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[iceman]

I dare you all to try !!!!!!!!! Cut the crap and start the action! I'm sick of this cyber war !

what action or war umit?? all they can master is this brain masturbation behind a keyboard..

I'd hate to see the state of GR's PC then!

Napacan yahu deli çok tımarhane yok!

yok yok....bunlar hic erkek esek ile degisik oynamadi

[miltiades]

It would be a war localised to Cyprus. Turkey would not attack mainland Greece and vice versa. The US would not allow it. Both are NATO allies. Anybody who knows anything knows this. Greece could do huge damage to Turkey, and vice versa, hence a full-scale war would not break out between the two.

Therefore it would be us fighting Turkey alone , on Cypriot soil and perhaps deep inside Turkey too !! POPYCOCK !!
Do you think the RoC government supports this action ?

[Simon]

No it wouldn't. A war localised to Cyprus does not mean no involvement from Greece. You people do not understand military tactics!

Do some research into the Vietnam and Korean war. Then come back to me.

I tell you one thing, I certainly would not have wanted you people fighting alongside me when Italy invaded Greece in WWII. Nobody gave Greece a hope then. Italy, a huge country in comparison to tiny, backwards Greece. The Italian economy, huge compared to Greece's. The Italian Armed Forces, far far more advanced than Greece's; and yet, what happened?

Wars are not always predictible.

[miltiades]

No it wouldn't. A war localised to Cyprus does not mean no involvement from Greece. You people do not understand military tactics!

Do some research into the Vietnam and Korean war. Then come back to me.

I tell you one thing, I certainly would not have wanted you people fighting alongside me when Italy invaded Greece in WWII. Nobody gave Greece a hope then. Italy, a huge country in comparison to tiny, backwards Greece. The Italian economy, huge compared to Greece's. The Italian Armed Forces, far far more advanced than Greece's; and yet, what happened?

Wars are not always predictible.

Simon I take it that by " you people " you mean me , may I inform you that you know absolutely nothing about my military , or lack of , experience.
You seem to assume that by defending with my actions the need to concentrate on a political rather than a military solution renders me incapable in understanding military warfare. Could it be that the opposite is the underlying driving force in considering war as a non starter .

[repulsewarrior]

...funny no one has mentioned the Kurds, (and others), within the context of Turkey, at war.

and no one has more to gain from a Sovereign State called Cyprus. Turkey has the most to pay without it. It is in finding this perfection which proves an impasse. and given the Laws of Social Science, this 'cost' only proves its importance to all the interlocutors for a correct Solution to be found. no one wants war, especially Turkey, but if provoked, this advantage will be used without hesitation against all threats.

i will not choose between the Dr. and GR, both are very worthy advocates, to whom I am grateful because they provide to all of us much food for thought. To me, they represent one part, which with a fulcrum that may shift, we seek to find its placement where best presribed; it is the fulcrum that proves dynamics, and its use wisely that does not break what pry(s).

[miltiades]

...funny no one has mentioned the Kurds, (and others), within the context of Turkey, at war.

no one has more to gain from a Sovereign State called Cyprus. and Turkey has the most to pay withut it. It is in finding this perfection which proves an impasse. and given the Laws of Social Science, this 'cost' only proves its importance to all the interlocutors for a correct Solution to be found. no one wants war, especially Turkey, but if provoked, this advantage will be used without hesitation against all threats. i will not choose between the Dr. and GR, both are very worthy advocates, to whom I am grateful because they provide to all of us much food for thought. To me, they represent one part, with a fulcrum that may shift, and where its placement is best presribed; it is the fulcrum that proves dynamics, and its use wisely that does not break what pry(s).

I would have thought that the choice is simple.
A war against Turkey that will not only solve nothing but will cause enormous damage to our people with repercussions that will reverberate for years to come , or continuation of the negotiations and the political war that has so far prevented Turkey from obtaining recognition for the "TRNC " and has also gained membership to the most successful union of nations in the history of the world. A war that can never achieve anything other than bloodshed and tears . Is this so hard to assess , I think not , peace and negotiations will achieve the desired result that is a united Cyprus with all Cypriots having their human rights protected within the EU that will hopefully in the not too distant future will embrace Turkey as a full member . That will be the solution not war.

[Piratis]

Anybody who thinks that Cyprus can win a direct one-on-one war against Turkey is naive. Anyone who thinks that Cyprus can not be liberated because of this, is also naive. Thats not the way things work.

Take for example the once mighty Ottoman empire. For its era the Ottoman empire was much more powerful than what Turkey is today, and the Greeks way less powrful since they didn't even rule a country. Still, the balance of power changed in such a way that the Ottoman empire collapsed and the Greeks succesfully liberated several of their territories.

A more recent example is the USSR nuclear superpower. Countries like Latvia or Estonia etc didn't even have their own armies, and yet they were liberated.

If you look back in history you will see tons of similar examples.

Turkey today is an unstable country torn between Turks and Kurds, between Islamists and Secularists and between pro-EU and anti-EU. I think there is a very real possibility that Turkey will split up in the near future. If we and Greece act correctly at that critical point I believe we would have a good chance of liberating our country.

The TCs here should realize that they are the ones insisting on war, by insisting to keep under their rule Greek Cypriot towns and villages. They should understand that we will not surrender to them Kerynia, Famagusta, Morfou, Rizokarpaso or any other of own villages. Their minority can have a proportional representation and boosted minority rights, and we can even agree that they can have autonomy over villages that they have been traditional TC only or where TCs have been the majority. But demanding to Turkify our towns and villages, and gain lands on our loss is clearly an act of war and they should not expect from us that we will just capitulate and let them have our lands.

[miltiades]

Anybody who thinks that Cyprus can win a direct one-on-one war against Turkey is naive. Anyone who thinks that Cyprus can not be liberated because of this, is also naive. Thats not the way things work.

Take for example the once mighty Ottoman empire. For its era the Ottoman empire was much more powerful than what Turkey is today, and the Greeks way less powrful since they didn't even rule a country. Still, the balance of power changed in such a way that the Ottoman empire collapsed and the Greeks succesfully liberated several of their territories.

A more recent example is the USSR nuclear superpower. Countries like Latvia or Estonia etc didn't even have their own armies, and yet they were liberated.

If you look back in history you will see tons of similar examples.

Turkey today is an unstable country torn between Turks and Kurds, between Islamists and Secularists and between pro-EU and anti-EU. I think there is a very real possibility that Turkey will split up in the near future. If we and Greece act correctly at that critical point I believe we would have a good chance of liberating our country.

The TCs here should realize that they are the ones insisting on war, by insisting to keep under their rule Greek Cypriot towns and villages. They should understand that we will not surrender to them Kerynia, Famagusta, Morfou, Rizokarpaso or any other of own villages. Their minority can have a proportional representation and boosted minority rights, and we can even agree that they can have autonomy over villages that they have been traditional TC only or where TCs have been the majority. But demanding to Turkify our towns and villages, and gain lands on our loss is clearly an act of war and they should not expect from us that we will just capitulate and let them have our lands.

We are a small nation with a large part of our nation under foreign occupation. We , however , must accept that the T/Cs have as much right to Cyprus as we have. I do not subscribe to the minority versus majority issue but being a realist I understand that there more Piratis and Miltiades on this island than there are Birs , Icemans and Halils . Since I see the Birs , the Halils and the Icemans as my equal Cypriot citizens I have no problem in dealing with the irrefutable fact that Cyprus is not Greek and is not Turkish . I'm pleased to note that you consider "naive " the idea of engaging in a war with Turkey , some forum members have misconscrewed my objectives as those of either a coward or as one said a traitor . Preferring negotiations and international political influences as a means of forcing Turkey out of Cyprus and finding a just solution is anything but cowardice.
Our nation is not currently under threat of an invasion by the occupying forces, we must negotiate , we must respect the position of the T/Cs , a minority in what was created by Turkey to be their homeland, unwanted and unrecognised by all apart from what they consider as their protector and guardian , let us show them sincerely that this island is theirs just as its ours , that their future is guaranteed and their safety in a united and democratic Cyprus is paramount .
Let us show them that we care that WE are their protectors , instead of embarking on war mongering talk and bravado .

[miltiades]

It's hard luck on Miltiades that Bananiot is off on holiday. The Poll is open for 7 days, it's a race against time for him to save Miltiades.

Remember Simon , he who laughs last , lasts longer !!

[miltiades]

Good Heavens miltiades, you have surely over-stepped the mark by branding Get Real a 'War Monger' !!.

Is it possible that a man who, like yourself, has expressed such support for the dreadful actions of the US/UK and others, can utter such gibberish without realizing the implications of such a statement ?.

I must confess, I am lost for words.

The US AND Brittain can rest assured that their human rights record is open for all to see.
Actions taken by Brittain and the USA are necessary to protect our cherished freedoms that we have toiled so hard to win. The enemy is hell bent on destroying and depriving us of freedom of speech and from our way of life . We shall not back track to the dark ages , you are welcome to do so but the West will carry on progressing , a sign of progress is the mad rush by those that hate us to enter our Western world .