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[Paphitis]

[quote=" quote]

GR has never stated to dismiss negotiations. He simply stated that Cyprus has the undeniable right to defend and liberate it's territory when all avenues have been exhausted. It is a right that all sovereign nations have.

And I fail to see how the negotiations have swung in our favour. Turkey has not made any compromise in the last 34 years, and the way I see it, the current engagement in negotiations by Turkey is a feable attempt in legitimising what she has stolen by attempting to arrange for an unfair solution which does not follow basic democratic principles of one man one vote and a united Cyprus that is not based on complex community structures. Most feel that this will once again not bode well for the future of Cyprus.[/quote]

Paphitis , once again disputing what GR posted and adding his own ingredients !
I m afraid , once again I will paste GRs article that infuriated me and I requested a poll , now Paphitis , here is a challenge to your above post as to GR never posting that war is our only option . Here is what you wrote ""GR has never stated to dismiss negotiations. He simply stated that Cyprus has the undeniable right to defend and liberate it's territory when all avenues have been exhausted. It is a right that all sovereign nations have. """
Ok let us see his post responsible for my asking for a poll and let us see where GR said what you are implying :

The Military Option: Turkey Vs Cyprus

Any illusions of a complex inter-communal political arrangement being implemented in Cyprus is now history, Turkey’s EU make-believe journey is over, and it is now a race to get the upper hand in technology, political influence, and in the overall balance of power because unfortunately it’s become apparent that Cyprus can only be liberated in the same way it was enslaved… through bloodshed!

The RoC is very much aware of Turkey's size, manpower, and military expenditure, etc, so when push goes to shove it will be Turkey that will have the most surprises as she is the one that underestimates the Republic of Cyprus and not the other way round.

Unfortunately, Cyprus will have to sacrifice some of her young generations so that future generations of Cypriots will live free on their liberated island from the Turkic curse that began in 1571.

In the event of a war there is little doubt that the geopolitical repercussions will be severe for Turkey win or lose. Realistically, most wars don't last longer than a month and it is with strategic maneuvers with respect to time that cause the other side to panic, make errors, and then offer concessions on the negotiating table. The Republic of Cyprus can muster around 100,000 men, have stockpiles of modern firepower and equipment…

http://www.army.gov.cy/index.php?id=227

…including the ability to strike deep into southern Turkey with ballistic missiles so all southern Turkish naval ports that can be used to provide further reinforcements can be leveled. The Turkish air force can be countered by the newly acquired French Mistral S2A technology (this is actually the world’s finest S2A)… """"

Now Sir tell me where this bit is and I promise you that I will cast my vote right now for GR ( I still have a vote incidentally.)

""GR has never stated to dismiss negotiations. He simply stated that Cyprus has the undeniable right to defend and liberate it's territory when all avenues have been exhausted."""

So when all avenues have been exhausted ......, did you get this out of a cracker cause crack shot GR never said this , and furthermore even now he is highly unlikely to say so.[/quote]
PAPHITIS IT APPEARS YOU MISSED THIS POST HERE IT IS AGAIN MATE .
DO PLEASE ENLIGHTEN US , OR REFRAIN FROM MAKING UP SUPPORTIVE POSTS FOR GRs HIGHLY DAMAGING ASSERTIONS. HERE ARE SOME OF THE RESULTS OF HIS NOTORIOUS GR TREATMENT , LOOK WHAT IT HAS DONE TO ME : [/quote]

Miltiades, quite frankly I just can not be bothered with you people as you insist on taking things out of context and manipulate other people's comments to further your own point of view. As a former serviceman with 11 years proud service with the RAAF, I understand fully the vital role the military plays in providing an excellent deterrence to war. By you advocating to the enemy that your views are those expressed by the majority of GCs and our leadership will never consider the defense of our land, you are in fact undermining this deterrence and also undermining the bargaining power that the RoC does have on the negotiating table. And for this you should be ASHAMED of your self as I consider your attitudes to be treason. For the moment I take comfort that your views are only maintained by your self and probably as a consequence of your over dependence to your plonk. Your views are not expressed by the majority of GCs and no GC politician will ever disregard its military options, and if they did, they certainly will not admit to it. Perhaps you are confusing the ideals expressed by our leadership that we are in a negotiating phase at the moment but you twist this into meaning that no other options will ever be contemplated.

Your point of view just does not convince me in the slightest. Let me tell you that if a foreign power ever landed its forces in Australia, the ADF will not take your cowardly response.

Let me also remind you that the RoC is not arming itself with offensive weaponry and maintains compulsory national service just for the hell of it. Let me also tell you that should all peaceful avenues of a fair and viable solution be exhausted, and given the right conditions in unstable Turkey, support from a third party, the RoC will not rule out the possibility of the military option. The RoC will reserve her right to defend its territory under occupation.

It is sad that you are hell bent on convincing the occupiers that we are a spineless and cowardly people who would never consider the use of our military to defend our land. This gives the impression that we will never fight for what is rightfully ours and further encourages the occupier to maintain the status quo. Please also consider that very soon, the environment on Cyprus will again change to negativity and it is very likely Cyprus will remain occupied for another 34 years, especially once a more secular and nationalistic government ousts Erdogan. You should perhaps ask the highest ranking officers of the Turkish Army on whether they would consider departing Cyprus and forego any stranglehold on the island. You would be shocked to realize that the answer to this is NO. And it is the senior officers of the Turkish Army which ATM control the destiny of Cyprus. It is definitely not Erdogan and it is certainly not Talat. This should be apparent to you as Erdogan's Islamic Party is just about to be outlawed by the military. Very soon Turkey will tell the EU to jam it and she will either withdraw her application to join it or her application will stall indefinitely. Do not be fooled into thinking that the EU has any leverage on the Turkish military Kemalist establishment.

So please spare me the bullshit, as I am pretty much fed up with this thread and with YOU.

You also have chosen to ignore a question that I asked you last night. It is OK that you do not want to answer it, as it probably challenges your ideals of sucking up to those who have stolen our lands, villages and homes. Do not get me wrong, your attempts at rapprochement with the TCs is honorable, but you sir have taken it so far over the top that it leaves me with a nauseating feeling which almost brings me to the point of pukeing my dinner.

Your attitude and spineless character disappoints me and I do not consider it befitting a Man. I can not agree with your point of view and I maintain my support for the views of GR. A view which I believe any self respecting individual will maintain in the honorable desire to defend one's country when required as opposed to your treason.

I no longer wish to communicate with you over this matter as I no longer have the energy or desire in reasoning with the unreasonable.

As GR said earlier.

Ftousou!

[miltiades]

Miltiades has not voted.

Thanks for that Jerry , of all the people on this forum you were the only one that knew I had not voted since the 1 vote I had at that time came from you .
I still haven't , unlike GR , because I believe that the poll requested others to vote and NOT THE TWO PARTICIPANTS.

Quit sobbing and take it like a man! You just DO NOT have the support you anticipated and are clearly out of touch with the true feelings of the RoC and her people so get over it!

The RoC is pursuing a policy of political negotiations in order to find a solution that both sides will find acceptable. The RoC has NEVER expressed your views , ie that further negotiations are futile and that the only way to liberate occupied Cyprus is with bloodshed . Your words not mine. What makes you think that the G/Cs share your view that war is the only option. Are you too thick and vain to accept that what you meant to write was this " IF ALL NEGOTIATIONS BREAK DOWN THEN THE OPTION OF WAR IS ON THE CARDS ""
The people of Cyprus DO NOT want a war more so since with the EU trumpcard the RoC is placed in an advantageous position to push for a solution and the removal of foreign troops. You have made an absolute arse of your self more so with your blackwater nonsense , so admit you gaffed , withdraw the nonsense that war IS the only option and then I might even use my so far unused vote to vote for you .Is this so hard to understand ?

[denizaksulu]

Miltiades has not voted.

Thanks for that Jerry , of all the people on this forum you were the only one that knew I had not voted since the 1 vote I had at that time came from you .
I still haven't , unlike GR , because I believe that the poll requested others to vote and NOT THE TWO PARTICIPANTS.

Quit sobbing and take it like a man! You just DO NOT have the support you anticipated and are clearly out of touch with the true feelings of the RoC and her people so get over it!

GR, how can a dozen or two votes be an indication of the total people of Cyprus. I doubt if any statsticians on this forum would agree with you. A much larger sample, then one would certainly take account of it.

It’s those of us that live here, pay taxes, serve the NG, follow the internal politics, and study the geopolitical scene, that know what the hell is going on, and not some sobbing fool in white socks and sandals sipping a Martini on a Paphos beach four times year!

You linked the 'public opinion' to the poll GR. Otherwise you may be correct, perhaps.

[miltiades]

[quote=" quote]

GR has never stated to dismiss negotiations. He simply stated that Cyprus has the undeniable right to defend and liberate it's territory when all avenues have been exhausted. It is a right that all sovereign nations have.

And I fail to see how the negotiations have swung in our favour. Turkey has not made any compromise in the last 34 years, and the way I see it, the current engagement in negotiations by Turkey is a feable attempt in legitimising what she has stolen by attempting to arrange for an unfair solution which does not follow basic democratic principles of one man one vote and a united Cyprus that is not based on complex community structures. Most feel that this will once again not bode well for the future of Cyprus.[/quote]

Paphitis , once again disputing what GR posted and adding his own ingredients !
I m afraid , once again I will paste GRs article that infuriated me and I requested a poll , now Paphitis , here is a challenge to your above post as to GR never posting that war is our only option . Here is what you wrote ""GR has never stated to dismiss negotiations. He simply stated that Cyprus has the undeniable right to defend and liberate it's territory when all avenues have been exhausted. It is a right that all sovereign nations have. """
Ok let us see his post responsible for my asking for a poll and let us see where GR said what you are implying :

The Military Option: Turkey Vs Cyprus

Any illusions of a complex inter-communal political arrangement being implemented in Cyprus is now history, Turkey’s EU make-believe journey is over, and it is now a race to get the upper hand in technology, political influence, and in the overall balance of power because unfortunately it’s become apparent that Cyprus can only be liberated in the same way it was enslaved… through bloodshed!

The RoC is very much aware of Turkey's size, manpower, and military expenditure, etc, so when push goes to shove it will be Turkey that will have the most surprises as she is the one that underestimates the Republic of Cyprus and not the other way round.

Unfortunately, Cyprus will have to sacrifice some of her young generations so that future generations of Cypriots will live free on their liberated island from the Turkic curse that began in 1571.

In the event of a war there is little doubt that the geopolitical repercussions will be severe for Turkey win or lose. Realistically, most wars don't last longer than a month and it is with strategic maneuvers with respect to time that cause the other side to panic, make errors, and then offer concessions on the negotiating table. The Republic of Cyprus can muster around 100,000 men, have stockpiles of modern firepower and equipment…

http://www.army.gov.cy/index.php?id=227

…including the ability to strike deep into southern Turkey with ballistic missiles so all southern Turkish naval ports that can be used to provide further reinforcements can be leveled. The Turkish air force can be countered by the newly acquired French Mistral S2A technology (this is actually the world’s finest S2A)… """"

Now Sir tell me where this bit is and I promise you that I will cast my vote right now for GR ( I still have a vote incidentally.)

""GR has never stated to dismiss negotiations. He simply stated that Cyprus has the undeniable right to defend and liberate it's territory when all avenues have been exhausted."""

So when all avenues have been exhausted ......, did you get this out of a cracker cause crack shot GR never said this , and furthermore even now he is highly unlikely to say so.[/quote]
PAPHITIS IT APPEARS YOU MISSED THIS POST HERE IT IS AGAIN MATE .
DO PLEASE ENLIGHTEN US , OR REFRAIN FROM MAKING UP SUPPORTIVE POSTS FOR GRs HIGHLY DAMAGING ASSERTIONS. HERE ARE SOME OF THE RESULTS OF HIS NOTORIOUS GR TREATMENT , LOOK WHAT IT HAS DONE TO ME : [/quote]

Miltiades, quite frankly I just can not be bothered with you people as you insist on taking things out of context and manipulate other people's comments to further your own point of view. As a former serviceman with 11 years proud service with the RAAF, I understand fully the vital role the military plays in providing an excellent deterrence to war. By you advocating to the enemy that your views are those expressed by the majority of GCs and our leadership will never consider the defense of our land, you are in fact undermining this deterrence and also undermining the bargaining power that the RoC does have on the negotiating table. And for this you should be ASHAMED of your self as I consider your attitudes to be treason. For the moment I take comfort that your views are only maintained by your self and probably as a consequence of you over dependence to your plonk. Your views are not expressed by the majority of GCs and no GC politician will ever disregard its military options, and if they did, they certainly will not admit to it. Perhaps you are confusing the ideals expressed by our leadership that we are in a negotiating phase at the moment but you twist this into meaning that no other options will ever be contemplated.

Your point of view just does not convince me in the slightest. Let me tell you that if a foreign power ever landed its forces in Australia, the ADF will not take your cowardly response.

Let me also remind you that the RoC is not arming itself with offensive weaponry and maintains compulsory national service just for the hell of it. Let me also tell you that should all peaceful avenues of a fair and viable solution be exhausted, and given the right conditions in unstable Turkey, support from a third party, the RoC will not rule out the possibility of the military option. The RoC will reserve her right to defend its territory under occupation.

It is sad that you are hell bent on convincing the occupiers that we are a spineless and cowardly people who would never consider the use of our military to defend our land. This gives the impression that we will never fight for what is rightfully ours and further encourages the occupier to maintain the status quo. Please also consider that very soon, the environment on Cyprus will again change to negativity and it is very likely Cyprus will remain occupied for another 34 years, especially once a more secular and nationalistic government ousts Erdogan. You should perhaps ask the highest ranking officers of the Turkish Army on whether they would consider departing Cyprus and forego any stranglehold on the island. You would be shocked to realize that the answer to this is NO. And it is the senior officers of the Turkish Army which ATM control the destiny of Cyprus. It is definitely not Erdogan and it is certainly not Talat. This should be apparent to you as Erdogan's Islamic Party is just about to be outlawed by the military. Very soon Turkey will tell the EU to jam it and she will either withdraw her application to join it or her application will stall indefinitely. Do not be fooled into thinking that the EU has any leverage on the Turkish military Kemalist establishment.

So please spare me the bullshit, as I am pretty much fed up with this thread and with YOU.

You also have chosen to ignore a question that I asked you last night. It is OK that you do not want to answer it, as it probably challenges your ideals of sucking up to those who have stolen our lands, villages and homes. Do not get me wrong, your attempts at rapprochement with the TCs is honorable, but you sir have taken it so far over the top that it leaves me with a nauseating feeling which almost brings me to the point of pukeing my dinner.

Your attitude and spineless character disappoints me and I do not consider it befitting a Man. I can not agree with your point of view and I maintain my support for the views of GR. A view which I believe any self respecting individual will maintain in the honorable desire to defend one's country when required as opposed to your treason.

I no longer wish to communicate with you over this matter as I no longer have the energy or desire in reasoning with the unreasonable.

As GR said earlier.

Ftousou![/quote]

You are full of shit aren't you . WHERE DID I STATE THAT " our leadership will never consider the defense of our land, you are in fact undermining this deterrence " ARSEHOLE WHERE ??
As for this again WHERE ? "It is sad that you are hell bent on convincing the occupiers that we are a spineless and cowardly people who would never consider the use of our military to defend our land. """
Now mate , fucking read what I say don't come back with your own stupid interpretation of my clearly defined views , which are that the political war
and negotiations are the road towards finding a solution not a fucking war that WILL COST THE LIVES OF THOUSANDS AND ACHIEVE SWEET FA.
You describe me as a coward , Plonker how did you arrive at this because I find the views of Rambo as fucking stupid , supported by even more stupid twats like you, tell YOU WHAT wanker can you copy and post MY VIEWS not your perverted interpretation of where I stand. Let me tell you without even knowing you , but knowing my self , I have more guts on my dick than you in your entire body.
I'm happy that the voices of wisdom and common sense agree with my views to name just a couple , Bir and Kikapu , and dont fucking say its because they are T/Cs , no its because they have a brain !
Plonker let me tell you another thing , do you ever have sex , and if you do does it make a fucking sex maniac , well I drink wine and it does not make me a drunk.
Finally I offer my apologies for using the f. word a few times but at least I don't use the filthy language that your mate uses , I also use the word PISS OFF .

[Paphitis]

[quote=" quote]

GR has never stated to dismiss negotiations. He simply stated that Cyprus has the undeniable right to defend and liberate it's territory when all avenues have been exhausted. It is a right that all sovereign nations have.

And I fail to see how the negotiations have swung in our favour. Turkey has not made any compromise in the last 34 years, and the way I see it, the current engagement in negotiations by Turkey is a feable attempt in legitimising what she has stolen by attempting to arrange for an unfair solution which does not follow basic democratic principles of one man one vote and a united Cyprus that is not based on complex community structures. Most feel that this will once again not bode well for the future of Cyprus.[/quote]

Paphitis , once again disputing what GR posted and adding his own ingredients !
I m afraid , once again I will paste GRs article that infuriated me and I requested a poll , now Paphitis , here is a challenge to your above post as to GR never posting that war is our only option . Here is what you wrote ""GR has never stated to dismiss negotiations. He simply stated that Cyprus has the undeniable right to defend and liberate it's territory when all avenues have been exhausted. It is a right that all sovereign nations have. """
Ok let us see his post responsible for my asking for a poll and let us see where GR said what you are implying :

The Military Option: Turkey Vs Cyprus

Any illusions of a complex inter-communal political arrangement being implemented in Cyprus is now history, Turkey’s EU make-believe journey is over, and it is now a race to get the upper hand in technology, political influence, and in the overall balance of power because unfortunately it’s become apparent that Cyprus can only be liberated in the same way it was enslaved… through bloodshed!

The RoC is very much aware of Turkey's size, manpower, and military expenditure, etc, so when push goes to shove it will be Turkey that will have the most surprises as she is the one that underestimates the Republic of Cyprus and not the other way round.

Unfortunately, Cyprus will have to sacrifice some of her young generations so that future generations of Cypriots will live free on their liberated island from the Turkic curse that began in 1571.

In the event of a war there is little doubt that the geopolitical repercussions will be severe for Turkey win or lose. Realistically, most wars don't last longer than a month and it is with strategic maneuvers with respect to time that cause the other side to panic, make errors, and then offer concessions on the negotiating table. The Republic of Cyprus can muster around 100,000 men, have stockpiles of modern firepower and equipment…

http://www.army.gov.cy/index.php?id=227

…including the ability to strike deep into southern Turkey with ballistic missiles so all southern Turkish naval ports that can be used to provide further reinforcements can be leveled. The Turkish air force can be countered by the newly acquired French Mistral S2A technology (this is actually the world’s finest S2A)… """"

Now Sir tell me where this bit is and I promise you that I will cast my vote right now for GR ( I still have a vote incidentally.)

""GR has never stated to dismiss negotiations. He simply stated that Cyprus has the undeniable right to defend and liberate it's territory when all avenues have been exhausted."""

So when all avenues have been exhausted ......, did you get this out of a cracker cause crack shot GR never said this , and furthermore even now he is highly unlikely to say so.[/quote]
PAPHITIS IT APPEARS YOU MISSED THIS POST HERE IT IS AGAIN MATE .
DO PLEASE ENLIGHTEN US , OR REFRAIN FROM MAKING UP SUPPORTIVE POSTS FOR GRs HIGHLY DAMAGING ASSERTIONS. HERE ARE SOME OF THE RESULTS OF HIS NOTORIOUS GR TREATMENT , LOOK WHAT IT HAS DONE TO ME : [/quote]

Miltiades, quite frankly I just can not be bothered with you people as you insist on taking things out of context and manipulate other people's comments to further your own point of view. As a former serviceman with 11 years proud service with the RAAF, I understand fully the vital role the military plays in providing an excellent deterrence to war. By you advocating to the enemy that your views are those expressed by the majority of GCs and our leadership will never consider the defense of our land, you are in fact undermining this deterrence and also undermining the bargaining power that the RoC does have on the negotiating table. And for this you should be ASHAMED of your self as I consider your attitudes to be treason. For the moment I take comfort that your views are only maintained by your self and probably as a consequence of you over dependence to your plonk. Your views are not expressed by the majority of GCs and no GC politician will ever disregard its military options, and if they did, they certainly will not admit to it. Perhaps you are confusing the ideals expressed by our leadership that we are in a negotiating phase at the moment but you twist this into meaning that no other options will ever be contemplated.

Your point of view just does not convince me in the slightest. Let me tell you that if a foreign power ever landed its forces in Australia, the ADF will not take your cowardly response.

Let me also remind you that the RoC is not arming itself with offensive weaponry and maintains compulsory national service just for the hell of it. Let me also tell you that should all peaceful avenues of a fair and viable solution be exhausted, and given the right conditions in unstable Turkey, support from a third party, the RoC will not rule out the possibility of the military option. The RoC will reserve her right to defend its territory under occupation.

It is sad that you are hell bent on convincing the occupiers that we are a spineless and cowardly people who would never consider the use of our military to defend our land. This gives the impression that we will never fight for what is rightfully ours and further encourages the occupier to maintain the status quo. Please also consider that very soon, the environment on Cyprus will again change to negativity and it is very likely Cyprus will remain occupied for another 34 years, especially once a more secular and nationalistic government ousts Erdogan. You should perhaps ask the highest ranking officers of the Turkish Army on whether they would consider departing Cyprus and forego any stranglehold on the island. You would be shocked to realize that the answer to this is NO. And it is the senior officers of the Turkish Army which ATM control the destiny of Cyprus. It is definitely not Erdogan and it is certainly not Talat. This should be apparent to you as Erdogan's Islamic Party is just about to be outlawed by the military. Very soon Turkey will tell the EU to jam it and she will either withdraw her application to join it or her application will stall indefinitely. Do not be fooled into thinking that the EU has any leverage on the Turkish military Kemalist establishment.

So please spare me the bullshit, as I am pretty much fed up with this thread and with YOU.

You also have chosen to ignore a question that I asked you last night. It is OK that you do not want to answer it, as it probably challenges your ideals of sucking up to those who have stolen our lands, villages and homes. Do not get me wrong, your attempts at rapprochement with the TCs is honorable, but you sir have taken it so far over the top that it leaves me with a nauseating feeling which almost brings me to the point of pukeing my dinner.

Your attitude and spineless character disappoints me and I do not consider it befitting a Man. I can not agree with your point of view and I maintain my support for the views of GR. A view which I believe any self respecting individual will maintain in the honorable desire to defend one's country when required as opposed to your treason.

I no longer wish to communicate with you over this matter as I no longer have the energy or desire in reasoning with the unreasonable.

As GR said earlier.

Ftousou![/quote]
You are full of shit aren't you . WHERE DID I STATE THAT " our leadership will never consider the defense of our land, you are in fact undermining this deterrence " ARSEHOLE WHERE ??
As for this again WHERE ? "It is sad that you are hell bent on convincing the occupiers that we are a spineless and cowardly people who would never consider the use of our military to defend our land. """
Now mate , fucking read what I say don't come back with your own stupid interpretation of my clearly defined views , which are that the political war
and negotiations are the road towards finding a solution not a fucking war that WILL COST THE LIVES OF THOUSANDS AND ACHIEVE SWEET FA.
You describe me as a coward , Plonker how did you arrive at this because I find the views of Rambo as fucking stupid , supported by even more stupid twats like you, tell YOU WHAT wanker can you copy and post MY VIEWS not your perverted interpretation of where I stand. Let me tell you without even knowing you , but knowing my self , I have more guts on my dick than you in your entire body.
I'm happy that the voices of wisdom and common sense agree with my views to name just a couple , Bir and Kikapu , and dont fucking say its because they are T/Cs , no its because they have a brain !
Plonker let me tell you another thing , do you ever have sex , and if you do does it make a fucking sex maniac , well I drink wine and it does not make me a drunk.
Finally I offer my apologies for using the f. word a few times but at least I don't use the filthy language that your mate uses , I also use the word PISS OFF .[/quote]

If the RoC ever decides on military action to liberate the occupied lands, it is merely deciding to defend her very own borders. A concept you fail to comprehend. You by ruling out this option is also ruling out the option of defending our borders. Is that too tough for you to understand.

Again

Ftousou Apadeona

That it the last time I communicate with you on this matter, as treason makes my blood boil.

[Viewpoint]

[quote=" quote]

GR has never stated to dismiss negotiations. He simply stated that Cyprus has the undeniable right to defend and liberate it's territory when all avenues have been exhausted. It is a right that all sovereign nations have.

And I fail to see how the negotiations have swung in our favour. Turkey has not made any compromise in the last 34 years, and the way I see it, the current engagement in negotiations by Turkey is a feable attempt in legitimising what she has stolen by attempting to arrange for an unfair solution which does not follow basic democratic principles of one man one vote and a united Cyprus that is not based on complex community structures. Most feel that this will once again not bode well for the future of Cyprus.[/quote]

Paphitis , once again disputing what GR posted and adding his own ingredients !
I m afraid , once again I will paste GRs article that infuriated me and I requested a poll , now Paphitis , here is a challenge to your above post as to GR never posting that war is our only option . Here is what you wrote ""GR has never stated to dismiss negotiations. He simply stated that Cyprus has the undeniable right to defend and liberate it's territory when all avenues have been exhausted. It is a right that all sovereign nations have. """
Ok let us see his post responsible for my asking for a poll and let us see where GR said what you are implying :

The Military Option: Turkey Vs Cyprus

Any illusions of a complex inter-communal political arrangement being implemented in Cyprus is now history, Turkey’s EU make-believe journey is over, and it is now a race to get the upper hand in technology, political influence, and in the overall balance of power because unfortunately it’s become apparent that Cyprus can only be liberated in the same way it was enslaved… through bloodshed!

The RoC is very much aware of Turkey's size, manpower, and military expenditure, etc, so when push goes to shove it will be Turkey that will have the most surprises as she is the one that underestimates the Republic of Cyprus and not the other way round.

Unfortunately, Cyprus will have to sacrifice some of her young generations so that future generations of Cypriots will live free on their liberated island from the Turkic curse that began in 1571.

In the event of a war there is little doubt that the geopolitical repercussions will be severe for Turkey win or lose. Realistically, most wars don't last longer than a month and it is with strategic maneuvers with respect to time that cause the other side to panic, make errors, and then offer concessions on the negotiating table. The Republic of Cyprus can muster around 100,000 men, have stockpiles of modern firepower and equipment…

http://www.army.gov.cy/index.php?id=227

…including the ability to strike deep into southern Turkey with ballistic missiles so all southern Turkish naval ports that can be used to provide further reinforcements can be leveled. The Turkish air force can be countered by the newly acquired French Mistral S2A technology (this is actually the world’s finest S2A)… """"

Now Sir tell me where this bit is and I promise you that I will cast my vote right now for GR ( I still have a vote incidentally.)

""GR has never stated to dismiss negotiations. He simply stated that Cyprus has the undeniable right to defend and liberate it's territory when all avenues have been exhausted."""

So when all avenues have been exhausted ......, did you get this out of a cracker cause crack shot GR never said this , and furthermore even now he is highly unlikely to say so.[/quote]
PAPHITIS IT APPEARS YOU MISSED THIS POST HERE IT IS AGAIN MATE .
DO PLEASE ENLIGHTEN US , OR REFRAIN FROM MAKING UP SUPPORTIVE POSTS FOR GRs HIGHLY DAMAGING ASSERTIONS. HERE ARE SOME OF THE RESULTS OF HIS NOTORIOUS GR TREATMENT , LOOK WHAT IT HAS DONE TO ME : [/quote]

Miltiades, quite frankly I just can not be bothered with you people as you insist on taking things out of context and manipulate other people's comments to further your own point of view. As a former serviceman with 11 years proud service with the RAAF, I understand fully the vital role the military plays in providing an excellent deterrence to war. By you advocating to the enemy that your views are those expressed by the majority of GCs and our leadership will never consider the defense of our land, you are in fact undermining this deterrence and also undermining the bargaining power that the RoC does have on the negotiating table. And for this you should be ASHAMED of your self as I consider your attitudes to be treason. For the moment I take comfort that your views are only maintained by your self and probably as a consequence of you over dependence to your plonk. Your views are not expressed by the majority of GCs and no GC politician will ever disregard its military options, and if they did, they certainly will not admit to it. Perhaps you are confusing the ideals expressed by our leadership that we are in a negotiating phase at the moment but you twist this into meaning that no other options will ever be contemplated.

Your point of view just does not convince me in the slightest. Let me tell you that if a foreign power ever landed its forces in Australia, the ADF will not take your cowardly response.

Let me also remind you that the RoC is not arming itself with offensive weaponry and maintains compulsory national service just for the hell of it. Let me also tell you that should all peaceful avenues of a fair and viable solution be exhausted, and given the right conditions in unstable Turkey, support from a third party, the RoC will not rule out the possibility of the military option. The RoC will reserve her right to defend its territory under occupation.

It is sad that you are hell bent on convincing the occupiers that we are a spineless and cowardly people who would never consider the use of our military to defend our land. This gives the impression that we will never fight for what is rightfully ours and further encourages the occupier to maintain the status quo. Please also consider that very soon, the environment on Cyprus will again change to negativity and it is very likely Cyprus will remain occupied for another 34 years, especially once a more secular and nationalistic government ousts Erdogan. You should perhaps ask the highest ranking officers of the Turkish Army on whether they would consider departing Cyprus and forego any stranglehold on the island. You would be shocked to realize that the answer to this is NO. And it is the senior officers of the Turkish Army which ATM control the destiny of Cyprus. It is definitely not Erdogan and it is certainly not Talat. This should be apparent to you as Erdogan's Islamic Party is just about to be outlawed by the military. Very soon Turkey will tell the EU to jam it and she will either withdraw her application to join it or her application will stall indefinitely. Do not be fooled into thinking that the EU has any leverage on the Turkish military Kemalist establishment.

So please spare me the bullshit, as I am pretty much fed up with this thread and with YOU.

You also have chosen to ignore a question that I asked you last night. It is OK that you do not want to answer it, as it probably challenges your ideals of sucking up to those who have stolen our lands, villages and homes. Do not get me wrong, your attempts at rapprochement with the TCs is honorable, but you sir have taken it so far over the top that it leaves me with a nauseating feeling which almost brings me to the point of pukeing my dinner.

Your attitude and spineless character disappoints me and I do not consider it befitting a Man. I can not agree with your point of view and I maintain my support for the views of GR. A view which I believe any self respecting individual will maintain in the honorable desire to defend one's country when required as opposed to your treason.

I no longer wish to communicate with you over this matter as I no longer have the energy or desire in reasoning with the unreasonable.

As GR said earlier.

Ftousou![/quote]
You are full of shit aren't you . WHERE DID I STATE THAT " our leadership will never consider the defense of our land, you are in fact undermining this deterrence " ARSEHOLE WHERE ??
As for this again WHERE ? "It is sad that you are hell bent on convincing the occupiers that we are a spineless and cowardly people who would never consider the use of our military to defend our land. """
Now mate , fucking read what I say don't come back with your own stupid interpretation of my clearly defined views , which are that the political war
and negotiations are the road towards finding a solution not a fucking war that WILL COST THE LIVES OF THOUSANDS AND ACHIEVE SWEET FA.
You describe me as a coward , Plonker how did you arrive at this because I find the views of Rambo as fucking stupid , supported by even more stupid twats like you, tell YOU WHAT wanker can you copy and post MY VIEWS not your perverted interpretation of where I stand. Let me tell you without even knowing you , but knowing my self , I have more guts on my dick than you in your entire body.
I'm happy that the voices of wisdom and common sense agree with my views to name just a couple , Bir and Kikapu , and dont fucking say its because they are T/Cs , no its because they have a brain !
Plonker let me tell you another thing , do you ever have sex , and if you do does it make a fucking sex maniac , well I drink wine and it does not make me a drunk.
Finally I offer my apologies for using the f. word a few times but at least I don't use the filthy language that your mate uses , I also use the word PISS OFF .[/quote]

If the RoC ever decides on military action to liberate the occupied lands, it is merely deciding to defend her very own borders. A concept you fail to comprehend. You by ruling out this option is also ruling out the option of defending our borders. Is that too tough for you to understand.

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Ftousou Apadeona

That it the last time I communicate with you on this matter, as treason makes my blood boil.[/quote]

Do you realize that before you GCs attack us you will have to get the approval of the EU?

[Get Real!]

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Ftousou Apadeona

That it the last time I communicate with you on this matter, as treason makes my blood boil.

Funny but so true... let's not waste any more time with this fool.

[Paphitis]

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Ftousou Apadeona

That it the last time I communicate with you on this matter, as treason makes my blood boil.

Funny but so true... let's not waste any more time with this fool.

AMEN to that!

[Get Real!]

Do you realize that before you GCs attack us you will have to get the approval of the EU?

To the best of my knowledge the EU has yet to encompass member's military issues, which makes sense as there is no EU military force as yet.

[miltiades]

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Ftousou Apadeona

That it the last time I communicate with you on this matter, as treason makes my blood boil.

Funny but so true... let's not waste any more time with this fool.

AMEN to that!

You impertinent brain dead scumbag, when challenged to support your ridiculous accusations you squirm like a worm.
You accuse me of being a coward , what evidence do you have , my preference to a peaceful resolution and the continuation of the political negotiations that our RoC is pursuing ?? Then the entire ROC are traitors and cowards .
As for the other Plonker , the one with the filthy mouth and the huge chip on his shoulders I suggest you both take a run and jump. If you or Rambo think that you can intimidate Miltiades then come on boys , I'm waiting !!
I can see now how Kikapu responded when he was being attacked by the fanatics on the other site , he stood up to them just as I'm standing up to you two insignificant war mongers .