiveness,and insults over tolerance and praise...As humans we are a curse on this earth...This world would've been much better without us...

Bir,

It's a little bit too late to be asking any questions on the things we did not have too much control of my friend.!!

But what we can do, is to roll our sleeves and preach peace and harmony until even the "deaf" can hear it.

The one thing that we do have until it is no longer there for us, is time, so lets make use of it, because time does not stand still and neither does it's surroundings. Time solves everything, and time will also solve the Cyprus problem. The only question is, when. Personally, it will be sooner than most think, because the present situation is not acceptable to anyone, except for the very few.!

Now, let me see you smile............come on........lets see a big smile.!

There, that's much better. Now, enjoy your day and your life my friend because we need you here at the
"peace and harmony" department on the forum.

[Chara]

Sorry to but in here. But i think everyone has a right to creat a thread that they chose designed for a specific demographic. If it's so much of a problem, why don't you start your own poll and put yourself in the other persons shoes?

Just playing devils advocate...you can all now attack me! LOL

[denizaksulu]

Did you ask us about Enosis?

Did you ask us about TMT?

Actually here's a devastating one Shah...

DID YOU ASK US ABOUT 1571?

Beat that!

I believe somebody did ask the Ottomans to save the poor Cypriots from the Venetian yoke.

[Chara]

I have a solution to our problem....we play weakest link...5 contestants from TC and 5 from GC and who ever wins gets Cyprus!!!

[DT.]

I have a solution to our problem....we play weakest link...5 contestants from TC and 5 from GC and who ever wins gets Cyprus!!!

The correct ratio should be 5 GC's and 1 TC

[denizaksulu]

I get it so its your "right" to abuse our "rights" because you are the majority? Well I am sorry for you Piratis but if the world was really ruled according to what the majority wanted than we would be living on a VERY different planet by now where the minority would not have control over the majority as it is right now.

If you will not respect our rights than neither will we respect yours and you seem to have a greater loss at the moment and that's just though shit for you brother. You are in no position to call the shots it seems like.

Plus its no use pulling the Kurdish card on us either because the Kurds never actually ruled nor owned that country and nor they want to, its the PKK who is ruining it for the rest and most Kurds do actually live in peace. So if the PKK has the right for self determination through violence then so do we by FAR, meaning you have shot yourself in the foot.

However we on the other hand, happen to be equal partners here which you seem to forget, we gave you your rights on this island as opposed to your claims that we suddenly invaded the ever peaceful Cypriot population and destroyed everything, you were slaves here, but now you are trying to take our rights in return, how noble and how ever so Greek.

And can you point to me which of your "rights" we abused by asking for a referendum so the Cypriot people can democratically decide the fate of their own island by choosing one of the legitimate options for decolonization????? None

It is interesting how you think that you made us a favor that you invaded us and kept Cyprus under your rule by force and the Greek Cypriots as second category citizens, but it is supposedly an abuse to your "rights" if instead of our overlords you were simply equal Cypriots with one vote each like everybody else.

And no, you can not be compared with the Kurds. The Kurds have been living in their lands since before the Turks arrived there, and they are the legal majority in the Kurdistan area. On the other hand you arrived here as invaders with the sole aim to enslave us and exploit the Cypriots and Cyprus. So it is funny for you to claim that your minority should actually have more rights than the Kurdish minority in Turkey, and every other minority in the whole world.

Your greediness and arrogance is amazing, but not surprising. It is fueled by the promises given to you by Turkey and UK, who use you in order to deny to the Cypriot people their freedom so they can keep their troops on our island. But don't worry, justice will be served and Cyprus will be freed and you will never enjoy the gains promised to you by your puppeteers.

Piratis, when the Ottomans invaded Cyprus in 1571, the Orthodox were at the bottom of the ladder as serfs. They had no rights to any kind of property or land. It was under the Ottomans that the Orthodox gained a semblance of recognition and power when under the Millet system you were given rights to land and inheritance. The church was enriched and given the power to 'rule ' over the christian population - where the Catholics converted and added to the Orthodox population. You know all these but choose to ignore them. Admit that under the Ottomans you DID fare much better than when under the Lusignans and Venetians.

Regards

[DT.]

I get it so its your "right" to abuse our "rights" because you are the majority? Well I am sorry for you Piratis but if the world was really ruled according to what the majority wanted than we would be living on a VERY different planet by now where the minority would not have control over the majority as it is right now.

If you will not respect our rights than neither will we respect yours and you seem to have a greater loss at the moment and that's just though shit for you brother. You are in no position to call the shots it seems like.

Plus its no use pulling the Kurdish card on us either because the Kurds never actually ruled nor owned that country and nor they want to, its the PKK who is ruining it for the rest and most Kurds do actually live in peace. So if the PKK has the right for self determination through violence then so do we by FAR, meaning you have shot yourself in the foot.

However we on the other hand, happen to be equal partners here which you seem to forget, we gave you your rights on this island as opposed to your claims that we suddenly invaded the ever peaceful Cypriot population and destroyed everything, you were slaves here, but now you are trying to take our rights in return, how noble and how ever so Greek.

And can you point to me which of your "rights" we abused by asking for a referendum so the Cypriot people can democratically decide the fate of their own island by choosing one of the legitimate options for decolonization????? None

It is interesting how you think that you made us a favor that you invaded us and kept Cyprus under your rule by force and the Greek Cypriots as second category citizens, but it is supposedly an abuse to your "rights" if instead of our overlords you were simply equal Cypriots with one vote each like everybody else.

And no, you can not be compared with the Kurds. The Kurds have been living in their lands since before the Turks arrived there, and they are the legal majority in the Kurdistan area. On the other hand you arrived here as invaders with the sole aim to enslave us and exploit the Cypriots and Cyprus. So it is funny for you to claim that your minority should actually have more rights than the Kurdish minority in Turkey, and every other minority in the whole world.

Your greediness and arrogance is amazing, but not surprising. It is fueled by the promises given to you by Turkey and UK, who use you in order to deny to the Cypriot people their freedom so they can keep their troops on our island. But don't worry, justice will be served and Cyprus will be freed and you will never enjoy the gains promised to you by your puppeteers.

Piratis, when the Ottomans invaded Cyprus in 1571, the Orthodox were at the bottom of the ladder as serfs. They had no rights to any kind of property or land. It was under the Ottomans that the Orthodox gained a semblance of recognition and power when under the Millet system you were given rights to land and inheritance. The church was enriched and given the power to 'rule ' over the christian population - where the Catholics converted and added to the Orthodox population. You know all these but choose to ignore them. Admit that under the Ottomans you DID fare much better than when under the Lusignans and Venetians.

Regards

foreign rule, is foreign rule. Small improvements from one tyrant to another are details.

Screw the Lusignans
Screw the Venetians
Screw the Ottomans
Screw the British.

They all screwed the Cypriots.

[denizaksulu]

I get it so its your "right" to abuse our "rights" because you are the majority? Well I am sorry for you Piratis but if the world was really ruled according to what the majority wanted than we would be living on a VERY different planet by now where the minority would not have control over the majority as it is right now.

If you will not respect our rights than neither will we respect yours and you seem to have a greater loss at the moment and that's just though shit for you brother. You are in no position to call the shots it seems like.

Plus its no use pulling the Kurdish card on us either because the Kurds never actually ruled nor owned that country and nor they want to, its the PKK who is ruining it for the rest and most Kurds do actually live in peace. So if the PKK has the right for self determination through violence then so do we by FAR, meaning you have shot yourself in the foot.

However we on the other hand, happen to be equal partners here which you seem to forget, we gave you your rights on this island as opposed to your claims that we suddenly invaded the ever peaceful Cypriot population and destroyed everything, you were slaves here, but now you are trying to take our rights in return, how noble and how ever so Greek.

And can you point to me which of your "rights" we abused by asking for a referendum so the Cypriot people can democratically decide the fate of their own island by choosing one of the legitimate options for decolonization????? None

It is interesting how you think that you made us a favor that you invaded us and kept Cyprus under your rule by force and the Greek Cypriots as second category citizens, but it is supposedly an abuse to your "rights" if instead of our overlords you were simply equal Cypriots with one vote each like everybody else.

And no, you can not be compared with the Kurds. The Kurds have been living in their lands since before the Turks arrived there, and they are the legal majority in the Kurdistan area. On the other hand you arrived here as invaders with the sole aim to enslave us and exploit the Cypriots and Cyprus. So it is funny for you to claim that your minority should actually have more rights than the Kurdish minority in Turkey, and every other minority in the whole world.

Your greediness and arrogance is amazing, but not surprising. It is fueled by the promises given to you by Turkey and UK, who use you in order to deny to the Cypriot people their freedom so they can keep their troops on our island. But don't worry, justice will be served and Cyprus will be freed and you will never enjoy the gains promised to you by your puppeteers.

Piratis, when the Ottomans invaded Cyprus in 1571, the Orthodox were at the bottom of the ladder as serfs. They had no rights to any kind of property or land. It was under the Ottomans that the Orthodox gained a semblance of recognition and power when under the Millet system you were given rights to land and inheritance. The church was enriched and given the power to 'rule ' over the christian population - where the Catholics converted and added to the Orthodox population. You know all these but choose to ignore them. Admit that under the Ottomans you DID fare much better than when under the Lusignans and Venetians.

Regards

foreign rule, is foreign rule. Small improvements from one tyrant to another are details.

Screw the Lusignans
Screw the Venetians
Screw the Ottomans
Screw the British.

They all screwed the Cypriots.

DT, I was answering Piratis assertions. Ofcourse you are entitled to your views. Some idiot will refer to 1571, then he will get a response.

[Simon]

Deniz, you do not even make sense.

I want TCs to be Cypriots all the time, but while they continue to choose the "TRNC" over the RoC, then they shall remain more TURKISH than Cypriot in my eyes. That is their and your choice not mine. You want to claim the RoC when it suits you, and the "TRNC" when it doesn't. We see the effect of this daily. It is you that needs to make up your mind. We choose the RoC. If you choose a Turkish state, than please do not have the audacity to talk to me about Cypriot!

Secondly, by your post you seem to be referring to GCs as the war mongers and TCs as peace lovers. This seems racist and stereotypical. It also has nothing to do with the fact that TCs have the Turks MILITARILY occupying Cyprus does it? At the expense of GCs! I wonder if it was the other way around you TCs would be so peaceful! Such peace lovers TCs are!

Thirdly, it is perfectly legitimate to ask only GCs to vote in a poll. I am sorry, I am trying to see your point, but it has absolutely no validity whatsoever. It was an opinion poll on what action GCs believe could be taken against Turkey to remove them. How can a TC vote on such a thing? It will mean taking action against their so called "state". So it is ridiculous for them to participate. In any event, the fact that the poll stated "ONLY GREEK CYPRIOTS VOTE" should mean that any honest TC would refrain from voting. Unfortunately, you did not have the integrity to do this, and instead chose to try to influence the vote in order to give a false impression of what options GCs considered open to solve the Cyprus problem. Complete dishonesty! Vote rigging is the correct term for it.

From your argument, it would not be legitimate for any opinion poll to occur where only the GCs voted! You better tell the UN! Your point is utterly ludicrous!!

From your point, for example, if TCs got recognition tomorrow, and I started a poll for GCs asking whether the problem is now insurmountable, TCs would all be able to vote! They would be able to vote yes, to distort GC opinion!! Your point is a complete fallacy!