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[Simon]

I'm more Cypriot than your sorry Turkish arse will ever be you twat! You bunch of wasters have even called a part of Cyprus TURKISH, so you bunch of pricks can't say shit about what it is to be Cypriot!

So you can go and masturbate over the Turkish Army along with the other 265 odd thousand backward Mongolians in the North!!!

[shahmaran]

LOL!

Whatever you say Simon, I dont need approval about my national identity from no one, specially not from some half bred foreign bastard

I am from exactly where I have lived all my life just like everyone in my family and there is nothing you can do about it you dickless scumbag

[bilako22]

Kikapu, we only recently became EU citizens, I know people very closely who were simply born in the UK from TC's parents who immigrated there and became a full citizen almost 30 years ago. Since that's what many TC's did back then as you know.

I have no problem with Cypriot Citizens being cared for first but its the definition of Cypriotness that doesn't seem to be too clear at the moment.

Virtually every TC living in the UK who came here before Cyprus joined the EU has UK citizenship.

[Simon]

Shah you are nothing but a toothless retard. It amazes me how you think you know so much about me. Half-bred? You don't know jack shit you Turkish inbred!

You say you don't need approval about your national identity from anyone, what makes you think I need approval from you, you confused Ottoman remnant!

You are living in a racist illegal TURKISH state on Cypriot soil dog shit for brains, and you try to tell me what is CYPRIOT!!! One day your smelly Turkish arse will get chased all the way back to Mongolia where it came from!!

[repulsewarrior]

No VP! The new structure, if it will ever be founded, will only be based on the existing structure which is formed on the basis of the two communities, and not on any two states with separate ethnic ownership and identities! It will only be an evolution of the legal entity called the RoC! The two states will simply be administrative divisions with their own sub-governments, always under the roof of the RoC! Read the UN resolutions, to see where you are standing! The UN resolutions speak about the political equality of the two communities, and they are conducted by the leaders of the two communities of one single country, as such; and not by the leaders of any two separate states that belong to any two separate ethnic people! Learn your facts, and stop wasting yours and our time!

There is no GC hand that has the nerve to possibly sign the eradication of the Greek Cypriots' cultural heritage, existential rights and historical consciousness from any part of our 4,000 years old and long homeland, which is the whole of Cyprus! Stop asking for the illegitimate and the impossible! We have made our compromises to you already, and you know who they are! There is no chance we can go further than that, and all that is left is for your side to give up its irredentist illegitimate claims and those of Turkey, and do your own compromises, if you want to survive as a community on this planet! The alternative is for you to go down the drain of the Turkish neo-ottoman megalomaniac fantasies!

You are stuck in the rut of the"RoC" and have not taken into account the UN comprehensive solution called the AP which any future solution will contain elements of, so you are wasting not only our time but the time of the UN who are the only body who will work towards a solution. They have experience of GC intrangience from only a few years ago and will not fall into the same trap twice, they found themselves in when the GCs rejected the last attempt at resolvuing this long outstanding problem which you have now placed as a hot patato on the lap of the EU.

You still have not come to terms with the fact that there will be 2 states the north and south run by TCs in the north and GCs in the south, otherwise no deal. You yourself have put forward what the Federal structure will be when it comes to running the country at the federal level but at local level people will have to decide which administration they wish to reside under. I am well aware this makes you stick to your stomache but its something you have to come to terms with becuase just as you wish to impose your GC rule on TCs you will have to concede to accepting that TCs will also have the right to run their own part of the country.

UN resolutions can be superceded by new ones so putting forward outdated resolutions that have been ignored or have had or will not have any impact are of no use to anyone as no one has bothered to impose them.

VP, the “UN comprehensive solution called the Anan Plan,” was not a UN comprehensive solution proposal, but a Kofi Anan "solution" proposal instead, that is why it did not bear the name “UN plan,” but the “Anan plan” name instead! The Anan plan "solution" proposal, by the words of the plan's author, as they were stipulated in the very plan itself, "should it be rejected by any one of the two sides, becomes invalid and does not constitute a legal or political precedent!" Just go back to it and read it once more! Therefore, reference to the (whatever) provisions of this Anan "solution" proposal (A-plan,) are meaningless by default! On the other hand, the UN resolutions, which give a different perspective than that which was offered by Kofi Anan in its invalidated plan, do remain and do constitute legal and political precedents! Therefore, do get your facts straight on what stands and what counts, and what does not!

As for the intransigence you have talked about, the only one that has been experienced by the international community, and is been mentioned in the various ADOPTED UN reports as well, is only that of Mr. Denktash and the Turkish side! Such was the experienced intransigence from the above two, over the years, that the end result was for the EU accession to be offered to the RoC in the plate, just like a piece of cake is offered! When you choose to speak about intransigence, know in what waters you are trying to swim, for “in the hanged man’s home, it is not very polite to be making statements referring to a rope!”

You are wrong in saying that we did not come to terms with the idea that “there will be 2 states the north and south "run" by TCs in the north and GCs in the south!” We did come to terms with this already, with the only difference that it is you (your side) that cannot come to terms with the idea that these two states will be “run” by the two communities, respectively, only by virtue of majority population presence, and not by virtue ethnically owning them as two separate people owning two separate nation-states or regions! Nor that because you will be “running” one such state by virtue of majority population presence, it will mean that you should also have the right to “run” it in whichever you please or wish, in the expense of the political, cultural and human rights of the members of the other community! The inherent administrative power of each of the two states will not be separately and solely vested on the members of each of the two communities, on an ethnic basis; but will instead derive from the federal (central) RoC government’s constitutional power delegation towards the Cypriot people that will be constituting the permanent residents of each state; irrespective of their ethnic origin! It will so happen that the majority of such Cypriot permanent resident people in each component state will be originating from a different community of the two! The political equality will be that of the two communities, and will be expressed in the federal (central) government of the (new) RoC, which will be the evolution and the continuator of the existing RoC, as it was founded in 1960! Whether you like it or not, there is no alternative way to re-unite the island, and insisting on anything else is tantamount to proposing that we should accept a disguised partition that we will simply brand as “reunification,” in other words a mission impossible since no GC hand will ever consider placing its signature on a paper that will vindicate and legitimize the illegal fait accomplices of the 1974 Turkish invasion and subsequent occupation!

...i like this post.

now read my manifesto.

[observer]

Every country has its own rules for citizenship, and they may be changed from time to time, so any generalization along the lines of “they do that here, so it must be the same there” is instantly suspect. The only rule that seems to be universal s that if both your parents are citizens of a country at the time of your birth, and you are born and registered in that country, then you are a citizen. Thereafter, things get complicated.

In the case of UK, before 1983, birth in UK was sufficient grounds for the child to gain British nationality. From 1 Jan 1983, one parent (and even this is simplified) has to be settled in UK, either through citizenship, having Indefinite Leave to Remain, or being a EU citizen or a citizen of certain other countries. Prior to 2006, if the claim was through the father, the father had to be married to the mother. And there are endless variants on what happens if one or the other parents becomes settled before the child reaches 18.

Applying the UK test, most Turkish immigrants and their children would be entitled to citizenship.

The Cyprus Citizenship Law of 1967 would appear to give GCs a little problem since they have always claimed jurisdiction over the North (until the link weakened when they joined the EU). The relevant portions of the 1967 law read:

6. The Minister, if application therefor is made to him in the prescribed manner by any alien of full age and capacity who satisfies him that he is qualified under the provisions of the Second Schedule for naturalization, may grant to him a certificate of naturalization; and the person to whom the certificate is granted shall, on making the affirmation of faith to the Republic in the form specified in the First Schedule, be a citizen of the Republic by naturalization as from the date on which the certificate is granted:

Provided that the Council of Ministers may, on the recommendation of the Minister in any particular case or class of cases, decide that no certificate of naturalization shall be granted under this section unless the applicant renounces any other citizenship held by him; and in such a case the applicant shall, in such manner as may be prescribed, renounce any other citizenship held by him on being granted a certificate of naturalization under this section.

FIRST SCHEDULE
(section 5(1) and (2) (Section 5 refers to Commonwealth citizens) and Section 6)
AFFIRMATION OF FAITH TO THE REPUBLIC
I, ................................................................................. do affirm faith to the Republic of Cyprus and respect for its laws.

SECOND SCHEDULE
(section 6)
QUALIFICATIONS FOR NATURALIZATION
1. Subject to the provisions of the preceding paragraph, the conditions for naturalization of an alien who applies therefor are
(a) that he has either resided in the Republic or been in the public service of the Republic, or partly the former and partly the latter, throughout the period of twelve months immediately preceding the date of his application; and
(b) that during the seven years immediately preceding the said period of twelve months he has either resided in the Republic or been in the public service of the Republic, or partly the former and partly the latter, for periods amounting in total to not less than four years; and
Provided that the players of group sports, the coaches, sports technicians, domestic workers, nurses, persons working for Cypriot employees or for offshore companies and residing in the Republic exclusively for the purpose of work as well as their spouses, children or other persons dependent on them, must, during the twelve years which immediately precede the twelve-month period mentioned in sub-paragraph (a) above, have a total of residence in the Republic of at least nine years;
(c) that he is of good character; and
(d) that he intends in the event of a certificate being granted to him
(i) to reside in the Republic; or
(ii) to enter into or continue in the service of an international organisation of which the Republic is a member, or in the service of a society, company or body of persons established in the Republic.

I read this as if an alien has lived in Cyprus for 7 years and affirms respect to the Republic and its laws, then he is to be granted Cypriot citizenship though the Council may ask him to renounce his previous citizenship.

I think that Cyprus would be on very weak ground if they refused to grant Citizenship on the grounds that he or she is Turkish – discrimination and very un-EU.


If, on the other hand, they claim to have renounced jurisdiction then TRNC Laws apply, and they would be included as Cypriot citizens in any future settlement as TRNC do not differentiate (legally) between those who became citizens through birth, and those who becme citizens through naturalization.


So I seem to have solved the problem.
By British rules most Turkish immigrants would be Cypriot citizens in the event of a settlement.
By ROC laws most Turkish immigrants who apply would be Cypriot citizens in the event of a settlement.
By TRNC laws most Turkish immigrants would be Cypriot citizens in the event of a settlement.

Sorry to interupt your swearing match.

[humanist]

gee the OIC is against the isolations>......... I wonder if they are also against exclussion of Cypriots from their homes?

[shahmaran]

Every country has its own rules for citizenship, and they may be changed from time to time, so any generalization along the lines of “they do that here, so it must be the same there” is instantly suspect. The only rule that seems to be universal s that if both your parents are citizens of a country at the time of your birth, and you are born and registered in that country, then you are a citizen. Thereafter, things get complicated.

In the case of UK, before 1983, birth in UK was sufficient grounds for the child to gain British nationality. From 1 Jan 1983, one parent (and even this is simplified) has to be settled in UK, either through citizenship, having Indefinite Leave to Remain, or being a EU citizen or a citizen of certain other countries. Prior to 2006, if the claim was through the father, the father had to be married to the mother. And there are endless variants on what happens if one or the other parents becomes settled before the child reaches 18.

Applying the UK test, most Turkish immigrants and their children would be entitled to citizenship.

The Cyprus Citizenship Law of 1967 would appear to give GCs a little problem since they have always claimed jurisdiction over the North (until the link weakened when they joined the EU). The relevant portions of the 1967 law read:

6. The Minister, if application therefor is made to him in the prescribed manner by any alien of full age and capacity who satisfies him that he is qualified under the provisions of the Second Schedule for naturalization, may grant to him a certificate of naturalization; and the person to whom the certificate is granted shall, on making the affirmation of faith to the Republic in the form specified in the First Schedule, be a citizen of the Republic by naturalization as from the date on which the certificate is granted:

Provided that the Council of Ministers may, on the recommendation of the Minister in any particular case or class of cases, decide that no certificate of naturalization shall be granted under this section unless the applicant renounces any other citizenship held by him; and in such a case the applicant shall, in such manner as may be prescribed, renounce any other citizenship held by him on being granted a certificate of naturalization under this section.

FIRST SCHEDULE
(section 5(1) and (2) (Section 5 refers to Commonwealth citizens) and Section 6)
AFFIRMATION OF FAITH TO THE REPUBLIC
I, ................................................................................. do affirm faith to the Republic of Cyprus and respect for its laws.

SECOND SCHEDULE
(section 6)
QUALIFICATIONS FOR NATURALIZATION
1. Subject to the provisions of the preceding paragraph, the conditions for naturalization of an alien who applies therefor are
(a) that he has either resided in the Republic or been in the public service of the Republic, or partly the former and partly the latter, throughout the period of twelve months immediately preceding the date of his application; and
(b) that during the seven years immediately preceding the said period of twelve months he has either resided in the Republic or been in the public service of the Republic, or partly the former and partly the latter, for periods amounting in total to not less than four years; and
Provided that the players of group sports, the coaches, sports technicians, domestic workers, nurses, persons working for Cypriot employees or for offshore companies and residing in the Republic exclusively for the purpose of work as well as their spouses, children or other persons dependent on them, must, during the twelve years which immediately precede the twelve-month period mentioned in sub-paragraph (a) above, have a total of residence in the Republic of at least nine years;
(c) that he is of good character; and
(d) that he intends in the event of a certificate being granted to him
(i) to reside in the Republic; or
(ii) to enter into or continue in the service of an international organisation of which the Republic is a member, or in the service of a society, company or body of persons established in the Republic.

I read this as if an alien has lived in Cyprus for 7 years and affirms respect to the Republic and its laws, then he is to be granted Cypriot citizenship though the Council may ask him to renounce his previous citizenship.

I think that Cyprus would be on very weak ground if they refused to grant Citizenship on the grounds that he or she is Turkish – discrimination and very un-EU.


If, on the other hand, they claim to have renounced jurisdiction then TRNC Laws apply, and they would be included as Cypriot citizens in any future settlement as TRNC do not differentiate (legally) between those who became citizens through birth, and those who becme citizens through naturalization.


So I seem to have solved the problem.
By British rules most Turkish immigrants would be Cypriot citizens in the event of a settlement.
By ROC laws most Turkish immigrants who apply would be Cypriot citizens in the event of a settlement.
By TRNC laws most Turkish immigrants would be Cypriot citizens in the event of a settlement.

Sorry to interupt your swearing match.

Thank you for the wonderful clarification Observer, in other words the 174,000+ is here to stay and we are not a minority in our own country so get used to it people.

It would have been very unfair for the immigrants to be refused citizenship when half bred bastards like Simon get it anyways

[Simon]

Maybe you should apply for citizenship in Mongolia, I am sure they will welcome you home.

[Viewpoint]

Maybe you should apply for citizenship in Mongolia, I am sure they will welcome you home.

What is it with the Mongolian link, do you consider it an insult? Its water off a ducks back as far as we are concerned we embrace our Mongolian heritage as one rich with history and events which have led us to where we are today.