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[halil]

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WARFARE AND THE GLOBE
If history has shown the observer one thing, it is that war is a part of life. Strange as that may sound, documented records report only 300 years of known peace on our planet, leaving the rest to wallow in the path of war. What that statistic tells us is that there has been some source of conflict - be it religious, territorial or otherwise - between two or more parties on our planet for thousands of years. GlobalFirepower (GFP) provides a unique analytical display of information based on sources from all over the globe. Our information is broken down into five major categories shown below. More countries will be added to the site as information becomes available.


GFP Ranking

1 United States
2 Russia
3 China
4 India
5 Germany
6 France
7 Japan
8 Turkey
9 Brazil
10 Great Britain
11 Italy
12 South Korea
13 Indonesia
14 Mexico
15 Canada
16 Iran
17 Egypt
18 North Korea
19 Spain
20 Pakistan
21 Australia
22 Saudi Arabia
23 Thailand
24 Argentina
25 Sweden
26 Israel
27 Greece
28 Taiwan
29 Syria
30 Philippines
31 Poland
32 Ukraine
33 Norway
34 Iraq
35 Libya
36 Venezuela
37 Lebanon
38 Nepal
39 Afghanistan

Nuclear weapons, past and present military experience, training and equipment quality are not taken into account.

AIRCRAFT
(Includes Fixed-Wing and Rotary Systems)

see from below link
http://www.globalfirepower.com/list_aircraft.asp


ARMOR UNITS
(Includes Tracked & Wheeled MBT and APC Units)
see below link
http://www.globalfirepower.com/list_armor.asp

NAVY SHIPS INVENTORY
see below link
http://www.globalfirepower.com/list_ships.asp

MERCHANT MARINES
(Commercial Shipping Power of a Nation)
see below link
http://www.globalfirepower.com/list_merchant.asp
DEFENSIVE MISSILE SYSTEMS
( Heavy Anti-Tank and SAM Systems)
see below link
http://www.globalfirepower.com/list_missile_defense.asp

INFANTRY SUPPORT WEAPONS
( Mortar and Anti-Tank Missile Systems)
see below link
http://www.globalfirepower.com/list_inf ... upport.asp
from below link u can make side -side comparision
http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries_comparison.asp


Notice:Data Up Through 2004


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[BOF]

After constantly hearing about how invincible Turkey is, I am interested in seeing who forumers believe has the best military on a pro rata basis. This is not just about difference in numbers. It is about technology, training, bravery, experience etc etc.

I cannot reconcile bravery with military technology.

Remember the 'Brave' USA navy shelling Beirut from 100's of miles away?

Wrong poll.

Go back to the Korean war, and excluding the USAF, the ground forces were the brave ones. Among the bravest and the most heroic were the (numerically small) contingents from Turkey and Greece. (not from Turkish sources). Nowadays who can tell. How far away are the 'commanders' from the battlefield?

But then again what about the stand of the gloucester regiment in Korea?
Now forever known as the glorious Gloucesters..their bravery in fighting when surrounded should not be forgotten.
Forget Americans as ground forces - they simply rely on firepower and as history has shown everytime they encounter a well armed organised enemy they are in trouble. And forget the USAF. in the first iraq war those bloody cowboys killed more British troops that the enemy did, and tried just as hard in the second...a fact that has never been forgotten in the UK.

BOF

I do not mean to belittle any land forces of the Korean war. Just the two I mention as interested parties.

The British army in the field has proved its worth many a time. As a student of the Battle of Waterloo, I have admiration for the Infantry divisions all across the board. 'Bravery' was mentioned at the beginning of the thread, thats why I get a bit picky with 'warfare' and 'bravery'..

In Turkish the saying goes ' silah icad olundu, mertlik bozuldu'. Trans,'firearms are invented and 'heroism' is vanquished.

Now we are all talking modern technological warfare.

Not arguing with you Denizaksulu you make a perfectly valid point, i was just pointing out a famouse battle from the same war...take away technology and i have great admiration for the Zulu nation and their bravery fighting the British in South Africa.. when i see them dancing these days it still have the hairs stand up on the back of my neck....
BOF

[Simon]

halil, that list in no way indicates who has the best armed forces.

This part of your post says it all:

[quote]Nuclear weapons, past and present military experience, training and equipment quality are not taken into account[/quote]

[Xybadog]

4 votes for the US??? That's generous (very)!!!

Must be 1 vote for starting wars where they really should have kept their noses out, another for being extremely accurate when targeting friendly forces, the third for the ability to entice other countries into the conflict by stating it's for the global good and the last one for being over generous when it comes to giving out medals (they give one for just crossing the atlantic!!!!!). BA only give a bag of peanuts!

[halil]

halil, that list in no way indicates who has the best armed forces.

This part of your post says it all:

Nuclear weapons, past and present military experience, training and equipment quality are not taken into account

follow the links ..... as u are the army expert take your time and read also there is a comprasion link you can put countries side by side and see differences between 2 countries.

list was GFB ranking of the Countries follow the links and find out .Than u can able to judge the armies or countries strenght .
have a go....................

[Xybadog]

halil, that list in no way indicates who has the best armed forces.

This part of your post says it all:

Nuclear weapons, past and present military experience, training and equipment quality are not taken into account

follow the links ..... as u are the army expert take your time and read also there is a comprasion link you can put countries side by side and see differences between 2 countries.

list was GFB ranking of the Countries follow the links and find out .Than u can able to judge the armies or countries strenght .
have a go....................

Halil, the original post stated "technology, training, bravery, experience etc" and your links, as far as I can see, I may be wrong, only include the technology factor. The links don't include bravery, training quality and experience in conflict. As I say, I may be wrong but I can't see it.

[Simon]

halil I have been to that website a long time ago. It is utter crap. Most of it goes by pure numbers alone. For example, the British Armed Forces would wipe the floor with Turkey. And yet if you read that website, you would think it would be the other way around.

[halil]

Simon,
i am no army expert . i didn't make any comment as well . even i didn't vote to any countries .
war is very bad thing .... you never know what will happen ...

i have seen 3 times in my life . İt was always bad .....

people are dying good for nothing . this world is big enough for everybody.

specially in Cyprus we don't need this kind of the arguments , now both sides are trying to find workable solution in Cyprus we must think good things . not increasing tensions between people of the Cyprus at the end we have choice some how we must carry on our lives . we must carry it without fear and trust to each other .

[Simon]

I never said war was good. I wish Turkey had that attitude.

[halil]

I never said war was good. I wish Turkey had that attitude.

things doesn't have only one side . There is a always other sides too .

we must be all careful . in the films there is a always actors .... than film can be screened .
there is always past events and present events .....

we must put altogether the missing parts than we can judge .