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WHOSE VIEWS DO YOU SUPPORT FOR A SOLUTION TO THE CYPRUS PROBLEM: MILTIADES' OR GET REAL'S ?

Poll ended at Sun May 18, 2008 8:19 pm

Miltiades
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Get Real
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Total votes : 36

Postby miltiades » Mon May 12, 2008 8:06 am

Oracle wrote:
miltiades wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
miltiades wrote:The US AND Brittain can rest assured that their human rights record is open for all to see.

Embarrassing assumptions are the curse of the unlearned...

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... 714#295714

Precisely "open for all to see " , the good the bad and the ugly , this is what Western democracy means.


.... and this Miltiades is precisely what Turkey is denying us in our own country, and hence the need for their extrication.

Oracle are you a scientist or a piss artist , you do not have to imply that the removal of the Turkish army from Cyprus is not an issue I have fought for and have considered as imperative in order to reach a solution. If you read any of my posts you have seen that I opposed the AP , one of the reasons was the army.
You post as if your endeavouring to change views that I have never been associated with. I suggest you think before you post.
Let me just in just one sentences state my objectives.
Negotiations to reach an amicable solution that guarantees Cyprus's independence , territorial integrity , human rights for all Cypriots united as one nation .

The above can be achieved through negotiations , you have opted for "reclaiming our lands with bloodshed "
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Postby Oracle » Mon May 12, 2008 8:23 am

miltiades wrote:
Oracle wrote:
miltiades wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
miltiades wrote:The US AND Brittain can rest assured that their human rights record is open for all to see.

Embarrassing assumptions are the curse of the unlearned...

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... 714#295714

Precisely "open for all to see " , the good the bad and the ugly , this is what Western democracy means.


.... and this Miltiades is precisely what Turkey is denying us in our own country, and hence the need for their extrication.

Oracle are you a scientist or a piss artist , you do not have to imply that the removal of the Turkish army from Cyprus is not an issue I have fought for and have considered as imperative in order to reach a solution. If you read any of my posts you have seen that I opposed the AP , one of the reasons was the army.
You post as if your endeavouring to change views that I have never been associated with. I suggest you think before you post.
Let me just in just one sentences state my objectives.
Negotiations to reach an amicable solution that guarantees Cyprus's independence , territorial integrity , human rights for all Cypriots united as one nation .

The above can be achieved through negotiations , you have opted for "reclaiming our lands with bloodshed "


Erroneous assumption, Miltiades!

I voted for GR!, less because I agree with all his views; and more because I disagree with most of yours.

However, I believe it is our right to fight back for our country, and in defense of our country, with all means at our (legal) disposal .... I do not wish it to be by means of war; but this continual conflict we currently face is deeply wounding for the long-term healthy development of our nation.
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Postby miltiades » Mon May 12, 2008 8:30 am

Oracle wrote:
miltiades wrote:
Oracle wrote:
miltiades wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
miltiades wrote:The US AND Brittain can rest assured that their human rights record is open for all to see.

Embarrassing assumptions are the curse of the unlearned...

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... 714#295714

Precisely "open for all to see " , the good the bad and the ugly , this is what Western democracy means.


.... and this Miltiades is precisely what Turkey is denying us in our own country, and hence the need for their extrication.

Oracle are you a scientist or a piss artist , you do not have to imply that the removal of the Turkish army from Cyprus is not an issue I have fought for and have considered as imperative in order to reach a solution. If you read any of my posts you have seen that I opposed the AP , one of the reasons was the army.
You post as if your endeavouring to change views that I have never been associated with. I suggest you think before you post.
Let me just in just one sentences state my objectives.
Negotiations to reach an amicable solution that guarantees Cyprus's independence , territorial integrity , human rights for all Cypriots united as one nation .

The above can be achieved through negotiations , you have opted for "reclaiming our lands with bloodshed "


Erroneous assumption, Miltiades!

I voted for GR!, less because I agree with all his views; and more because I disagree with most of yours.

However, I believe it is our right to fight back for our country, and in defense of our country, with all means at our (legal) disposal .... I do not wish it to be by means of war; but this continual conflict we currently face is deeply wounding for the long-term healthy development of our nation.

So you endorsed what GR posted that the only option we have is war !!
Im not interested whether you agree with all or none of my views , you do not have the mental capacity to see further than your scientific nose !!
My concern is the future generations of Cypriots , will they live in peace with the T/Cs or do you share GRs views that there wont be any , I think you also stated this a few times as an objective of yours.
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Postby Eliko » Mon May 12, 2008 8:33 am

miltiades, I do think you need to consider the opinions of others with a little more flexibility, you have apparently concluded that the issue is a clear cut choice between 'WAR' and 'PEACE' and I think you are misguided in reaching that conclusion.

I am sure Get Real (along with every other member) would prefer a just and peaceful settlement and that is where you seem to be having difficulty in understanding the support Get Real is receiving.

My own views (in the previous poll) were quite clear and brief, there would be little point in adopting your approach to a settlement since, quite frankly, I considered your proposals mere murmurings of what any of us may read in the gutter press, totally ineffective political claptrap.

Get Real, on the other hand, approaches the issue from a position which rallies the support of those who have a less myopic view of the situation in Cyprus, he is not suggesting that we should all march out and declare war on our own people, he is highlighting the option of military action should the negotiating capabilities of those who represent Cyprus should fail.

The ultimate objectives of both you and Get Real are very similar, they are in tandem with the majority of the members I am sure, the difference is that your proposals emanate from your weakness and willingness to follow the failed policies of the gullible, whereas Get Real declares his own opinions, THAT is why paphitis found it so easy to make his choice and the same reasons apply to my own.

In my humble opinion of course. :wink:
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Postby miltiades » Mon May 12, 2008 8:52 am

Eliko wrote:miltiades, I do think you need to consider the opinions of others with a little more flexibility, you have apparently concluded that the issue is a clear cut choice between 'WAR' and 'PEACE' and I think you are misguided in reaching that conclusion.

I am sure Get Real (along with every other member) would prefer a just and peaceful settlement and that is where you seem to be having difficulty in understanding the support Get Real is receiving.

My own views (in the previous poll) were quite clear and brief, there would be little point in adopting your approach to a settlement since, quite frankly, I considered your proposals mere murmurings of what any of us may read in the gutter press, totally ineffective political claptrap.

Get Real, on the other hand, approaches the issue from a position which rallies the support of those who have a less myopic view of the situation in Cyprus, he is not suggesting that we should all march out and declare war on our own people, he is highlighting the option of military action should the negotiating capabilities of those who represent Cyprus should fail.

The ultimate objectives of both you and Get Real are very similar, they are in tandem with the majority of the members I am sure, the difference is that your proposals emanate from your weakness and willingness to follow the failed policies of the gullible, whereas Get Real declares his own opinions, THAT is why paphitis found it so easy to make his choice and the same reasons apply to my own.

In my humble opinion of course. :wink:


May be I misread the following , just as you have done, here it is again , now read it and then tell where war is mentioned as a last resort .
He states clearly that any political arrangement is now history . I read this as meaning there is no chance of a political settlement.
He then states""" it’s become apparent that Cyprus can only be liberated in the same way it was enslaved… through bloodshed! """"
This means to me at least that war is the only option , having already stated that the political options are history.

READ CAREFULLY.
""""""Any illusions of a complex inter-communal political arrangement being implemented in Cyprus is now history, Turkey’s EU make-believe journey is over, and it is now a race to get the upper hand in technology, political influence, and in the overall balance of power because unfortunately it’s become apparent that Cyprus can only be liberated in the same way it was enslaved… through bloodshed! """"

This is what you posted:
"""he is not suggesting that we should all march out and declare war on our own people, he is highlighting the option of military action should the negotiating capabilities of those who represent Cyprus should fail."""

BULLSHIT !! He NEVER SAID WHAT YOU ARE IMPLYING !! All that bloody education and you cant comprehend what he wrote read it again mate>>


"""""Any illusions of a complex inter-communal political arrangement being implemented in Cyprus is now history, """"
The above written by GR means , war is the only option not that war remains an option if all else fails.
By the way why did you vote , it is clearly marked for G/Cs only !!
Therefore if I eliminate your vote and GR's vote he has 11 to my 7 !!
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Postby Oracle » Mon May 12, 2008 9:17 am

miltiades wrote:He then states""" it’s become apparent that Cyprus can only be liberated in the same way it was enslaved… through bloodshed! """"
This means to me at least that war is the only option , having already stated that the political options are history.


There is a subtlety to the term "apparent" .... In the context in which it first appeared it meant "seeming, as opposed to real" ... because then GR! went on to discuss an arms race, which in itself may prevent a war becoming an option. This was the background strategy during the "cold war" years after all and proved most effective.

GR! wrote:Any illusions of a complex inter-communal political arrangement being implemented in Cyprus is now history,

Miltiades wrote:The above written by GR means , war is the only option not that war remains an option if all else fails.


Actually Miltiades I think GR! is talking about inter-communal arrangements not being implemented eg BBF and such like. He is not advocating a jump to war because of that. You are implying something that is not intrinsic in his statement.
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Postby Get Real! » Mon May 12, 2008 10:23 am

miltiades wrote:So you endorsed what GR posted that the only option we have is war !!

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Oh, shut up and take it like a man! :roll:
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Postby Paphitis » Mon May 12, 2008 11:34 am

Eliko wrote:miltiades, I do think you need to consider the opinions of others with a little more flexibility, you have apparently concluded that the issue is a clear cut choice between 'WAR' and 'PEACE' and I think you are misguided in reaching that conclusion.

I am sure Get Real (along with every other member) would prefer a just and peaceful settlement and that is where you seem to be having difficulty in understanding the support Get Real is receiving.

My own views (in the previous poll) were quite clear and brief, there would be little point in adopting your approach to a settlement since, quite frankly, I considered your proposals mere murmurings of what any of us may read in the gutter press, totally ineffective political claptrap.

Get Real, on the other hand, approaches the issue from a position which rallies the support of those who have a less myopic view of the situation in Cyprus, he is not suggesting that we should all march out and declare war on our own people, he is highlighting the option of military action should the negotiating capabilities of those who represent Cyprus should fail.

The ultimate objectives of both you and Get Real are very similar, they are in tandem with the majority of the members I am sure, the difference is that your proposals emanate from your weakness and willingness to follow the failed policies of the gullible, whereas Get Real declares his own opinions, THAT is why paphitis found it so easy to make his choice and the same reasons apply to my own.

In my humble opinion of course. :wink:


Thank you Eliko. You have hit the nail right on the head and have portrayed my thoughts exactly.
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Postby miltiades » Mon May 12, 2008 12:07 pm

Get Real! wrote:
miltiades wrote:So you endorsed what GR posted that the only option we have is war !!

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Oh, shut up and take it like a man! :roll:

Take which like a man , your nonsense !!! Or the fact that 12 voted for your war idea , I have deducted your vote and that of Eliko's since he is not a G/C .
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Postby Get Real! » Mon May 12, 2008 12:17 pm

miltiades wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
miltiades wrote:So you endorsed what GR posted that the only option we have is war !!

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Oh, shut up and take it like a man! :roll:

Take which like a man , your nonsense !!! Or the fact that 12 voted for your war idea , I have deducted your vote and that of Eliko's since he is not a G/C .

As far as I'm concerned you're already the winner so here's your prize...

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