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[halil]

isolations can solve some how .... at table or with out table .

we will not forget . we will increase our pressure on to international communities .... we will say at every platforms and we are saying for it .... it will not surprised if we start demonstrations in the streets like we have done before the annan plan times.
we must warn the international actors .
we must start again in İnönü Square . with 80-100 thousands in the streets .

[bilako22]

The international isolation imposed on the Turkish Cypriots in the "TRNC" by Turkey is indeed unfortunate, but of course there's nothing stopping the Turkish Cypriots from moving to the free south.

They would rather be isolated in the TRNC rhan mix with greeks in the South.

[Viewpoint]

The international isolation imposed on the Turkish Cypriots in the "TRNC" by Turkey is indeed unfortunate, but of course there's nothing stopping the Turkish Cypriots from moving to the free south.

Get Real, the international isolation imposed by Turkey, is not just only against the TCs -whom Turkey has taken as their hostages towards their megalomaniac irredentism and expansionism, but it is also against even more GCs than themselves; those 200 K ones that they (Turkey) have ethnically cleansed from he north and had usurped all their homes, properties and economic viability, in order to bring, house and feed their own people from Turkey! Turkey is doing a double crime of isolation in the north, both against the TC and the GC communities!

Halil, I have never heard you complaining about the fact of my and another 200k GCs' losses and isolation from all of our properties, finances and homes in Lapithos, Kyrenia and the rest of the occupied north! All I hear from you is to complain about your isolation! Hypocrite!!! You are such a miserable hypocrite and a chameleon!!! Such a miserable opportunist!!!

You are right and the majority of TCs acknowledge your loss, stating that you have to be compensated either by return of property where possible and financial compensation to those who cannot physically get their property back plus those who do not wish to live in the north state under TC administration. What do you think about what GCs should do about our isolation?

VP, it is about time you stop hallucinating! There is no lawful TC administration anywhere in Cyprus! All there is is an illegal Turkish occupation of part of RoC's territory! Wake up to the international realities, as they are stipulated in the UN Charter, the UN resolutions, the ECHR decisions and the EU treaty of Cyprus accession and the EU aqui! Stop using sophistries, for our patience is running low and soon we will fuck Turkey's EU accession dreams! Then you will see in which kind of chaos mama Turka will find itself, when over 70% of the Turkish population will realize that they have no way out of the Kemalist tyranny, and your community will also be a victim of this chaos that will befall on Turkey! I said to you many times that "damaged people are dangerous, for they know they can survive," since they have already survived numerous damages in their past long history! We are not just anybody on this planet! We are a people with 4,000 years of well written and documented history on this rock in the sea that is called Cyprus, and we have survived, swallowed and digested many occupiers and hardships! Learn with whom you are dealing with!

Empty threats Kifeas, don't get fucked when try to fuck like last time Kifeas, you have again not understood what I have written and that is that GCs who wish to return to the north can claim their properties will have to live under Tc administration under a solution whereby a BBF will be the structure under which both states will form one country.

No VP! The new structure, if it will ever be founded, will only be based on the existing structure which is formed on the basis of the two communities, and not on any two states with separate ethnic ownership and identities! It will only be an evolution of the legal entity called the RoC! The two states will simply be administrative divisions with their own sub-governments, always under the roof of the RoC! Read the UN resolutions, to see where you are standing! The UN resolutions speak about the political equality of the two communities, and they are conducted by the leaders of the two communities of one single country, as such; and not by the leaders of any two separate states that belong to any two separate ethnic people! Learn your facts, and stop wasting yours and our time!

There is no GC hand that has the nerve to possibly sign the eradication of the Greek Cypriots' cultural heritage, existential rights and historical consciousness from any part of our 4,000 years old and long homeland, which is the whole of Cyprus! Stop asking for the illegitimate and the impossible! We have made our compromises to you already, and you know who they are! There is no chance we can go further than that, and all that is left is for your side to give up its irredentist illegitimate claims and those of Turkey, and do your own compromises, if you want to survive as a community on this planet! The alternative is for you to go down the drain of the Turkish neo-ottoman megalomaniac fantasies!

You are stuck in the rut of the"RoC" and have not taken into account the UN comprehensive solution called the AP which any future solution will contain elements of, so you are wasting not only our time but the time of the UN who are the only body who will work towards a solution. They have experience of GC intrangience from only a few years ago and will not fall into the same trap twice, they found themselves in when the GCs rejected the last attempt at resolvuing this long outstanding problem which you have now placed as a hot patato on the lap of the EU.

You still have not come to terms with the fact that there will be 2 states the north and south run by TCs in the north and GCs in the south, otherwise no deal. You yourself have put forward what the Federal structure will be when it comes to running the country at the federal level but at local level people will have to decide which administration they wish to reside under. I am well aware this makes you stick to your stomache but its something you have to come to terms with becuase just as you wish to impose your GC rule on TCs you will have to concede to accepting that TCs will also have the right to run their own part of the country.

UN resolutions can be superceded by new ones so putting forward outdated resolutions that have been ignored or have had or will not have any impact are of no use to anyone as no one has bothered to impose them.

[Viewpoint]

The international isolation imposed on the Turkish Cypriots in the "TRNC" by Turkey is indeed unfortunate, but of course there's nothing stopping the Turkish Cypriots from moving to the free south.

They would rather be isolated in the TRNC rhan mix with greeks in the South.

GCs have still not worked out that TCs will never live in a GC state run by GCs they would prefer 10 times a worse TRNC than move south, they can make as many excuses as they wish but the bottom line is TCs will not capitulate to GCs who want to reduce them to minority status in a GC state run by GCs like the "RoC".

[Rebel.Without.A.Pause]

lol Your already a minority in the north thanks to your saviours Turkey. They've done what you accused the Greeks of trying to do. In otherwords, Cyprus is about the Cypriots trying to get the Turks out now. Turkish Cypriots are like a third party now.

[Viewpoint]

lol Your already a minority in the north thanks to your saviours Turkey. They've done what you accused the Greeks of trying to do. In otherwords, Cyprus is about the Cypriots trying to get the Turks out now. Turkish Cypriots are like a third party now.

We do not consider ourselves a minority as everyone in the TRNC is part of our country, Turkish Cypriot citizens, this is something we never had with GCs.

[Get Real!]

The international isolation imposed on the Turkish Cypriots in the "TRNC" by Turkey is indeed unfortunate, but of course there's nothing stopping the Turkish Cypriots from moving to the free south.

They would rather be isolated in the TRNC rhan mix with greeks in the South.

It’s their brain cells that are isolated from their craniums, for who in the right mind would want anything to do with miserable Turkey?

[Rebel.Without.A.Pause]

We do not consider ourselves a minority as everyone in the TRNC is part of our country, Turkish Cypriot citizens, this is something we never had with GCs.

I think there are a large amount of Turkish Cypriots who wouldnt agree.

[Kifeas]

No VP! The new structure, if it will ever be founded, will only be based on the existing structure which is formed on the basis of the two communities, and not on any two states with separate ethnic ownership and identities! It will only be an evolution of the legal entity called the RoC! The two states will simply be administrative divisions with their own sub-governments, always under the roof of the RoC! Read the UN resolutions, to see where you are standing! The UN resolutions speak about the political equality of the two communities, and they are conducted by the leaders of the two communities of one single country, as such; and not by the leaders of any two separate states that belong to any two separate ethnic people! Learn your facts, and stop wasting yours and our time!

There is no GC hand that has the nerve to possibly sign the eradication of the Greek Cypriots' cultural heritage, existential rights and historical consciousness from any part of our 4,000 years old and long homeland, which is the whole of Cyprus! Stop asking for the illegitimate and the impossible! We have made our compromises to you already, and you know who they are! There is no chance we can go further than that, and all that is left is for your side to give up its irredentist illegitimate claims and those of Turkey, and do your own compromises, if you want to survive as a community on this planet! The alternative is for you to go down the drain of the Turkish neo-ottoman megalomaniac fantasies!

You are stuck in the rut of the"RoC" and have not taken into account the UN comprehensive solution called the AP which any future solution will contain elements of, so you are wasting not only our time but the time of the UN who are the only body who will work towards a solution. They have experience of GC intrangience from only a few years ago and will not fall into the same trap twice, they found themselves in when the GCs rejected the last attempt at resolvuing this long outstanding problem which you have now placed as a hot patato on the lap of the EU.

You still have not come to terms with the fact that there will be 2 states the north and south run by TCs in the north and GCs in the south, otherwise no deal. You yourself have put forward what the Federal structure will be when it comes to running the country at the federal level but at local level people will have to decide which administration they wish to reside under. I am well aware this makes you stick to your stomache but its something you have to come to terms with becuase just as you wish to impose your GC rule on TCs you will have to concede to accepting that TCs will also have the right to run their own part of the country.

UN resolutions can be superceded by new ones so putting forward outdated resolutions that have been ignored or have had or will not have any impact are of no use to anyone as no one has bothered to impose them.

VP, the “UN comprehensive solution called the Anan Plan,” was not a UN comprehensive solution proposal, but a Kofi Anan "solution" proposal instead, that is why it did not bear the name “UN plan,” but the “Anan plan” name instead! The Anan plan "solution" proposal, by the words of the plan's author, as they were stipulated in the very plan itself, "should it be rejected by any one of the two sides, becomes invalid and does not constitute a legal or political precedent!" Just go back to it and read it once more! Therefore, reference to the (whatever) provisions of this Anan "solution" proposal (A-plan,) are meaningless by default! On the other hand, the UN resolutions, which give a different perspective than that which was offered by Kofi Anan in its invalidated plan, do remain and do constitute legal and political precedents! Therefore, do get your facts straight on what stands and what counts, and what does not!

As for the intransigence you have talked about, the only one that has been experienced by the international community, and is been mentioned in the various ADOPTED UN reports as well, is only that of Mr. Denktash and the Turkish side! Such was the experienced intransigence from the above two, over the years, that the end result was for the EU accession to be offered to the RoC in the plate, just like a piece of cake is offered! When you choose to speak about intransigence, know in what waters you are trying to swim, for “in the hanged man’s home, it is not very polite to be making statements referring to a rope!”

You are wrong in saying that we did not come to terms with the idea that “there will be 2 states the north and south "run" by TCs in the north and GCs in the south!” We did come to terms with this already, with the only difference that it is you (your side) that cannot come to terms with the idea that these two states will be “run” by the two communities, respectively, only by virtue of majority population presence, and not by virtue ethnically owning them as two separate people owning two separate nation-states or regions! Nor that because you will be “running” one such state by virtue of majority population presence, it will mean that you should also have the right to “run” it in whichever you please or wish, in the expense of the political, cultural and human rights of the members of the other community! The inherent administrative power of each of the two states will not be separately and solely vested on the members of each of the two communities, on an ethnic basis; but will instead derive from the federal (central) RoC government’s constitutional power delegation towards the Cypriot people that will be constituting the permanent residents of each state; irrespective of their ethnic origin! It will so happen that the majority of such Cypriot permanent resident people in each component state will be originating from a different community of the two! The political equality will be that of the two communities, and will be expressed in the federal (central) government of the (new) RoC, which will be the evolution and the continuator of the existing RoC, as it was founded in 1960! Whether you like it or not, there is no alternative way to re-unite the island, and insisting on anything else is tantamount to proposing that we should accept a disguised partition that we will simply brand as “reunification,” in other words a mission impossible since no GC hand will ever consider placing its signature on a paper that will vindicate and legitimize the illegal fait accomplices of the 1974 Turkish invasion and subsequent occupation!

[miltiades]

The international isolation imposed on the Turkish Cypriots in the "TRNC" by Turkey is indeed unfortunate, but of course there's nothing stopping the Turkish Cypriots from moving to the free south.

They would rather be isolated in the TRNC rhan mix with greeks in the South.

GCs have still not worked out that TCs will never live in a GC state run by GCs they would prefer 10 times a worse TRNC than move south, they can make as many excuses as they wish but the bottom line is TCs will not capitulate to GCs who want to reduce them to minority status in a GC state run by GCs like the "RoC".

Speak for the two of you VP , add Eric , Big Al and Pauul that makes 3 of you !! I was never good with maths and yet I'm a qualified accountant !!!