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[Get Real!]

(i haven't read all the posts by the way).

And herein lays the problem, because you ASSUMED that Miltiades stands for something admirable...

If you stick around long enough you'll discover to your horror what a disgusting, immoral, uneducated, misleading, and hypocritical baboon he really is.

Nobody here suggested to go to war but we RETAIN the right of such an option should all other acceptable avenues be exhausted. As simple as that.

Regards, GR.

[Eliko]

Have a great trip to Cyprus, Eliko.

Are you going to visit Rizokarpaso?

paphitis, thank you for your kind wishes, during the periods of time that I am in Cyprus, I always make a point of visiting the land of my Father, I do not do so for any other reason save the pleasure and comfort of knowing that perhaps I stand upon the ground where he once stood, THAT is enough for me.

Similarly I like to visit my much older Brother's grave (in the RoC ) and light a candle in the local church.

Other than that, my time is fully occupied and I am able to visit many of my close and extended family members (both in Cyprus and elsewhere).

Best Wishes to you and your family. Eliko.

[Chara]

(i haven't read all the posts by the way).

And herein lays the problem, because you ASSUMED that Miltiades stands for something admirable...

If you stick around long enough you'll discover to your horror what a disgusting, immoral, uneducated, misleading, and hypocritical baboon he really is.

Nobody here suggested to go to war but we RETAIN the right of such an option should all other acceptable avenues be exhausted. As simple as that.

Regards, GR.

To be honest i'm to scared to read all the posts...they scare me! LOL

Everyone has a right to defend their land/loved ones or what is theirs, I do not take that away from anyone. But to go to war should not be taken lightly, and be used only as a very LAST resort. I do not belive all avenues have been explored as yet.

What can i say...I'm an optamist! LOL

[Paphitis]

Have a great trip to Cyprus, Eliko.

Are you going to visit Rizokarpaso?

paphitis, thank you for your kind wishes, during the periods of time that I am in Cyprus, I always make a point of visiting the land of my Father, I do not do so for any other reason save the pleasure and comfort of knowing that perhaps I stand upon the ground where he once stood, THAT is enough for me.

Similarly I like to visit my much older Brother's grave (in the RoC ) and light a candle in the local church.

Other than that, my time is fully occupied and I am able to visit many of my close and extended family members (both in Cyprus and elsewhere).

Best Wishes to you and your family. Eliko.

It is a very emotional time when you visit YOUR village which is ILLEGALLY occupied. I remember when my wife and I went to Kythrea, the village she and her family had to flee from the advancing Turks. We visited the house that my in laws still own and she could not stop crying.

I wish you all the best.

[Eliko]

paphitis, I hear you.

[Eliko]

miltiades, please read the following comments, I inadvertently submitted earlier than intended.

[Eliko]

miltiades, I do think you need to consider the opinions of others with a little more flexibility, you have apparently concluded that the issue is a clear cut choice between 'WAR' and 'PEACE' and I think you are misguided in reaching that conclusion.

I am sure Get Real (along with every other member) would prefer a just and peaceful settlement and that is where you seem to be having difficulty in understanding the support Get Real is receiving.

My own views (in the previous poll) were quite clear and brief, there would be little point in adopting your approach to a settlement since, quite frankly, I considered your proposals mere murmurings of what any of us may read in the gutter press, totally ineffective political claptrap.

Get Real, on the other hand, approaches the issue from a position which rallies the support of those who have a less myopic view of the situation in Cyprus, he is not suggesting that we should all march out and declare war on our own people, he is highlighting the option of military action should the negotiating capabilities of those who represent Cyprus should fail.

The ultimate objectives of both you and Get Real are very similar, they are in tandem with the majority of the members I am sure, the difference is that your proposals emanate from your weakness and willingness to follow the failed policies of the gullible, whereas Get Real declares his own opinions, THAT is why paphitis found it so easy to make his choice and the same reasons apply to my own.

In my humble opinion of course.

May be I misread the following , just as you have done, here it is again , now read it and then tell where war is mentioned as a last resort .
He states clearly that any political arrangement is now history . I read this as meaning there is no chance of a political settlement.

miltiades, if you care to examine the meaning of Get Real's comment that "Any political arrangement is now history", you may discover that it is a FACT.

Since such arrangements have failed, they ARE history.

However, a new approach to a peaceful solution is possible and it is in THAT sense that Get Real states his following comments.

At least that is how I interpret them, maybe a further scrutiny might be helpful were you also prepared to allow for someone elses views.

In this world, ANYTHING is possible.

[miltiades]

Take which like a man , your nonsense !!! Or the fact that 12 voted for your war idea , I have deducted your vote and that of Eliko's since he is not a G/C .

miltiades, I must protest at your assumption that I am not entitled to vote on account of my nationality.

When you retire tonight, have one thing on your mind my old friend:-

You have in the past (and currently) levelled an enormous amount of insult to one of you own countrymen WITHOUT the slightest knowledge of whom you are addressing.

I was about to reveal certain facts to you regarding my family, it suits my purpose better to keep my own counsel at this time.

I am a man who has suffered many vicissitudes in my life and no doubt will face many more, miltiades, you have no right to abuse and insult a person simply because his perceptions of world events are contrary (or different) to your own.

If you wish to engage in a debate, you should be prepared to accept the fact that others may have differing opinions, if they have not, then the whole purpose of debate becomes meaningless and whatever problems existing and under discussion will remain so.

I am about to re-enter Cyprus in the early hours, it is with some trepidation that I will do so as it will be the 13th and I confess that I am something of a tridecaphobic (my ONLY weakness)

I fear you may be wasting your time in insulting and lampooning me at every opportunity since my 'education' (which often has to bear the brunt of your verbal assaults) has taught me to 'Suffer Fools Gladly' and I consider it extremely foolish to level insult to a stranger, better you should adopt a similar philosophy for fear that you may overstep the bounds of acceptable behaviour among decent folk.

Still I can wish Good Health and Good Luck to you and your family, you are a man of advancing years and are therefore entitled to a certain amount of respect on account of such.

Best Wishes (from the target of your affront) Eliko.

Eliko , you have cheated !! The vote calls for G/Cs only , since you told us on many occasions that your family connections are Cuban and Irish , that means you are not a Greek Cypriot !!! Your a Bin Laden and suicide bomber supporter and so is the other one , you the General GR !!

miltiades, I am in despair of your apparent inability to interpet that which you read.

I have never stated that I am of Cuban descent, I have family connections there, I also have family connections in Australia, Ireland and Cyprus.

My family were standing firm in Cyprus when you departed, my Father was from Rizokarpaso and my Mother was from Eire.

I have many reasons to be extremely proud of them both and the bulk of my family connections are resident in Cyprus.

Thank you for addressing me as a cheat, you once again merely emphasize your own ignorance by so doing.

In my humble opinion. Eliko.

I am currently snatching small opportunities of engagement in the forum, perhaps I will be able to spend a little more time soon (before departure in another month for another spell in the wilderness).

It's a great life !!.

In view of the fact that you never indicated that either of your parents was of Greek Cypriot descent I wrongly presumed that you were not a G/C.
I apologise unreservedly for questioning your credentials in voting and for calling you a cheat , only for this mind you .

[Get Real!]

In view of the fact that you never indicated that either of your parents was of Greek Cypriot descent I wrongly presumed that you were not a G/C. I apologise unreservedly for questioning your credentials in voting and for calling you a cheat , only for this mind you .

In view of the fact that it’s a recurring theme for you to jump to conclusions and make a complete dork of yourself, I'll wager that Eliko will forgive you...

[miltiades]

miltiades, I do think you need to consider the opinions of others with a little more flexibility, you have apparently concluded that the issue is a clear cut choice between 'WAR' and 'PEACE' and I think you are misguided in reaching that conclusion.

I am sure Get Real (along with every other member) would prefer a just and peaceful settlement and that is where you seem to be having difficulty in understanding the support Get Real is receiving.

My own views (in the previous poll) were quite clear and brief, there would be little point in adopting your approach to a settlement since, quite frankly, I considered your proposals mere murmurings of what any of us may read in the gutter press, totally ineffective political claptrap.


A)
Get Real, on the other hand, approaches the issue from a position which rallies the support of those who have a less myopic view of the situation in Cyprus, he is not suggesting that we should all march out and declare war on our own people, he is highlighting the option of military action should the negotiating capabilities of those who represent Cyprus should fail.

The ultimate objectives of both you and Get Real are very similar, they are in tandem with the majority of the members I am sure, the difference is that your proposals emanate from your weakness and willingness to follow the failed policies of the gullible, whereas Get Real declares his own opinions, THAT is why paphitis found it so easy to make his choice and the same reasons apply to my own.

In my humble opinion of course.

May be I misread the following , just as you have done, here it is again , now read it and then tell where war is mentioned as a last resort .
He states clearly that any political arrangement is now history . I read this as meaning there is no chance of a political settlement.

miltiades, if you care to examine the meaning of Get Real's comment that "Any political arrangement is now history", you may discover that it is a FACT.

Since such arrangements have failed, they ARE history.

However, a new approach to a peaceful solution is possible and it is in THAT sense that Get Real states his following comments.

At least that is how I interpret them, maybe a further scrutiny might be helpful were you also prepared to allow for someone elses views.

In this world, ANYTHING is possible.

OK Eliko , this is the "offending post " YOU direct me and our newcomer to
this thread where what you say here exists """However, a new approach to a peaceful solution is possible and it is in THAT sense that Get Real states his following comments.""""


The Military Option: Turkey Vs Cyprus

Any illusions of a complex inter-communal political arrangement being implemented in Cyprus is now history, Turkey’s EU make-believe journey is over, and it is now a race to get the upper hand in technology, political influence, and in the overall balance of power because unfortunately it’s become apparent that Cyprus can only be liberated in the same way it was enslaved… through bloodshed!

The RoC is very much aware of Turkey's size, manpower, and military expenditure, etc, so when push goes to shove it will be Turkey that will have the most surprises as she is the one that underestimates the Republic of Cyprus and not the other way round.

Unfortunately, Cyprus will have to sacrifice some of her young generations so that future generations of Cypriots will live free on their liberated island from the Turkic curse that began in 1571.

In the event of a war there is little doubt that the geopolitical repercussions will be severe for Turkey win or lose. Realistically, most wars don't last longer than a month and it is with strategic maneuvers with respect to time that cause the other side to panic, make errors, and then offer concessions on the negotiating table. The Republic of Cyprus can muster around 100,000 men, have stockpiles of modern firepower and equipment…

http://www.army.gov.cy/index.php?id=227

…including the ability to strike deep into southern Turkey with ballistic missiles so all southern Turkish naval ports that can be used to provide further reinforcements can be leveled. The Turkish air force can be countered by the newly acquired French Mistral S2A technology (this is actually the world’s finest S2A)…

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/mistral/

…and last but not least the GS’s have every reason to fight to the end as they have nowhere else to go anyway and they certainly have the advantage of numbers on the island.

On the other hand, Turkey’s fragile political nature coupled with the shock of fierce resistance and that of the fight spilling onto Turkish soil with civilian casualties could make the Turkish regime capitulate from embarrassment and scurry to the negotiating table as they will most likely be expecting a re-run of July 1974!

A breakdown of current sizes of forces on the island reveals…

“Greeks”
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National Guard 10,000
Greek Cypriot Reservists 88,000
Greek ELDIK ?
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98,000

“Turks”
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Turkish Cypriot Soldiers 4,000
Turkish Cypriot Reservists 26,000
Turkish Military 39,000
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69,000

NB: Greeks have not been included here as it is unlikely that they will ever come to Cyprus’ aid if history is anything to go by, something that was further reinforced by Greece’s total failure to look after one of her Aegean rocks from Turkish attack (Imia) not too long ago…

http://pedia.counsellingresource.com/openpedia/Imia

Another option for the RoC would be the hiring of professional armies to assist in conjunction with the National Guard in the removal of the enemy from Cypriot soil such as Blackwater…

http://www.blackwaterusa.com/

Blackwater’s mission reads:

“To support national and international security policies that protect those who are defenseless and provide a free voice for all with a dedication to providing ethical, efficient, and effective turnkey solutions that positively impact the lives of those still caught in desperate times.”

With the demise of the Annan plan, and the official Turkish and Turkish Cypriot policy of “Taksim” being very loud and clear, it appears that all political options for the solution of the Cyprus problem have been exhausted.

Evidently, the RoC does not really have any other option anymore and that is why for the last couple of years she has clearly shifted from a defensive military stance to an offensive one with the acquisition of short and mid-range missiles, sophisticated radar systems, attack helicopters, and other modern hardware to compliment her new military alliance with France.

The military option has always been on the table for the RoC but only now it is being taken very seriously so is Turkey truly invincible against Cyprus? but more importantly… what happens to the 120,000 odd Turkish Cypriots sandwiched in the middle?

Will they be swallowed up by Turkey into fully fledged Turkish Nationals and withdrawn to Turkey? Will most perish in a final Christian crusade to rid of Turkey once and for all from Cyprus? Or will they opt for a European integration in the nick of time and forget any “statehood” aspirations on forbidden Christian soil?

Regards, GR.

PARTICULAR ATTENTION SHOULD BE PAID TO THE FOLLOWING :

A) """"Another option for the RoC would be the hiring of professional armies to assist in conjunction with the National Guard in the removal of the enemy from Cypriot soil such as Blackwater…

B) """Evidently, the RoC does not really have any other option anymore"

C)"""including the ability to strike deep into southern Turkey with ballistic missiles so all southern Turkish naval ports that can be used to provide further reinforcements can be leveled. The Turkish air force can be countered by the newly acquired French Mistral S2A technology (this is actually the world’s finest S2A)…

Now Eliko do please point me to where GR states that War is only an option , a last resort or one of the options.
As for striking deep into Southern Turkey , let laugh !!!