Kifeas wrote:Viewpoint wrote:Kifeas wrote:
No VP! The new structure, if it will ever be founded, will only be based on the existing structure which is formed on the basis of the two communities, and not on any two states with separate ethnic ownership and identities! It will only be an evolution of the legal entity called the RoC! The two states will simply be administrative divisions with their own sub-governments, always under the roof of the RoC! Read the UN resolutions, to see where you are standing! The UN resolutions speak about the political equality of the two communities, and they are conducted by the leaders of the two communities of one single country, as such; and not by the leaders of any two separate states that belong to any two separate ethnic people! Learn your facts, and stop wasting yours and our time!
There is no GC hand that has the nerve to possibly sign the eradication of the Greek Cypriots' cultural heritage, existential rights and historical consciousness from any part of our 4,000 years old and long homeland, which is the whole of Cyprus! Stop asking for the illegitimate and the impossible! We have made our compromises to you already, and you know who they are! There is no chance we can go further than that, and all that is left is for your side to give up its irredentist illegitimate claims and those of Turkey, and do your own compromises, if you want to survive as a community on this planet! The alternative is for you to go down the drain of the Turkish neo-ottoman megalomaniac fantasies!
You are stuck in the rut of the"RoC" and have not taken into account the UN comprehensive solution called the AP which any future solution will contain elements of, so you are wasting not only our time but the time of the UN who are the only body who will work towards a solution. They have experience of GC intrangience from only a few years ago and will not fall into the same trap twice, they found themselves in when the GCs rejected the last attempt at resolvuing this long outstanding problem which you have now placed as a hot patato on the lap of the EU.
You still have not come to terms with the fact that there will be 2 states the north and south run by TCs in the north and GCs in the south, otherwise no deal. You yourself have put forward what the Federal structure will be when it comes to running the country at the federal level but at local level people will have to decide which administration they wish to reside under. I am well aware this makes you stick to your stomache but its something you have to come to terms with becuase just as you wish to impose your GC rule on TCs you will have to concede to accepting that TCs will also have the right to run their own part of the country.
UN resolutions can be superceded by new ones so putting forward outdated resolutions that have been ignored or have had or will not have any impact are of no use to anyone as no one has bothered to impose them.
VP, the “UN comprehensive solution called the Anan Plan,” was not a UN comprehensive solution proposal, but a Kofi Anan "solution" proposal instead, that is why it did not bear the name “UN plan,” but the “Anan plan” name instead! The Anan plan "solution" proposal, by the words of the plan's author, as they were stipulated in the very plan itself, "should it be rejected by any one of the two sides, becomes invalid and does not constitute a legal or political precedent!" Just go back to it and read it once more! Therefore, reference to the (whatever) provisions of this Anan "solution" proposal (A-plan,) are meaningless by default! On the other hand, the UN resolutions, which give a different perspective than that which was offered by Kofi Anan in its invalidated plan, do remain and do constitute legal and political precedents! Therefore, do get your facts straight on what stands and what counts, and what does not!
As for the intransigence you have talked about, the only one that has been experienced by the international community, and is been mentioned in the various ADOPTED UN reports as well, is only that of Mr. Denktash and the Turkish side! Such was the experienced intransigence from the above two, over the years, that the end result was for the EU accession to be offered to the RoC in the plate, just like a piece of cake is offered! When you choose to speak about intransigence, know in what waters you are trying to swim, for “in the hanged man’s home, it is not very polite to be making statements referring to a rope!”
You are wrong in saying that we did not come to terms with the idea that “there will be 2 states the north and south "run" by TCs in the north and GCs in the south!” We did come to terms with this already, with the only difference that it is you (your side) that cannot come to terms with the idea that these two states will be “run” by the two communities, respectively, only by virtue of majority population presence, and not by virtue ethnically owning them as two separate people owning two separate nation-states or regions! Nor that because you will be “running” one such state by virtue of majority population presence, it will mean that you should also have the right to “run” it in whichever you please or wish, in the expense of the political, cultural and human rights of the members of the other community! The inherent administrative power of each of the two states will not vested on the members of each of the two communities on an ethnic basis, but will instead derive from the (new) central federal RoC government’s constitutional power delegation towards the Cypriot people that will constituting the permanent residents of each state, irrespective of their ethnic origin! It will so happen that the majority of such Cypriot permanent resident people in each component state will be originating from a different community of the two! The political equality will be that of the two communities, and will be expressed in the federal (central) government of the (new) RoC, which will be the evolution and the continuator of the existing RoC, as it was founded in 1960! Whether you like it or not, there is no alternative way to re-unite the island, and insisting on anything else is tantamount to proposing that we should accept a disguised partition that we will simply brand as “reunification,” in other words a mission impossible since no GC hand will ever consider placing its signature on a paper that will vindicate and legitimize the illegal fait accomplices of the 1974 Turkish invasion and subsequent occupation!
Then you now must understand why there will never be a solution to the Cyprus problem as what you are saying is either its our way or the highway and then when we choose the highway you complain about us being intrangient.
Lets try and take your points one at a time,
VP, the “UN comprehensive solution called the Anan Plan,” was not a UN comprehensive solution proposal, but a Kofi Anan "solution" proposal instead, that is why it did not bear the name “UN plan,” but the “Anan plan” name instead! The Anan plan "solution" proposal, by the words of the plan's author, as they were stipulated in the very plan itself, "should it be rejected by any one of the two sides, becomes invalid and does not constitute a legal or political precedent!" Just go back to it and read it once more! Therefore, reference to the (whatever) provisions of this Anan "solution" proposal (A-plan,) are meaningless by default! On the other hand, the UN resolutions, which give a different perspective than that which was offered by Kofi Anan in its invalidated plan, do remain and do constitute legal and political precedents! Therefore, do get your facts straight on what stands and what counts, and what does not!
The above comments are very comical when you consider that Annan was not working freelance he was SG of the UN for gods sake his team worked hard and long on finding a solution taking into account the realities on the ground and concerns fo both communities. The fact that the outcome was not what you demanded was why you rejected it, this does not mean that the UN who are again at the helm and not the EU will imo use the AP as a basis for any future plans to resolve our complicated and dated problems.
As for the intransigence you have talked about, the only one that has been experienced by the international community, and is been mentioned in the various ADOPTED UN reports as well, is only that of Mr. Denktash and the Turkish side! Such was the experienced intransigence from the above two, over the years, that the end result was for the EU accession to be offered to the RoC in the plate, just like a piece of cake is offered! When you choose to speak about intransigence, know in what waters you are trying to swim, for “in the hanged man’s home, it is not very polite to be making statements referring to a rope!”
The joke is on you give enough rope to a GC and he will hang himself as you have seen from recent polls on this forum GCs still think they can whip Turkeys arse in a war and are determined to use this route to solve the Cyprus problem.
Denktash has been a convenient escape goat for GCs for years once he was pushed to one side the real intrangient side appeared, 5 years and counting.
You are wrong in saying that we did not come to terms with the idea that “there will be 2 states the north and south "run" by TCs in the north and GCs in the south!” We did come to terms with this already, with the only difference that it is you (your side) that cannot come to terms with the idea that these two states will be “run” by the two communities, respectively, only by virtue of majority population presence, and not by virtue ethnically owning them as two separate people owning two separate nation-states or regions! Nor that because you will be “running” one such state by virtue of majority population presence, it will mean that you should also have the right to “run” it in whichever you please or wish, in the expense of the political, cultural and human rights of the members of the other community! The inherent administrative power of each of the two states will not vested on the members of each of the two communities on an ethnic basis, but will instead derive from the (new) central federal RoC government’s constitutional power delegation towards the Cypriot people that will constituting the permanent residents of each state, irrespective of their ethnic origin! It will so happen that the majority of such Cypriot permanent resident people in each component state will be originating from a different community of the two! The political equality will be that of the two communities, and will be expressed in the federal (central) government of the (new) RoC, which will be the evolution and the continuator of the existing RoC, as it was founded in 1960! Whether you like it or not, there is no alternative way to re-unite the island, and insisting on anything else is tantamount to proposing that we should accept a disguised partition that we will simply brand as “reunification,” in other words a mission impossible since no GC hand will ever consider placing its signature on a paper that will vindicate and legitimize the illegal fait accomplices of the 1974 Turkish invasion and subsequent occupation!
Why are you against the TCs running the north and the GCs running the south? are your concerns related to TCs owning the north? or being allowed the opportunity to break away sometime in the future if things shoudl go wrong? We understand that the federal laws will be above those of the 2 states and the veto on predetermined sensative issues is a comforter but i am having problems understanding why you are so against the idea that TCs should always run the north and the GCs the south.
