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[Kikapu]

Here are some true facts from the Perry Anderson's article.

When votes were counted, the results said everything: 65 per cent of Turkish Cypriots accepted it, 76 per cent of Greek Cypriots rejected it. What political scientist, without needing to know anything about the plan, could for an instant doubt whom it favoured?

What I don't understand is, why was the TC vote only 65% for the AP and not 100%. What more did the other 35% wanted.??

I also don't understand, why only 76% GC's voted against the AP and not 100%. Did the 24% GC's really thought that the AP could have been much worse, so they said "lets not take a chance on the next one and vote for it now, because it might be worse next time around".??

Your views on Cyprus are probably influenced by the fact that you failed in your quest to obtain some of the spoils of war . There are many TCs like you who , living outside Cyprus , are bitter about losing out on the big land distribution back in 1974.

Here is the other.

the constitution of Zurich had proved unworkable enough, leading only to communal strife and breakdown. The constitution of Bürgenstock, far more complicated and still more inequitable, was a recipe for yet greater rancour and paralysis.

No kidding.!!

This has been my whole argument as to why I'm against the AP, because it would have made matters worse in Cyprus than they already are now.

I'm sure the NeoPartitionist would argue with me on my last point.!!

No kidding.!!

How come you and I agree on on so much regarding Cyprus , is it because we are both Cypriots !!!

Miltiades,

Happy belated birthday my friend.

I don't know the exact reasons as to why we agree on the Cyprus issues Miltiades. Being Cypriot does help, but there are other Cypriots on the forum who does not see things the way we do, so just being Cypriot may not be the answer.

Being outside Cyprus and looking in with a different prospective may be another answer, but then again, there others in the same situation, and yet they do not agree on how we see things.

It may be personality, humility, principles, morals, understanding, being compassionate, being human and so on also plays part in how some see things than others, depending what are their core values.

There are also personal experiences one may have endured during our ugly past on the island, which some dealt with it and moved on and others have not been able to deal with it and are stuck in the past, and the future is nothing but one insecurity for them, no matter what others say.

Then there are the morally corrupted ones who are enjoying the spoils of the Cyprus problem for their own personal gains. These people are the real criminals who are trying very hard to prevent a better future for Cyprus. The criminals of the past have done their damage and for the most part, they are gone, but today's criminals are still with us. This is why it is important for us to point out who these people are from both side of the divide. I can assure you, that these criminals are the minority and they do not speak for the majority. A just and fair solution peace plan is what everyone is expecting to move the country forward, because we have already seen what an unjust and unfair peace plan did for us in the past and we don't need another one of the same, for the future.

Your views on Cyprus are probably influenced by the fact that you failed in your quest to obtain some of the spoils of war . There are many TCs like you who , living outside Cyprus , are bitter about losing out on the big land distribution back in 1974.

It took me a while to find your message bilako22. Please post your message separate from my post so that members can see it....thanks.

So, using your logic, since your views are different than mine on Cyprus, can I then make the assumption that you have personally benefited from the spoils of the war since 1974, therefore you fall under the category of being morally corrupted for stealing others land which to us "Turks" is nothing more than Haram money. If you have taken stolen land, then it stands the reason that you will not want peace ever, because it will mean having to give it back, or at the least pay the legal owner today's market price, which you will not do, otherwise you would not have corrupted yourself in the first place to buy stolen land on the cheap. This also puts you into the NeoPartitionist categorie also. Man, you are beginning to collect immoral awards left and right tonight, if we are to go by your logic. Can you then confirm to us that, that is exactly what you have done, otherwise your post is totally invalid.

So bilako22, which is it.??

Just that we do not confuse the issue, I am not talking about TC refugees that were given GC homes in the north temporarily to live in after leaving their homes in the south. I'm talking about those who dealt with stolen GC properties as business to make money at the expense of others.

Just for the record, my immediate family never took GC properties in the north, despite having land in the south....still. We too could have gone through the "exchange" program, but my mother never did. Others in her family did, but not us, and that was by choice.

I hope this puts your mind at rest bilako22.!!

[miltiades]

Here are some true facts from the Perry Anderson's article.

When votes were counted, the results said everything: 65 per cent of Turkish Cypriots accepted it, 76 per cent of Greek Cypriots rejected it. What political scientist, without needing to know anything about the plan, could for an instant doubt whom it favoured?

What I don't understand is, why was the TC vote only 65% for the AP and not 100%. What more did the other 35% wanted.??

I also don't understand, why only 76% GC's voted against the AP and not 100%. Did the 24% GC's really thought that the AP could have been much worse, so they said "lets not take a chance on the next one and vote for it now, because it might be worse next time around".??

Your views on Cyprus are probably influenced by the fact that you failed in your quest to obtain some of the spoils of war . There are many TCs like you who , living outside Cyprus , are bitter about losing out on the big land distribution back in 1974.

Here is the other.

the constitution of Zurich had proved unworkable enough, leading only to communal strife and breakdown. The constitution of Bürgenstock, far more complicated and still more inequitable, was a recipe for yet greater rancour and paralysis.

No kidding.!!

This has been my whole argument as to why I'm against the AP, because it would have made matters worse in Cyprus than they already are now.

I'm sure the NeoPartitionist would argue with me on my last point.!!

No kidding.!!

How come you and I agree on on so much regarding Cyprus , is it because we are both Cypriots !!!

Miltiades,

Happy belated birthday my friend.

I don't know the exact reasons as to why we agree on the Cyprus issues Miltiades. Being Cypriot does help, but there are other Cypriots on the forum who does not see things the way we do, so just being Cypriot may not be the answer.

Being outside Cyprus and looking in with a different prospective may be another answer, but then again, there others in the same situation, and yet they do not agree on how we see things.

It may be personality, humility, principles, morals, understanding, being compassionate, being human and so on also plays part in how some see things than others, depending what are their core values.

There are also personal experiences one may have endured during our ugly past on the island, which some dealt with it and moved on and others have not been able to deal with it and are stuck in the past, and the future is nothing but one insecurity for them, no matter what others say.

Then there are the morally corrupted ones who are enjoying the spoils of the Cyprus problem for their own personal gains. These people are the real criminals who are trying very hard to prevent a better future for Cyprus. The criminals of the past have done their damage and for the most part, they are gone, but today's criminals are still with us. This is why it is important for us to point out who these people are from both side of the divide. I can assure you, that these criminals are the minority and they do not speak for the majority. A just and fair solution peace plan is what everyone is expecting to move the country forward, because we have already seen what an unjust and unfair peace plan did for us in the past and we don't need another one of the same, for the future.

Your views on Cyprus are probably influenced by the fact that you failed in your quest to obtain some of the spoils of war . There are many TCs like you who , living outside Cyprus , are bitter about losing out on the big land distribution back in 1974.

It took me a while to find your message bilako22. Please post your message separate from my post so that members can see it....thanks.

So, using your logic, since your views are different than mine on Cyprus, can I then make the assumption that you have personally benefited from the spoils of the war since 1974, therefore you fall under the category of being morally corrupted for stealing others land which to us "Turks" is nothing more than Haram money. If you have taken stolen land, then it stands the reason that you will not want peace ever, because it will mean having to give it back, or at the least pay the legal owner today's market price, which you will not do, otherwise you would not have corrupted yourself in the first place to buy stolen land on the cheap. This also puts you into the NeoPartitionist categorie also. Man, you are beginning to collect immoral awards left and right tonight, if we are to go by your logic. Can you then confirm to us that, that is exactly what you have done, otherwise your post is totally invalid.

So bilako22, which is it.??

Just that we do not confuse the issue, I am not talking about TC refugees that were given GC homes in the north temporarily to live in after leaving their homes in the south. I'm talking about those who dealt with stolen GC properties as business to make money at the expense of others.

Just for the record, my immediate family never took GC properties in the north, despite having land in the south....still. We too could have gone through the "exchange" program, but my mother never did. Others in her family did, but not us, and that was by choice.

I hope this puts your mind at rest bilako22.!!

Admirable my dear brother . You have contributed so much to the Cypriot people , both G/Cs and T/Cs , it is people such as you , Bir and many many more that I know so well that make me so proud of the Cypriot race , that is why I challenge and always will those that saw the seeds of mistrust aggression and hatred . I wish I was religious then I could say something like God Bless you , but I will just say , You have my utmost respect and thank you for being a Cypriot above all else .

[repulsewarrior]

Kikapu, i admire you as an individua and a personl more and more...
please, will you take the time to read my Manifesto and to leave a comment.

...sooner than later it would be nice for those who not unlike you gather in the solution proposal section.

I believe that this proposal is a strong basis for a Solution which can provide a strong Unitary State which defends the Rights of its citizens as Individuals, and a society which demonstrates this tolerance and conviction to the betterment of Human Rights, by giving a definition to Bicommunal, and by defining "zone" by territorial jusidiction, rather than two parts, by providing to its Constituents through their self representation as Persons the ability to promote their identities in Goodwill to the minorities which live amongst them.

[bilako22]

Here are some true facts from the Perry Anderson's article.

When votes were counted, the results said everything: 65 per cent of Turkish Cypriots accepted it, 76 per cent of Greek Cypriots rejected it. What political scientist, without needing to know anything about the plan, could for an instant doubt whom it favoured?

What I don't understand is, why was the TC vote only 65% for the AP and not 100%. What more did the other 35% wanted.??

I also don't understand, why only 76% GC's voted against the AP and not 100%. Did the 24% GC's really thought that the AP could have been much worse, so they said "lets not take a chance on the next one and vote for it now, because it might be worse next time around".??

Your views on Cyprus are probably influenced by the fact that you failed in your quest to obtain some of the spoils of war . There are many TCs like you who , living outside Cyprus , are bitter about losing out on the big land distribution back in 1974.

Here is the other.

the constitution of Zurich had proved unworkable enough, leading only to communal strife and breakdown. The constitution of Bürgenstock, far more complicated and still more inequitable, was a recipe for yet greater rancour and paralysis.

No kidding.!!

This has been my whole argument as to why I'm against the AP, because it would have made matters worse in Cyprus than they already are now.

I'm sure the NeoPartitionist would argue with me on my last point.!!

No kidding.!!

How come you and I agree on on so much regarding Cyprus , is it because we are both Cypriots !!!

Miltiades,

Happy belated birthday my friend.

I don't know the exact reasons as to why we agree on the Cyprus issues Miltiades. Being Cypriot does help, but there are other Cypriots on the forum who does not see things the way we do, so just being Cypriot may not be the answer.

Being outside Cyprus and looking in with a different prospective may be another answer, but then again, there others in the same situation, and yet they do not agree on how we see things.

It may be personality, humility, principles, morals, understanding, being compassionate, being human and so on also plays part in how some see things than others, depending what are their core values.

There are also personal experiences one may have endured during our ugly past on the island, which some dealt with it and moved on and others have not been able to deal with it and are stuck in the past, and the future is nothing but one insecurity for them, no matter what others say.

Then there are the morally corrupted ones who are enjoying the spoils of the Cyprus problem for their own personal gains. These people are the real criminals who are trying very hard to prevent a better future for Cyprus. The criminals of the past have done their damage and for the most part, they are gone, but today's criminals are still with us. This is why it is important for us to point out who these people are from both side of the divide. I can assure you, that these criminals are the minority and they do not speak for the majority. A just and fair solution peace plan is what everyone is expecting to move the country forward, because we have already seen what an unjust and unfair peace plan did for us in the past and we don't need another one of the same, for the future.

Your views on Cyprus are probably influenced by the fact that you failed in your quest to obtain some of the spoils of war . There are many TCs like you who , living outside Cyprus , are bitter about losing out on the big land distribution back in 1974.

It took me a while to find your message bilako22. Please post your message separate from my post so that members can see it....thanks.

So, using your logic, since your views are different than mine on Cyprus, can I then make the assumption that you have personally benefited from the spoils of the war since 1974, therefore you fall under the category of being morally corrupted for stealing others land which to us "Turks" is nothing more than Haram money. If you have taken stolen land, then it stands the reason that you will not want peace ever, because it will mean having to give it back, or at the least pay the legal owner today's market price, which you will not do, otherwise you would not have corrupted yourself in the first place to buy stolen land on the cheap. This also puts you into the NeoPartitionist categorie also. Man, you are beginning to collect immoral awards left and right tonight, if we are to go by your logic. Can you then confirm to us that, that is exactly what you have done, otherwise your post is totally invalid.

So bilako22, which is it.??

Just that we do not confuse the issue, I am not talking about TC refugees that were given GC homes in the north temporarily to live in after leaving their homes in the south. I'm talking about those who dealt with stolen GC properties as business to make money at the expense of others.

Just for the record, my immediate family never took GC properties in the north, despite having land in the south....still. We too could have gone through the "exchange" program, but my mother never did. Others in her family did, but not us, and that was by choice.

I hope this puts your mind at rest bilako22.!!

Just as I suspected Professor .You are certainly not using my logic , and your definition of Haram does not fit what has happened in the TRNC.It is impossible to separate the TCs who merely used land to live o n and those that sold land on to others. Surely , there cannot be a any difference between those that use stolen land such as an orchard to earn an income and those that sell a piece of stolen land to raise capital. Is it not haram in both instances? Your definition of haram makes all the people of the TRNc guilty. Your definition of temporary is laughable . A period of 38 years is not temporary.
My views are certainly different to yours. Your logic is corrupted .There are , as I have said , many TCs living abroad who are bitter about the loss of their land in the South and are blaming the TRNc authorities for not providing them ,as compensation GC ,land .Some of these people have virtually converted to the other side . They can normally be identified by their very pro Gc one-sided comments .

[bilako22]

ok ok it is 34 years

[Kikapu]

Kikapu, i admire you as an individua and a personl more and more...
please, will you take the time to read my Manifesto and to leave a comment.

...sooner than later it would be nice for those who not unlike you gather in the solution proposal section.

I believe that this proposal is a strong basis for a Solution which can provide a strong Unitary State which defends the Rights of its citizens as Individuals, and a society which demonstrates this tolerance and conviction to the betterment of Human Rights, by giving a definition to Bicommunal, and by defining "zone" by territorial jusidiction, rather than two parts, by providing to its Constituents through their self representation as Persons the ability to promote their identities in Goodwill to the minorities which live amongst them.

I will read your manifesto and get back to you soon repulsewarrior.

[Kikapu]

Admirable my dear brother . You have contributed so much to the Cypriot people , both G/Cs and T/Cs , it is people such as you , Bir and many many more that I know so well that make me so proud of the Cypriot race , that is why I challenge and always will those that saw the seeds of mistrust aggression and hatred . I wish I was religious then I could say something like God Bless you , but I will just say , You have my utmost respect and thank you for being a Cypriot above all else .

Miltiades,

The truth needs to be told when questions are asked by those who are either trying to justify their corrupt actions by trying to cloud the issues by putting labels on those on how they see things, or they are completely ignorant about the reality, in which case, they get to see the issues from another point of view, assuming of course that they are able to keep an open mind, because with some their minds are completely full and no matter how much more information you give them, it is just wasted.

Just like you I'm not a religious man, but if you said to me "God Bless you", then I will take it and thank you for it.!!

Why not.!!

[Get Real!]

Just like you I'm not a religious man, but if you said to me "God Bless you", then I will take it and thank you for it.!!

As an alternative for Atheists, may I suggest the expression… “May unkie GR bless you!” ?

[Viewpoint]

bilako22

Just as I suspected Professor .You are certainly not using my logic , and your definition of Haram does not fit what has happened in the TRNC.It is impossible to separate the TCs who merely used land to live o n and those that sold land on to others. Surely , there cannot be a any difference between those that use stolen land such as an orchard to earn an income and those that sell a piece of stolen land to raise capital. Is it not haram in both instances? Your definition of haram makes all the people of the TRNc guilty. Your definition of temporary is laughable . A period of 38 years is not temporary.
My views are certainly different to yours. Your logic is corrupted .There are , as I have said , many TCs living abroad who are bitter about the loss of their land in the South and are blaming the TRNc authorities for not providing them ,as compensation GC ,land .Some of these people have virtually converted to the other side . They can normally be identified by their very pro Gc one-sided comments .

You have hit the nail on the head, judge and jury attitudes reveal biased and one sided vision, obviously some traitors will have switched sides because they did not get what they want, or are known traitors selling their services who can never enter the TRNC otherwise they will arrested for their past actions.

[Get Real!]

bilako22

Just as I suspected Professor .You are certainly not using my logic , and your definition of Haram does not fit what has happened in the TRNC.It is impossible to separate the TCs who merely used land to live o n and those that sold land on to others. Surely , there cannot be a any difference between those that use stolen land such as an orchard to earn an income and those that sell a piece of stolen land to raise capital. Is it not haram in both instances? Your definition of haram makes all the people of the TRNc guilty. Your definition of temporary is laughable . A period of 38 years is not temporary.
My views are certainly different to yours. Your logic is corrupted .There are , as I have said , many TCs living abroad who are bitter about the loss of their land in the South and are blaming the TRNc authorities for not providing them ,as compensation GC ,land .Some of these people have virtually converted to the other side . They can normally be identified by their very pro Gc one-sided comments .

You have hit the nail on the head, judge and jury attitudes reveal biased and one sided vision, obviously some traitors will have switched sides because they did not get what they want, or are known traitors selling their services who can never enter the TRNC otherwise they will arrested for their past actions.

The definition of "Treason"...

Violation of allegiance toward one's country or sovereign, especially the betrayal of one's country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies.