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[Simon]

How much do you think Turkey cares?

Why bring all these people here in the first place? Precisely for you to make such arguments.

They are only here as an attempt by Turkey to permanently change the demographics of the island! And now you are trying to emotionally blackmail us with the heartache of breaking up families! Typical Turks! Can their morals stoop much lower!

[shahmaran]

Right sorry my bad, I should look out for your interests instead, how silly of me

[shahmaran]

Well its not "my method" because the RoC has agreed that these people can stay, yes?

So we are over 170,000 either way.

And the initial point was that we are a minority but it seems like we are far from it.

Basically this is all part of the strategy the RoC is following in order to get the North, any obstacle in its sick path is turned into some crappy illegal excuse one way or another, that's all. You don't really give a shit about the people if they didn't pose a threat against your agenda.

Well fuck you people very much, we would be doomed if anyone falls for your shit.

Shah,

Unless I have misunderstood GR, he is not saying the 45,000 children born to Turks or their parents will not be allowed to stay in Cyprus upon a settlement, but rather the 45,000 will not be given a Cypriot citizenship automatically. I'm sure the same system is the same in the RoC, where the children of immigrants or guest workers born there are not given Cypriot citizenship's either.

They will more than likely be registered as residents of Cyprus and after certain period, lets just say 5 years of waiting and over 18, they can apply for citizenship as the case is in some countries, like the USA. Their parent from Turkey may not be able to become citizens however, but full Cypriot residents instead. This way, maximum number of Cyprus soil born children to one or two parents from Turkey can be accommodated rather than give preferences to those who has been there the longest who do not have any children born on Cyprus soil. I would go as far as registering all the Turks, even the ones who will need to be returned back to Turkey and put them on a waiting list, that in the future, if further manpower is needed, they can apply for full residency, depending on the economic conditions of the country. They can also become "seasonal workers". The point is, unlike the USA, where illegal immigrants, tourist, legal seasonal workers and any Tom, Dick and Harry who gives birth in the USA, automatically becomes an American citizen and can become the President of the USA in the future.

If you are born in the UK you are a British Citizen, why not here?

[Kifeas]

If you are born in Cyprus you are a Cypriot yes? OK.

Who says so Shah? Where did you find such a law? Which country?

In your idea, had Turkey illegally allowed or brought in occupied Cyprus 2 million settlers from Turkey, and then they gave birth to 1 million children during the past 34 years, all this 1 million should be given Cypriot citizenship! Very clever indeed!!!

[Kikapu]

Well its not "my method" because the RoC has agreed that these people can stay, yes?

So we are over 170,000 either way.

And the initial point was that we are a minority but it seems like we are far from it.

Basically this is all part of the strategy the RoC is following in order to get the North, any obstacle in its sick path is turned into some crappy illegal excuse one way or another, that's all. You don't really give a shit about the people if they didn't pose a threat against your agenda.

Well fuck you people very much, we would be doomed if anyone falls for your shit.

Shah,

Unless I have misunderstood GR, he is not saying the 45,000 children born to Turks or their parents will not be allowed to stay in Cyprus upon a settlement, but rather the 45,000 will not be given a Cypriot citizenship automatically. I'm sure the same system is the same in the RoC, where the children of immigrants or guest workers born there are not given Cypriot citizenship's either.

They will more than likely be registered as residents of Cyprus and after certain period, lets just say 5 years of waiting and over 18, they can apply for citizenship as the case is in some countries, like the USA. Their parent from Turkey may not be able to become citizens however, but full Cypriot residents instead. This way, maximum number of Cyprus soil born children to one or two parents from Turkey can be accommodated rather than give preferences to those who has been there the longest who do not have any children born on Cyprus soil. I would go as far as registering all the Turks, even the ones who will need to be returned back to Turkey and put them on a waiting list, that in the future, if further manpower is needed, they can apply for full residency, depending on the economic conditions of the country. They can also become "seasonal workers". The point is, unlike the USA, where illegal immigrants, tourist, legal seasonal workers and any Tom, Dick and Harry who gives birth in the USA, automatically becomes an American citizen and can become the President of the USA in the future.

If you are born in the UK you are a British Citizen, why not here?

Is that the case for non British and non EU members parents also Shah. ??

In Switzerland, a child born to non citizen, does not become citizen automatically. The child will need to apply later in life, but they have full residency permit. In fact, we knew a girl who was born in Switzerland and left the country for 6 years in her adult life, and when she returned, they would not let her stay, because her residency had also expired in the meantime, which needed to be renewed every 5 years or so, depending which kind it is, so the fact that she was born in Switzerland did not give her any special rights at all. She finally got married to a Swiss citizen to be able to stay.

Of course, it also depends just how many Turks with their children would want to stay in Cyprus, once they are required to give up the free housing they have had for a long time. If money becomes tight for these people, they will just chose to return back to Turkey on their own, specially if some compensation will be given to them. I personally think it is going to be tough for many Turks who's income will not be able to support their families if they need to pay for lodging that was not a issue before. I'm not saying this is the case for all the Turks, but quiet a few. So in the end, with Cyprus soil born children or not, there will be many returning back to Turkey on economic reasons alone, let alone having to share "their" neighbourhood with their "new" neighbours, the GC's.

[Kifeas]

Shah, read this!

Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War, Adopted on 12 August 1949 by the Diplomatic Conference for the Establishment of International Conventions for the Protection of Victims of War, held in Geneva from 21 April to 12 August, 1949 entry into force 21 October 1950

Article 49
Individual or mass forcible transfers, as well as deportations of protected persons from occupied territory to the territory of the Occupying Power or to that of any other country, occupied or not, are prohibited, regardless of their motive.

Nevertheless, the Occupying Power may undertake total or partial evacuation of a given area if the security of the population or imperative military reasons do demand. Such evacuations may not involve the displacement of protected persons outside the bounds of the occupied territory except when for material reasons it is impossible to avoid such displacement. Persons thus evacuated shall be transferred back to their homes as soon as hostilities in the area in question have ceased.

The Occupying Power undertaking such transfers or evacuations shall ensure, to the greatest practicable extent, that proper accommodation is provided to receive the protected persons, that the removals are effected in satisfactory conditions of hygiene, health, safety and nutrition, and that members of the same family are not separated.

The Protecting Power shall be informed of any transfers and evacuations as soon as they have taken place.

The Occupying Power shall not detain protected persons in an area particularly exposed to the dangers of war unless the security of the population or imperative military reasons so demand.

The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies.

http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/92.htm

[shahmaran]

Well its not "my method" because the RoC has agreed that these people can stay, yes?

So we are over 170,000 either way.

And the initial point was that we are a minority but it seems like we are far from it.

Basically this is all part of the strategy the RoC is following in order to get the North, any obstacle in its sick path is turned into some crappy illegal excuse one way or another, that's all. You don't really give a shit about the people if they didn't pose a threat against your agenda.

Well fuck you people very much, we would be doomed if anyone falls for your shit.

Shah,

Unless I have misunderstood GR, he is not saying the 45,000 children born to Turks or their parents will not be allowed to stay in Cyprus upon a settlement, but rather the 45,000 will not be given a Cypriot citizenship automatically. I'm sure the same system is the same in the RoC, where the children of immigrants or guest workers born there are not given Cypriot citizenship's either.

They will more than likely be registered as residents of Cyprus and after certain period, lets just say 5 years of waiting and over 18, they can apply for citizenship as the case is in some countries, like the USA. Their parent from Turkey may not be able to become citizens however, but full Cypriot residents instead. This way, maximum number of Cyprus soil born children to one or two parents from Turkey can be accommodated rather than give preferences to those who has been there the longest who do not have any children born on Cyprus soil. I would go as far as registering all the Turks, even the ones who will need to be returned back to Turkey and put them on a waiting list, that in the future, if further manpower is needed, they can apply for full residency, depending on the economic conditions of the country. They can also become "seasonal workers". The point is, unlike the USA, where illegal immigrants, tourist, legal seasonal workers and any Tom, Dick and Harry who gives birth in the USA, automatically becomes an American citizen and can become the President of the USA in the future.

If you are born in the UK you are a British Citizen, why not here?

Is that the case for non British and non EU members parents also Shah. ??

Well it is Kikapu, unless of course TC's have a special status in England which is also possible because that's the scenario i know of.

I presume they would move if they cant afford a new house which is fine because they have a choice, but sending them back because their roots trace back to Turkey 35 years ago is absurd.

[halil]

TRNC PRESIDENTIAL SPOKESMAN SAYS GREEK CYPRIOT ISOLATION POLICY CONTINUES DESPITE CHANGE OF POLITICAL LEADERSHIP.
The Presidential Spokesman Hasan Ercakica has said that there has been no change in the Greek Cypriot Administration’s stance towards keeping the Turkish Cypriot people isolated despite the recent change in political leadership.

Speaking to reporters at his weekly press briefing, the Presidential Spokesman said most of the issues on the agenda of the working groups and technical committees had been taken up in the three weeks following the first meeting on the 22nd of April.

Ercakica also reminded that the senior aides of the two leaders, Ozdil Nami and Yorgo Yakvu had earlier announced that the process was generally progressing positively.

He however added that the Turkish Cypriot Side which perceived work carried out by the working groups and technical committees so far as positive was stunned with the views put forward by the Greek Cypriot Side.

Noting that the two senior aides will be holding an evaluation meeting this Thursday, the Presidential Spokesman said that areas where differences have emerged between the two sides should first be taken up at the Nami-Yakovu meeting.

Complaining that the Greek Cypriot Side was continuing its policy of keeping the Turkish Cypriot people isolated from the rest of the world, he said the Greek Cypriot Administration’s latest target was the Lefkosa Turkish Municipality.

“The Greek Cypriot Side has prevented the Lefkosa Turkish Municipality from participating in three different international events this month alone. The latest event the Turkish municipality was prevented from attending was held on the 9th of May in Slovenia” he added.

Pointing out that the Greek Cypriot parliamentary speaker Marious Karoyan had issued negative statements regarding the OIC Secretary General Ihsan Ekmeleddin’s visit to North Cyprus, the Presidential Spokesman said that these statements were proof of the immensity of efforts underway to reinforce the international isolation of the Turkish Cypriot people.

[Kikapu]

Well its not "my method" because the RoC has agreed that these people can stay, yes?

So we are over 170,000 either way.

And the initial point was that we are a minority but it seems like we are far from it.

Basically this is all part of the strategy the RoC is following in order to get the North, any obstacle in its sick path is turned into some crappy illegal excuse one way or another, that's all. You don't really give a shit about the people if they didn't pose a threat against your agenda.

Well fuck you people very much, we would be doomed if anyone falls for your shit.

Shah,

Unless I have misunderstood GR, he is not saying the 45,000 children born to Turks or their parents will not be allowed to stay in Cyprus upon a settlement, but rather the 45,000 will not be given a Cypriot citizenship automatically. I'm sure the same system is the same in the RoC, where the children of immigrants or guest workers born there are not given Cypriot citizenship's either.

They will more than likely be registered as residents of Cyprus and after certain period, lets just say 5 years of waiting and over 18, they can apply for citizenship as the case is in some countries, like the USA. Their parent from Turkey may not be able to become citizens however, but full Cypriot residents instead. This way, maximum number of Cyprus soil born children to one or two parents from Turkey can be accommodated rather than give preferences to those who has been there the longest who do not have any children born on Cyprus soil. I would go as far as registering all the Turks, even the ones who will need to be returned back to Turkey and put them on a waiting list, that in the future, if further manpower is needed, they can apply for full residency, depending on the economic conditions of the country. They can also become "seasonal workers". The point is, unlike the USA, where illegal immigrants, tourist, legal seasonal workers and any Tom, Dick and Harry who gives birth in the USA, automatically becomes an American citizen and can become the President of the USA in the future.

If you are born in the UK you are a British Citizen, why not here?

Is that the case for non British and non EU members parents also Shah. ??

Well it is Kikapu, unless of course TC's have a special status in England which is also possible because that's the scenario i know of.

I presume they would move if they cant afford a new house which is fine because they have a choice, but sending them back because their roots trace back to Turkey 35 years ago is absurd.

TC's are a European citizens, may well be the reason why the child is a British upon birth in the UK, Shah.

But you must agree Shah, that Cypriot citizens will need to be cared for first before others, including the Cypriots who are living abroad. They may wish to return and start their lives all over again.

Lets just say all the GC's properties are returned back to the GC's in the north, and even though I do not believe too many GC's will move to the north, they will be within their right to charge rent for their property and land at the market rate, which may be way too expensive for the average worker. Rent and food consumes most families income in most countries, and Cyprus may be as expensive as most countries in Europe but with much lower income rate (north specially) than others in Europe.

[shahmaran]

Kikapu, we only recently became EU citizens, I know people very closely who were simply born in the UK from TC's parents who immigrated there and became a full citizen almost 30 years ago. Since that's what many TC's did back then as you know.

I have no problem with Cypriot Citizens being cared for first but its the definition of Cypriotness that doesn't seem to be too clear at the moment.