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[umit07]

Why argue about things that are never gonna happen. The only way GC's would have a chance to beat Turkey in a war is if Greece helped out. Greece assisting the RoC in a war would broaden the entire frontier. I personally don't think the Greek public would support such action.

I am saddened to say that after all this time on the forum I don't think any settlement will ever be reached between TC's and GC's , time only makes things harder.

My message to GC's is whether you like it or not, you will never be able to get all of what you want, many GC's here say they are making a serious compromise by accepting a "BBF" but they never seem to remember that TC's would be making many compromises from the Zurich agreements .

[Get Real!]

You also have to apologise for the filthy language you used against my person and the accusations levied at me , ie traitor and coward .

You are full of shit aren't you . WHERE DID I STATE THAT " our leadership will never consider the defense of our land, you are in fact undermining this deterrence " ARSEHOLE WHERE ??
As for this again WHERE ?
Now mate , fucking read what I say don't come back with your own stupid interpretation of my clearly defined views , which are that the political war
and negotiations are the road towards finding a solution not a fucking war that WILL COST THE LIVES OF THOUSANDS AND ACHIEVE SWEET FA.
You describe me as a coward , Plonker how did you arrive at this because I find the views of Rambo as fucking stupid , supported by even more stupid twats like you, tell YOU WHAT wanker can you copy and post MY VIEWS not your perverted interpretation of where I stand. Let me tell you without even knowing you , but knowing my self , I have more guts on my dick than you in your entire body.
I'm happy that the voices of wisdom and common sense agree with my views to name just a couple , Bir and Kikapu , and dont fucking say its because they are T/Cs , no its because they have a brain !
Plonker let me tell you another thing , do you ever have sex , and if you do does it make a fucking sex maniac , well I drink wine and it does not make me a drunk.

Oops... I did it again!

[denizaksulu]

I hereby request that all Turkish Cypriots who voted in this poll have the HONESTY and COURAGE to say so…

They will'honestly' admit so you can call them 'cheats'. Thats just great.

[miltiades]

You also have to apologise for the filthy language you used against my person and the accusations levied at me , ie traitor and coward .

You are full of shit aren't you . WHERE DID I STATE THAT " our leadership will never consider the defense of our land, you are in fact undermining this deterrence " ARSEHOLE WHERE ??
As for this again WHERE ?
Now mate , fucking read what I say don't come back with your own stupid interpretation of my clearly defined views , which are that the political war
and negotiations are the road towards finding a solution not a fucking war that WILL COST THE LIVES OF THOUSANDS AND ACHIEVE SWEET FA.
You describe me as a coward , Plonker how did you arrive at this because I find the views of Rambo as fucking stupid , supported by even more stupid twats like you, tell YOU WHAT wanker can you copy and post MY VIEWS not your perverted interpretation of where I stand. Let me tell you without even knowing you , but knowing my self , I have more guts on my dick than you in your entire body.
I'm happy that the voices of wisdom and common sense agree with my views to name just a couple , Bir and Kikapu , and dont fucking say its because they are T/Cs , no its because they have a brain !
Plonker let me tell you another thing , do you ever have sex , and if you do does it make a fucking sex maniac , well I drink wine and it does not make me a drunk.

Oops... I did it again!

I have never denied calling anyone fucking stupid , if need be I shall do so again , you however Rambo have used filthy language which I will not bother to post again.
Here is a general synopsis of where we stand:
I stand for one united Cyprus where all Cypriots are equal , where Bir and Kikapu have exactly the same rights that I have. I stand continued political negotiations contacted fairly and within the framework of the UN and the EU . I have never recognised the "TRNC" (every one on this forum is aware of this ) and have referred to Greece and Turkey as the two nations that caused more harm to our island than any other in our history.
I'm a Greek Cypriot but above all a Cypriot , I believe in a peaceful resolution because I'm convinced that not only war would solve absolutely nothing but it will cause immense damage to our island as well as to all combatants, Turkish , Turkish Cypriots , Greeks and Greek Cypriots as well as to all other Cypriots . Following a war , regardless of its duration , peace and seize fire will still have to be put in place. Our economy will suffer beyond our imagination , our people will feel the pain of losing loved ones and the end result could be and would a total disaster for Cyprus.
The RoC , quite sensibly , follows a policy of negotiations , embargoes , lobbying the International community and continually highlighting the plight of the 200 or so thousand displaced Cypriots.
A war against Turkey is not only anathema it is pure lunacy. This does not mean that I approach the matter from a pacifist angle , on the contrary , have never doubted the need of our armed forces to be alert , well trained and well equipped in order to defend any incursions into the RoC free areas from Turkey or from anyone else for that matter. Preparing for defence however is very different to preparing for war against a nation of 70 million with the support of the USA and Brittain.
The suggestion of employing the services of mercenaries is indicative of the pathetic view held by a self regarding rather pompous and rather arrogant individual . He stands for WAR not as a last option but as the ONLY Option , and what do we see , Paphitis in full support calling me a traitor for refusing to take these shit seriously .
May I suggest you wash the shit out of your face , particularly out of your ears and listen to reason . Accusations are cheap , foundations for accusations come a little harder. On this forum I have challenged vigorously the extremists , before you it was Eric the Plonker , naturally you followed . Surely others will come and , having been blessed with the GR treatment !!! I shall be ready .
I SHALL NOT BOTHER TO COPY POST PAST REMOSTRATIONS THAT SHOW WHERE I STAND.

[denizaksulu]

There might be a difference between Greece and Turkey going to war than Tiny Cyprus attacking Turkey.

You can be certain that Cyprus will never attack Turkey. Attempt to liberate its occupied territories maybe, and that will not be consider aggression against Turkey since the whole world recognizes that northern Cyprus is under occupation.

At its worse, at the slightest 'movement on the ground' Turkey will Swat the RoC per-emptively as Israel did to Egypt. Then what?

Turkey is no Israel Deniz, Greece and Cyprus can easily match all the military force they can afford to concentrate in Cyprus

If EU will not act, that will give the wrong signal to all and sundry.

What kind of action can the EU take? It has no military. The best it could do is temporarily "ban" Cyprus, which would be no big deal if it's going to war against Turkey anyway.

All I can hope for that these scenarios are never put to the test.

As for the solution? Its anybody's guess.

[denizaksulu]

A complicated issue...on the other hand it can be translated into a pretty simple equation

Turkey fought a war against a tiny country in turmoil and won. They now negotiate from a position of strengh and include people's towns and properties as one of its negotiating chips.

The tiny island is not in turmoil anymore and GC's are starting to feel that they should stop negotiating due to the uneven winner/loser tilt of the table.(all the chips keep rolling over to turkeys side of the table.)

Its quite clear why ideas such as war which were unheard off before are starting to come out. Turkey has simply negotiated too greedily, leaving the other side with very little improvement to their quality of life should a solution arise (AP is a good example) . This will lead to 2 things...

1) Rise in popularity for more agressive solution
2) Rise in popularity of a permanent partition (which is what turkey wants hence the hard negotiating line)

Don't tell me that 40-50-60,000 etc anatolian settlers are such a big deal for turkey to repatriate them. They uprooted them once they wouldn't think twice of using these pawns again....The settler red line is another example of unnecessary hardline bargaining aimed at pushing the GC's into accepting partition. The fact that some are considering was is a mild side effect to this policy and will not be taken seriously.

Obviously I dont want to see another war.
But Christofias' acceptance of a large number of settlers to remain is branded about in the TC press. wHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT? Sorry about the caps.

[denizaksulu]

Do you realize that before you GCs attack us you will have to get the approval of the EU?

To the best of my knowledge the EU has yet to encompass member's military issues, which makes sense as there is no EU military force as yet.

That may be true but surely they would prevent any military confrontation by 'other' means.

You're going to have to expand on that if we're to have any chance of responding to it...

Simple. EU will say "stay put", end of story.

I suppose you ask me to expand because you have no answer?

When I ask someone to expand it's because they are unclear and/or incomplete and thus preventing me from responding.

Now that you've "expanded" , I can't take this any further...

Thats ok, but didnt mummy tell you that spitting is unhygienic? If you need to spit again do it in english. Helen my colleague was embarrassed when I asked for a translation

[Get Real!]

You also have to apologise for the filthy language you used against my person and the accusations levied at me , ie traitor and coward .

You are full of shit aren't you . WHERE DID I STATE THAT " our leadership will never consider the defense of our land, you are in fact undermining this deterrence " ARSEHOLE WHERE ??
As for this again WHERE ?
Now mate , fucking read what I say don't come back with your own stupid interpretation of my clearly defined views , which are that the political war
and negotiations are the road towards finding a solution not a fucking war that WILL COST THE LIVES OF THOUSANDS AND ACHIEVE SWEET FA.
You describe me as a coward , Plonker how did you arrive at this because I find the views of Rambo as fucking stupid , supported by even more stupid twats like you, tell YOU WHAT wanker can you copy and post MY VIEWS not your perverted interpretation of where I stand. Let me tell you without even knowing you , but knowing my self , I have more guts on my dick than you in your entire body.
I'm happy that the voices of wisdom and common sense agree with my views to name just a couple , Bir and Kikapu , and dont fucking say its because they are T/Cs , no its because they have a brain !
Plonker let me tell you another thing , do you ever have sex , and if you do does it make a fucking sex maniac , well I drink wine and it does not make me a drunk.

Oops... I did it again!

I have never denied calling anyone fucking stupid , if need be I shall do so again , you however Rambo have used filthy language which I will not bother to post again.
Here is a general synopsis of where we stand:
I stand for one united Cyprus where all Cypriots are equal , where Bir and Kikapu have exactly the same rights that I have. I stand continued political negotiations contacted fairly and within the framework of the UN and the EU . I have never recognised the "TRNC" (every one on this forum is aware of this ) and have referred to Greece and Turkey as the two nations that caused more harm to our island than any other in our history.
I'm a Greek Cypriot but above all a Cypriot , I believe in a peaceful resolution because I'm convinced that not only war would solve absolutely nothing but it will cause immense damage to our island as well as to all combatants, Turkish , Turkish Cypriots , Greeks and Greek Cypriots as well as to all other Cypriots . Following a war , regardless of its duration , peace and seize fire will still have to be put in place. Our economy will suffer beyond our imagination , our people will feel the pain of losing loved ones and the end result could be and would a total disaster for Cyprus.
The RoC , quite sensibly , follows a policy of negotiations , embargoes , lobbying the International community and continually highlighting the plight of the 200 or so thousand displaced Cypriots.
A war against Turkey is not only anathema it is pure lunacy. This does not mean that I approach the matter from a pacifist angle , on the contrary , have never doubted the need of our armed forces to be alert , well trained and well equipped in order to defend any incursions into the RoC free areas from Turkey or from anyone else for that matter. Preparing for defence however is very different to preparing for war against a nation of 70 million with the support of the USA and Brittain.
The suggestion of employing the services of mercenaries is indicative of the pathetic view held by a self regarding rather pompous and rather arrogant individual . He stands for WAR not as a last option but as the ONLY Option , and what do we see , Paphitis in full support calling me a traitor for refusing to take these shit seriously .
May I suggest you wash the shit out of your face , particularly out of your ears and listen to reason . Accusations are cheap , foundations for accusations come a little harder. On this forum I have challenged vigorously the extremists , before you it was Eric the Plonker , naturally you followed . Surely others will come and , having been blessed with the GR treatment !!! I shall be ready .
I SHALL NOT BOTHER TO COPY POST PAST REMOSTRATIONS THAT SHOW WHERE I STAND.

I just love your ever-disappearing paragraphs and nonsensical layout of your posts... If you fix it up I promise to read it...

Have you ever considered retiring the pots and pans and becoming a writer?

[Get Real!]

Thats ok, but didnt mummy tell you that spitting is unhygienic? If you need to spit again do it in english. Helen my colleague was embarrassed when I asked for a translation

Unfortunately, the English language doesn't have the equivalent of the very unique "ftousou". It's basically a spoken spit that mimics a spit with no saliva or actual spit involved... pretty neat eh?

All together now... Ftousou re!

[Get Real!]

I hereby request that all Turkish Cypriots who voted in this poll have the HONESTY and COURAGE to say so…

They will'honestly' admit so you can call them 'cheats'. Thats just great.

We are offering a pardon to the honest... scout's honor!