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[shahmaran]

Bollocks!

[Simon]

Well if you say so Shah, I guess that must be true.

Please don't try to bamboozle me with any arguments or evidence though will you.

Read a few history books! I sorry I forgot, history is altered when it does not suit Turks! Remember the Armenians? Admitted that one yet?
Oh I forgot, genocide to Turks is a couple of hundred dying on both sides as what happened in Cyprus.

[shahmaran]

Well if you say so Shah, I guess that must be true.

Please don't try to bamboozle me with any arguments or evidence though will you.

Read a few history books! I sorry I forgot, history is altered when it does not suit Turks! Remember the Armenians? Admitted that one yet?

Right sorry Simon, I must have overlooked the overwhelming amount of evidence you have put before me

What was it?

"We have come here through peace"

[Simon]

I am not here to teach you history Shah. Read a few books!

Nearly all independent sources state that the Greeks settled on Cyprus through trade. The Cypriot population would have been tiny back then. There was no equivalent to the brutal Turkish and Ottoman invasions.

[shahmaran]

Ottomans took you over from someone else, you were here yes but never really owned the place so what the hell are you on about Simon?

Care to read me a passage from your "history books"?

[Simon]

What the hell does that have to do with anything, who was in charge? My point was Greeks came to Cyprus relatively peacefully.

Read a book yourself! Unless you are going to pay me to be your teacher

[Piratis]

Did you ask us about Enosis?

We asked for a referendum so each Cypriot could cast their vote and a decision for the way Cyprus would be decolonized would be chosen by Cypriots in a democratic and peaceful way.

Right Piratis would you really buy the shit you are trying to sell here?

Piratis understanding of democracy:

- Majority of a people is Greek

- Minority is Turkish.

- The majority OBVIOUSLY chooses to merge with Greece

- The minority OBVIOUSLY refuses to do so.

"Oh but this is our democratic right"

Your question was if we asked TCs about enosis. And the answer is that yes, we asked for a referendum so all Cypriots would be asked and cast their vote.

So according to you when the great majority of Cypriots didn't want to be under the Ottoman or British empires it was still fine for those foreigners to impose on us their rule, but when the great majority of Cypriots themselves wanted to be part of Greece that was not OK??

[shahmaran]

Did you ask us about Enosis?

We asked for a referendum so each Cypriot could cast their vote and a decision for the way Cyprus would be decolonized would be chosen by Cypriots in a democratic and peaceful way.

Right Piratis would you really buy the shit you are trying to sell here?

Piratis understanding of democracy:

- Majority of a people is Greek

- Minority is Turkish.

- The majority OBVIOUSLY chooses to merge with Greece

- The minority OBVIOUSLY refuses to do so.

"Oh but this is our democratic right"

Your question was if we asked TCs about enosis. And the answer is that yes, we asked for a referendum so all Cypriots would be asked and cast their vote.

So according to you when the great majority of Cypriots didn't want to be under the Ottoman or British empires it was still fine for those foreigners to impose on us their rule, but when the great majority of Cypriots themselves wanted to be part of Greece that was not OK??

You seem to talk like Cypriots were 1 body acting under the same ideas and beliefs when they were far from it.

We are not electing Miss Cyprus here Piratis, you are seriously defending the fact that the choices which are very much dependent on ethnicity should also go through a standard democratic poll.

But here the numbers are so apart from each other that the minority could never win anything that is for the benefit of its ethnicity because the opposition will always win through numbers. Enosis is not about a "nation" its about an ethnic group so you cannot treat it like any other "democratic right".

Can you not see why this is such bullshit?

No shit we had to fight for what we deserve, because it was never going to happen any other way, you wanted what was best for the Greek Cypriots and we we wanted what was best for the Turkish Cypriots. Whats the problem? How could you expect otherwise?

[Simon]

So where would this end Shah? What if the TCs were 10%? What if they were 5%? 2%? 0.5%?

By your reckoning, a minority that makes up 0.001% of the population would also be entitled to separate elections?

[Piratis]

Did you ask us about Enosis?

We asked for a referendum so each Cypriot could cast their vote and a decision for the way Cyprus would be decolonized would be chosen by Cypriots in a democratic and peaceful way.

Right Piratis would you really buy the shit you are trying to sell here?

Piratis understanding of democracy:

- Majority of a people is Greek

- Minority is Turkish.

- The majority OBVIOUSLY chooses to merge with Greece

- The minority OBVIOUSLY refuses to do so.

"Oh but this is our democratic right"

Your question was if we asked TCs about enosis. And the answer is that yes, we asked for a referendum so all Cypriots would be asked and cast their vote.

So according to you when the great majority of Cypriots didn't want to be under the Ottoman or British empires it was still fine for those foreigners to impose on us their rule, but when the great majority of Cypriots themselves wanted to be part of Greece that was not OK??

You seem to talk like Cypriots were 1 body acting under the same ideas and beliefs when they were far from it.

We are not electing Miss Cyprus here Piratis, you are seriously defending the fact that the choices which are very much dependent on ethnicity should also go through a standard democratic poll.

But here the numbers are so apart from each other that the minority could never win anything that is for the benefit of its ethnicity because the opposition will always win through numbers. Enosis is not about a "nation" its about an ethnic group so you cannot treat it like any other "democratic right".

Can you not see why this is such bullshit?

shahmaran, ethnic minorities exist almost everywhere, you are not the only ones. Ethnic minorities are entitled to their human rights (like everybody else) and to some additional minority rights. But they are not entitled in imposing their will undemocratically on the whole population. Do they ask the Kurds separetely in order to take a decision in Turkey for example? If for example the Kurds opposed the EU accession of Turkey, while the majority of Turkish citizens approved it, would Turkey abandon her accession process?

You are entitled to want what you believe is best for you, but you are not entitled to violate the rights of others in order to get what you want.

No shit we had to fight for what we deserve, because it was never going to happen any other way, you wanted what was best for the Greek Cypriots and we we wanted what was best for the Turkish Cypriots. Whats the problem? How could you expect otherwise?

It is not about what you want. It is about what you have the right for. If everybody did whatever they wanted then we would be in a constant conflict and war. For example you can't take Kerynia which has a Greek Cypriot majority for 1000s of years, and say that you will rule it just because you want to. It is not yours to rule, and if you try to take it away from us it means you are violating our rights and therefore it means war for which you are responsible for.